JLM: What Do We Know About Him? - #3

[ThinkHard]

Here is another site organized by victims of sexual assault at UVA

http://uvasexualassaultcoalition.wordpress.com/

 

[ThinkHard]

This will only make sense if you have taken some time to read some of the links I posted.....

but I think with its history...UVA is entirely capable of forcing victims to downplay their assault, agree to settle in civil court or drop the charges entirely, and never speak of it again. I also think they are capable of "covering their tracks". And I think they have enough people, power, and money in their back pockets to have things "taken care of."

And I seriously wonder....if this ambivalence to sexual violence that seems to be a reoccurring theme for UVA...and perhaps Cville ( http://www.readthehook.com/102589/county-cop-arrested-rape-charges-media-blocked )....might have not only "influenced" the severity with which JM viewed many of his actions toward women, but might have very well "enabled" him.

 

[ksj3]

This will only make sense if you have taken some time to read some of the links I posted.....

but I think with its history...UVA is entirely capable of forcing victims to downplay their assault, agree to settle in civil court or drop the charges entirely, and never speak of it again. I also think they are capable of "covering their tracks". And I think they have enough people, power, and money in their back pockets to have things "taken care of."

And I seriously wonder....if this ambivalence to sexual violence that seems to be a reoccurring theme for UVA...and perhaps Cville ( http://www.readthehook.com/102589/county-cop-arrested-rape-charges-media-blocked )....might have not only "influenced" the severity with which JM viewed many of his actions toward women, but might have very well "enabled" him.

(Afterthought - this may well be OT, but perhaps not if we're discussing how communities handle sexual assault and how it allows perps to minimize their own actions._

Unfortunately, it's not just UVA and it's probably not just Virginia. Look at JM's own record, with LU and CNU.

James Madison University in Harrisonburg just had this case:

"Butters claims three Sigma Chi Fraternity brothers pulled off her bathing suit top during a spring break trip to Florida last year. She said the men used cell phones to record the incident and then passed the recording around to others.

Butters said her case went before the university’s judicial panel, which opted for “expulsion after graduation,” which means the three will be banned from campus after they graduate, according to WHSV.

She said two of the men graduated in May, but that the other can return in the fall if he so chooses."

Later in the article:
"U Va. and the College of William and Mary are also being investigated by the Department of Education."

BBM. http://wtvr.com/2014/06/19/sarah-butters-says-jmu-sex-assault-case-mishandled/

Here is JMU's crime statistics in recent years: http://www.jmu.edu/pubsafety/crimestatistics.shtml

ETA: If this link works, here are UVA's crime statistics: http://ope.ed.gov/security/InstDeta...4743d31312f332f3230313420333a31383a313220504d

 

[ILOKAL]

This will only make sense if you have taken some time to read some of the links I posted.....

but I think with its history...UVA is entirely capable of forcing victims to downplay their assault, agree to settle in civil court or drop the charges entirely, and never speak of it again. I also think they are capable of "covering their tracks". And I think they have enough people, power, and money in their back pockets to have things "taken care of."

And I seriously wonder....if this ambivalence to sexual violence that seems to be a reoccurring theme for UVA...and perhaps Cville ( http://www.readthehook.com/102589/county-cop-arrested-rape-charges-media-blocked )....might have not only "influenced" the severity with which JM viewed many of his actions toward women, but might have very well "enabled" him.

. . . .agree to settle in civil court. . . . Against who? JLM (or any perp) or UVA?

 

[human]

Great question. Thank you

They had both Fairfax and N Washington so it appears there was no familial match..

Is NW really a rellie or is it rumor?

 

[EmmaRose]

The way that UVA and other colleges handle rape/sexual assault cases is outrageous. It should be law that administrators must inform LE of the crime (not university police). If administrators do not report it, they should be charged with concealing a crime.

 

[ThinkHard]

(Afterthought - this may well be OT, but perhaps not if we're discussing how communities handle sexual assault and how it allows perps to minimize their own actions._

Unfortunately, it's not just UVA and it's probably not just Virginia. Look at JM's own record, with LU and CNU.

James Madison University in Harrisonburg just had this case:

"Butters claims three Sigma Chi Fraternity brothers pulled off her bathing suit top during a spring break trip to Florida last year. She said the men used cell phones to record the incident and then passed the recording around to others.

Butters said her case went before the university’s judicial panel, which opted for “expulsion after graduation,” which means the three will be banned from campus after they graduate, according to WHSV.

She said two of the men graduated in May, but that the other can return in the fall if he so chooses."

Later in the article:
"U Va. and the College of William and Mary are also being investigated by the Department of Education."

BBM. http://wtvr.com/2014/06/19/sarah-butters-says-jmu-sex-assault-case-mishandled/

Here is JMU's crime statistics in recent years: http://www.jmu.edu/pubsafety/crimestatistics.shtml

ETA: If this link works, here are UVA's crime statistics: http://ope.ed.gov/security/InstDeta...4743d31312f332f3230313420333a31383a313220504d

I agree, I actually think this is a huge problem nation wide! And a really big deal....when these guys are in college, rather then being stopped in their tracks and having the crime taken seriously, they are told, "well you didn't mean too" or "no big deal".

At the campus level we need to treat these crimes for what they are, crimes!

When we allow this behavior to happen at the college level and treat it as "drunken mistakes"....we fail at "saving the next girl"

ETA: for precisely the very reason, that this practice is all too common on campuses across the country, is why I'm just saying "I wouldn't put it past them". If they cover for their male students, would they cover for a male employee?

IF UVA had indeed "covered up" three sexual assault charges against a man who later murdered one of THEIR student......I don't think it would look very good! NOT at all! And I think they'd do anything to keep it under wraps.

There is enough in their history to at least make you wonder.

 

[Rolo]

Ok so I came across something the other day, something I hadn't noticed before...I was looking at the the Civil Cases related to Jesse Matthew, originally posted by generalissimo (thank you, thank you!), in the timeline thread #9

He has three court appearances for "Garnishments (Wages)" and five for "Warrant in Debt" - I'm no lawyer so I did research on " Warrant in Debt" and basically its a fancy way of saying being sued for money the the plaintiff feels is owed.

Personally I have never been sued, and I can't think of too many people I know who have been sued...let alone sued EIGHT times btw Aug of 2009 and Jan of 2014....EIGHT times in only FIVE years! Does that strike anyone as odd?

Ok for now I am just going to focus on the five "Warrant in Debt" suits, they are as follows


*Civil Cases Against Jesse Matthew which involved "Warrant in Debt" (aka being sued):

- Aug 19, 2008: Warrant in Debt - ($894.29) - Plaintiff- UVA Health Services Foundation

- June 23, 2009: Warrant in Debt - ($2,293.20) - Plaintiff - Martha Jefferson Hospital

- Jan 12, 2012: Warrant in Debt - ($1,968.80) - Plaintiff - The University of Virginia

- Oct 18, 2012: Warrant in Debt - ($3,027.73) - Plaintiff - The University of Virginia

- April 16, 2013: Warrant in Debt - ($1,550) - Plaintiff - The University of Virginia


Did you guys notice the Plaintiffs?

Why oh why was big powerful UVA suing a little local like JM? Repeatedly?

Why was he still employed within their system up to the very day the charges where filed in the HG case?

What can you possibly think of, that is hard to "prove" in criminal courts, but some monetary restitution may be had in civil court?

Is it possible, those suits are sexual assault allegations against JM? Ones in which UVA helped the victim "settle" in civil court for "medical expenses".

Interesting the other two Plaintiffs, UVA Health Services Foundation and Martha Jefferson Hospital are also part of UVA.

Oh my god, if that where true...I think I'm going to be sick!

I'm wondering if any of those charges, especially the 2009 one from MJ Hospital could have been related to the assault & battery charges that were dropped on the condition that JM pay for the victim's medical expenses. The victim could have gone to MJ Hospital for care. Just a thought...

 

[ThinkHard]

I'm wondering if any of those charges, especially the 2009 one from MJ Hospital could have been related to the assault & battery charges that were dropped on the condition that JM pay for the victim's medical expenses. The victim could have gone to MJ Hospital for care. Just a thought...

Great thought!

I wonder where they where when that whole incident occurred? I noticed MJH is over on the west side of town by Pantops....that side of Cville borders keswick, and Keswick is where he is listed to have lived in some of those cases.

 

[4 Free Speech]

I really encourage everyone to click on this link and spend a few minutes reading through this page:

http://www.uvavictimsofrape.com/Why.htm

Its one mothers account of dealing with UVA when her daughter was assaulted. And she touches on a lot of really interesting things. Its worth a look.

I think it might give you guys another lens, with which to view these charges.

Granted we can't prove what exactly these civil suits stemmed from....but it might give you "reasonable doubt" to be slightly more suspicious of how he acquired them.

You need to look into UVA and rape and mishandling....its a big problem, that's been blasted by media. So I'm not spouting gossip or rumors...I've already linked 3 things...and there is plenty more.

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/UVa-Releases-Crime-Data-for-2013-277786942.html

The University of Virginia has released its crime data for 2013. These numbers are based on what was reported directly to the University Police. This information was released on October 1st.

According to UVA, there were 15 rapes and fondlings reported to police.
All of these incidences happened on Grounds, and five happened in dorms/ residence halls.
There were 3 aggravated assaults reported to police, only one was reported off Grounds.
58 burglaries were reported, 11 in residential halls and one reported off Grounds.

After reading several articles it appears that UVA hides under a Secret Society Veil and FERPA.

One rape victim was told not to "go public" unless something worse would happen to her.

http://www.readthehook.com/95992/cover-how-uva-turns-its-back-rape

Google "the hook Annie Hylton how UVA turns it's back on rape". . Notice the mention of the UVA "honor code of silence".

 

[ThinkHard]

Here is a scenario I can imagine..

First Rolo mentioned the criminal misdemeanor charges against JM. The event occurred on June 4, 2009 per court records (see timeline)....he was sued just a few weeks later on June 23, 2009. .... So that makes total sense.

I'm most suspicious though of the three suits filed by UVA...

Here is one scenario I've considered.......If a charge was filed against JM that happened on campus, it would have been filed within the UVA police not Cville pd.......meaning a hearing would have happened internally.....and likely settled there. But if in the "settlement" JM were to owe money....he could very well walk away and never pay it......BUT if UVA takes him to civil court and files charges for unpaid medical bills in his name....then file suit to garnish his wages.....then they get paid. All the while looking just like a harmless civil suit. .... Just a thought.

 

[4 Free Speech]

Thank you thinkhard for all of your work! I read this article on another thread, it appears he also worked for UVA. Apparently the arrest was kept pretty quiet.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/e...cle_57451c27-4d08-5559-a4ee-2751f1a40c14.html

Posted: Friday, January 6, 2012

A former school resource officer and current reserve deputy with the Albemarle County Sheriff’s Office was arrested on a rape charge Thursday night, according to the Albemarle County Police Department.
Sean M. Horn, who had been employed by both the Albemarle County police and the University of Virginia Police Department, was granted a $5,000 secured bond during a closed hearing Friday in the county’s Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court, said assistant county commonwealth’s attorney Darby Lowe.

 

[4 Free Speech]

....and never once has a male been expelled from UVA on the grounds of sexual assault.

Fraternal Orders?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_societies_at_the_University_of_Virginia

Secret societies have been a part of University of Virginia student life since the first class of students in 1825. While the number of societies peaked during the 75 year period between 1875 and 1950, there are still five societies (Seven Society, Z Society, IMP Society, Eli Banana, T.I.L.K.A.) active that are over 100 years old, and several newer societies (the Purple Shadows, the A.N.G.E.L.S. Society, The 21 Society, P.U.M.P.K.I.N., the Sons and Daughters of Liberty). The earliest societies, Eli and Tilka, functioned as social clubs; the Zs, IMPs, Sevens and have built a record of philanthropy and contribution to the University; and some of the later societies have focused on recognition or disapprobation of positive and negative contributions to the University.

 

[Just K]

I wish we could do this for NY, DC, PA, & MD since he was known to spend time there. I am especially interested in placing him in NY on certain dates. I also wonder if the cab was used to transpost drugs from NY. JM has so many traffic violations in VA, I would bet a cup of coffee that there are more in states he visited. I am willing to start researching NY if someone can pont me in the right direction. Thanks. MOO

I have found nothing for him in DC, MD, NJ or NY. I found JLM SR in NC but not JLM Jr.
have not checked PA yet.

 

[4 Free Speech]

Very interesting.

I have trouble though imagining JM as part of a secret society as waspy as the skulls and bones?
(You know that whole decents of plantation owners, mixing with the decents of their slaves, in a highly secretized club that need around for over a decade)

Any theories along this line? Even if it sounds crazy....

Skull and Bones = Symbolism of Free Masonry

9.13 Samantha Clarke Missing
9.13 Hannah Graham Missing
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/13_33_freemason_sig.htm

Skull and Bones = Masonic = Rituals - Media reports it directly and "skull and bones" found. Verbiage Exact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_crossbones_(fraternities_and_sports)

UVA Secret 7 Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Society

David Bass VA - Registered Mason "you can find it on google" .pdf document
"Lodge Blood Coordinator, Bro. David Bass" - on the pdf document below
http://www.tuckahoelodge347.org/lodg...estleboard.pdf

Ribbons at Football Games = Masonic Symbol = Upside down V (see symbolism)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_ritual_and_symbolism

Anchorage Farm = David Bass - body of MH found on his property
http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case
http://www.wafb.com/story/13901965/morgans-parents-to-visit-crime-scene-tuesday

MH was found "skull and bones"
HG was found "skull and bones"
http://news.sky.com/story/1356602/ha...nd-bones-found
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...und/ar-BBaaYB1

7 mile sleepover when Morgan was Dead on Bass's Anchorage Farm
"google 7 mile sleepover anchorage farm"

7 Secret Societies UVA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_societies_at_the_University_of_Virginia

Reposted with links for clarity.

 

[Meemaw12]

Not sure where to put this but I listened and found it worthwhile

@coybarefoot: LATEST. http://t.co/7FWWdG4cMQ #HannahGraham

 

[4 Free Speech]

I may be wrong, but I am not reading nearly as much into all the 'skull and bones' descriptions of remains as many of you are. I don't see JLM as part of any secret society, and doubt he has ever heard of any of them. I don't think there was any great ritual done beyond just murdering and dumping, and I believe nature created the skull and bones. I think when you see decomposed remains, a skull is very obviously a skull, unless it has been bludgeoned badly, and what is left is pretty much bones. I think the average person would describe such remains as a skull and bones. JMO

Symbolism. Plain site.

 

[SteveP]

Symbolism. Plain site.

Yes, I get the symbolism, but I am not sure he does. I really just think he dumps them when he has done his evil. In one breath we seem to think he is two IQ points above Cro-Magnon man, and in the next breath we think he is a member of, or has studied some secret occult society. I just don't see it, though I respect those that see it differently.

 

[Montjoy]

What on earth does any of this secret society/skull and bones stuff have to do with this thread topic -- "JLM -- what do we know about him?" Since none of it has anything to do with what is known about him, I'm thinking that there has to be some other thread for it. This thread is supposed to be about information that is known, not about totally groundless conjecture. It seems like this thread has been hijacked for someone's pet theory.

 

[FindHG]

David Bass had been chairman of the zoning board for a long time. Some African Americans have had land lost in the flood of the Rivanna River land to make the reservoir, and others were not allowed to develop their land on Shackelford mountain near Anchorage Farm, so lost money. Some of the historic AA downtown buildings n Vinegar were take over to form the downtown mall. There have been hard feelings over all this on top of the slavery issue in and around Charlottesville. JM's use of George Carr when he was apprehended brings all these grievances to mind, to the forefront and possibly reveals a reason MH was left at Anchorage Farm.

JMO

That's interesting. I can't imagine all the time he spent at bars that he never shared gripes with people. That may come out eventually.