Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #26 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[neesaki]

Oh that mimeograph stuff smelled sooooo good!

Are you referring to that pretty purplish blue colored ink? I loved how that smelled too. Wow, that really was a long time ago.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I think the CDC's numbers are WRONG! Who did they survey?! Nobody I know!
LOL!

You aren't a heaux!

Like someone said earlier.....being a heaux correlates to how much you are hated by other women! :seeya:

Aeux neaux! Deauxn't haight a heaux!

Sorry. Mardi Gras.

Must eat more nasty King Cake.

:innocent:

 

[FrayedKnot]

Mrs. Knot, If you were in Austin right now I'd have you meet me at the Salt Lick tomorrow for story time!!!! This post is awesome!

Hellz yeah! I'd pop open a Shiner with you any time!

I think we'll be there in a few weeks.....depends on school schedule. I'm buying!

 

[Karmady]

Aeux neaux! Deauxn't haight a heaux!

Sorry. Mardi Gras.

Must eat more nasty King Cake.

:innocent:

Not nasty! My bff is from NOLA and we order a King Cake in every year. LURVE it.

 

[Sleuth13]

Hellz yeah! I'd pop open a Shiner with you any time!

I think we'll be there in a few weeks.....depends on school schedule. I'm buying!

I'm drinking!!

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I have to say I really don't get the "justice needs to be served in this case" mentality. There are hundreds of cold blooded murders committed all over the country every day for no reason at all - drugs, shoes, gang ties, etc. NONE of them get the attention this case and similar get. She's no better or worse than any of those murderers in any real way but that her case is "smexy" and she's not necessarily a person we would expect to do this type of crime. She's an aberration and the real problem with murder in America lies extremely elsewhere, imo.

If you don't feel "justice needs to be served" also, then why are you here? This case has obviously gotten your attention too. I don't consider her case "smexy" at all. I consider her crime heinous, cruel, and worthy of the DP. BBM - please explain what you mean by that statement I don't understand?

 

[writer7]

BBM: I've been saying she's a BPD right from the get-go; however I do respect my friends here that say she's a psychopath. Hopefully, the Psychologist will shed some light on this. Either diagnosis still makes her fit to stand trial.

Absolutely, Mz Honey and Minor4th, I think she's co-morbid with both. I haven't mentioned my thoughts on the BPD part because I think it was her psychopathy that did Travis in But the reason for her being a stalker, especially, seems very related to BPD with her. She's a lot like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction to me, which is a bit odd that it works out that way (like a movie).

All this is just MHO. I am a victim of a psycopath, have a sister with BPD and a BA in psychology, so it's certainly a subject that interests me ! I'm not nearly an expert, though, except maybe on that one friend (enemy ) of mine in particular. I knew that one as close friends for years and years.

My sister and I are not close (I can't handle the extremes of BPD when she gets mean, and she thinks that's horrible of me). Maybe one day

 

[bodyfx]

I have a quick question. How long into the relationship was it that Jodi felt she was being abused physically and mentally, and if it was with in the first month why oh why would she keep stalking him and calling him.

SHE DIDN'T state she felt abused while she was in her own world of made up stories.
(story #1 -"I wasn't there"
after LE found proof she was there...
story #2 - "ok yes I was there but I didn't do it, it was 2 people - a man and a woman dressed like Ninjas"
After LE said there was proof she was the only one in that room besides TA she concocted
story #3 "Yes, I did kill him but it was in self defense. he was going to kill me for dropping camera" It wasn't until she got caught that she had to come up with YET ANOTHER STORY and all she had left was "self defense" "I was
abused by him. He was a sexual deviant". :boohoo:

ARIAS MAKES ME PHYSICALLY ILL!!!!!:yuck::yuck::yuck:

I can't bring myself to listen to her BS! I will tune in again when Juan get's his day in court for Travis and puts this b*tch in her place!!!!

uke:uke:uke:

As for the last part of your question - you will only know the answer if you are as MENTALLY ILL as she is. Meaning, we can't possibly figure out her 'mind' because we don't life in her f*cked up head. Don't try to figure a mental case out, it will drive you mental. LOL!

 

[lil_buddy]

My sister and I are not close (I can't handle the extremes of BPD when she gets mean, and she thinks that's horrible of me). Maybe one day

Let me guess a direct quote: "Yeah I know that was mean, but why can't you just get over it?"

 

[Karmady]

If you don't feel "justice needs to be served" also, then why are you here? This case has obviously gotten your attention too. I don't consider her crime "smexy" at all. I consider her crime heinous, cruel, and worthy of the DP. BBM - please explain what you mean by that statement I don't understand?

Because it's local, smexy and all over the media? There are hundreds of flat out murder cases with no question of intent or defense in the PHX also, and they get ZERO attention. Yet the perps are, imo, far more likely to offend again.

Maybe I'm not sure what your question is. If there was a forum for convicting random PHX thugs to the DP I guess I'd be all over that. But there's no such forum.

 

[lil_buddy]

So did anyone get a chance to see that Wives with Knives?
luv?

 

[txbluesman]

NURMI: So I would like to ask you another question so that you can- so to speak - answer what it is that you meant at that point where you – sort of – came into contact with that particular individual who at this point in time was entering your lifestyle which I guess we could possibly characterize as – so to speak –carefree and that you at the same time were – for want of a better phrase- desirous to reciprocate something that I suppose one could with a certain amount of effort consider enthusiasm?

ARIAS: Yes. I noticed this particular individual that most people might consider to be someone of the male persuasion who tended to walk in a direction that turned out to be in the proximity of myself. At that point of time I thought to myself that I could actually see myself sauntering into an area that would in my opinion juxtapose myself with this particular individual. This person came to be known by myself as “Bobby”. I remember that at this point in time I managed to come to speech and said “Hi”. And then this person whose name I recall was “Bobby” looked up with intense brown eyes and with a tiny smirk mouthed the perfectly distinct words that resonated with my spirituality such that it was during the period of time and these words were to be best of my recollection were, I think “well hello yourself”. After Bobby uttered this phrase to me I could not help but notice that he might have been experiencing a strong physiological reaction.

NURMI: OK. Let’s back up a little bit. And so what we would like to get to understand based on your answer is the meaning of this term that you used in describing an interaction between yourself and this individual that seems to have accosted you with the words you have described as “well hello” or something to that effect and this phrase “strong physiological reaction”

Arias: Hmmm The effect was in my mind something that resembled an erection of the male genitalia. But since the angle of visualization of that region where male genitalia are frequently situated was not perfectly optimal so as to allow my eye to pinpoint so to speak the precise nature of this increase bulk located in the crotch region of Bobby's deep blue neatly pressed denim pants that had the label “WRANGLER” on its back.

OH, we gotta' keep this alive. This is just too much. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Because it's local, smexy and all over the media? There are hundreds of flat out murder cases with no question of intent or defense in the PHX also, and they get ZERO attention. Yet the perps are, imo, far more likely to offend again.

Maybe I'm not sure what your question is. If there was a forum for convicting random PHX thugs to the DP I guess I'd be all over that. But there's no such forum.

This quote from your post "and the real problem with murder in America lies extremely elsewhere, imo". What did you mean by that? That is my question.

 

[Sleuth13]

So did anyone get a chance to see that Wives with Knives?
luv?

I did and wow!! I didn't like her at all! What a lying creepy mccreeperson!!! Lots of similarities btwn her & JA though (i.e. email hacking) but IMO JA's childhood was no where near as bad so i still can't figure out what makes her tick.

 

[bodyfx]

NURMI: So I would like to ask you another question so that you can- so to speak - answer what it is that you meant at that point where you – sort of – came into contact with that particular individual who at this point in time was entering your lifestyle which I guess we could possibly characterize as – so to speak –carefree and that you at the same time were – for want of a better phrase- desirous to reciprocate something that I suppose one could with a certain amount of effort consider enthusiasm?

ARIAS: Yes. I noticed this particular individual that most people might consider to be someone of the male persuasion who tended to walk in a direction that turned out to be in the proximity of myself. At that point of time I thought to myself that I could actually see myself sauntering into an area that would in my opinion juxtapose myself with this particular individual. This person came to be known by myself as “Bobby”. I remember that at this point in time I managed to come to speech and said “Hi”. And then this person whose name I recall was “Bobby” looked up with intense brown eyes and with a tiny smirk mouthed the perfectly distinct words that resonated with my spirituality such that it was during the period of time and these words were to be best of my recollection were, I think “well hello yourself”. After Bobby uttered this phrase to me I could not help but notice that he might have been experiencing a strong physiological reaction.

NURMI: OK. Let’s back up a little bit. And so what we would like to get to understand based on your answer is the meaning of this term that you used in describing an interaction between yourself and this individual that seems to have accosted you with the words you have described as “well hello” or something to that effect and this phrase “strong physiological reaction”

Arias: Hmmm The effect was in my mind something that resembled an erection of the male genitalia. But since the angle of visualization of that region where male genitalia are frequently situated was not perfectly optimal so as to allow my eye to pinpoint so to speak the precise nature of this increase bulk located in the crotch region of Bobby's deep blue neatly pressed denim pants that had the label “WRANGLER” on its back.

:floorlaugh:
PERFECT and Priceless! EXACTLY why i cant stomach to listen to her day after day.:banghead:

I can't wait until Juan has his day with her! :rocker:

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I'm not the type to ever label a woman a "" -- for one reason, 'cause I've heard too many stories of philandering from some of my male friends and they can be dogs with a capital "D". Personally, the frequency and level of sex-think that men experience never ceases to amaze me if a woman is brave enough to ask and get an honest man to answer. I feel women are largely naive to this level of thought process that men have---they think about sex a lot. Other reasons I don't like the "" label is that I'm an advocate of women having choices, empowerment, etc. as well as the fact that I don't like to throw rocks at glass houses and heck, I'm no saint! :what:

Anywhoooo---what I do worry about with gals like JA is the way they HAVE to have one guy lined up while they are exiting a relationship with another guy. Those types like JA can never be alone. Being alone is the worst thing because they have no identity of their own (and hence my quasi-dx of BPD). JA was only comfortable when she was "mirroring" what someone else wanted from her or what they expected her to be. Her torture with TA is that he was conflicted in his own sexuality/sexual needs and his Mormon religion so this confused what and how JA should act. Her personality disorder is such that it is like playdoo---always shape-shifting. JA felt that she more than exceeded his expectations both as a good girl "Polyanna" and as a "" too. What more could Travis ask for? But Travis decided he wanted to pursue simply a good girl which enraged JA to the point of no return. Did she threaten suicide like BPD's do? Perhaps more will come out about that in further testimony.

TA was getting to the point of finally abandoning JA which she could not stand. She had become the proverbial lady in public and the wh*re in the bedroom for him. She knew she was good at "mirroring" what someone wanted from her---she felt she had perfected that skill a while ago. If she picked up what Travis wanted incorrectly, what does she have left for talent, really? I'm sure this shook JA to the core. She failed and now she was nothing, and now he was leaving. JA couldn't handle that......and then the rage kicked in........moo.

 

[Anita Richman]

No! But there was no proof that Mrs. Gore attacked her killer with an ax to start that whole scenario, either. There was proof that the two fought over the ax, but that could have been defensive on Mrs. Gore's part instead of her killer's. You couldn't tell who started it (imho), so that did leave reasonable doubt on that point (which is scary).

That's where jurors start going 'well, but there was overkill, and she covered it up afterwards!' but the killer's defense attorneys were able to convince the jury that her psychology made her freak out when attacked and in the aftermath she was too ashamed and traumatized to go to the police.

Fortunately, I think JA did show enough premeditation, combined with and a history of stalking with other boyfriends and Travis, that the jury will have to see that it was no attack on JA.

The lying in interviews happened in Mrs. Gore's case, too, though! It was still considered self defense within a reasonable doubt. The jury did not throw out the killer's story of the fight even though she was definitely lying to cops and everyone else about being the one who did it in the early days of the investigation.

I saw this on one of the crime shows. Didn't the victim's sunglasses fly off her head during the attack and land on the ground, broken, in an area where the attack supposedly ended, not where it started? (Or something like that.)

Shortly after the murder, Candy (the killer) offered to help Alan (the spouse of the victim, with whom she had previously had an affair) to care for his baby child who was left motherless. That just gives me chills!

 

[lil_buddy]

OH, we gotta' keep this alive. This is just too much. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

NURMI: So I would like to ask you another question so that you can- so to speak - answer what it is that you meant at that point where you – sort of – came into contact with that particular individual who at this point in time was entering your lifestyle which I guess we could possibly characterize as – so to speak –carefree and that you at the same time were – for want of a better phrase- desirous to reciprocate something that I suppose one could with a certain amount of effort consider enthusiasm?

ARIAS: Yes. I noticed this particular individual that most people might consider to be someone of the male persuasion who tended to walk in a direction that turned out to be in the proximity of myself. At that point of time I thought to myself that I could actually see myself sauntering into an area that would in my opinion juxtapose myself with this particular individual. This person came to be known by myself as “Bobby”. I remember that at this point in time I managed to come to speech and said “Hi”. And then this person whose name I recall was “Bobby” looked up with intense brown eyes and with a tiny smirk mouthed the perfectly distinct words that resonated with my spirituality such that it was during the period of time and these words were to be best of my recollection were, I think “well hello yourself”. After Bobby uttered this phrase to me I could not help but notice that he might have been experiencing a strong physiological reaction.

NURMI: OK. Let’s back up a little bit. And so what we would like to get to understand based on your answer is the meaning of this term that you used in describing an interaction between yourself and this individual that seems to have accosted you with the words you have described as “well hello” or something to that effect and this phrase “strong physiological reaction”

Arias: Hmmm The effect was in my mind something that resembled an erection of the male genitalia. But since the angle of visualization of that region where male genitalia are frequently situated was not perfectly optimal so as to allow my eye to pinpoint so to speak the precise nature of this increase bulk located in the crotch region of Bobby's deep blue neatly pressed denim pants that had the label “WRANGLER” on its back.

What I love about zeno's post is the way it captures how JA is trying to speak like lawyers - like how she sees them talk on TV.
It's so pathetic.

 

[Karmady]

This quote from your post "and the real problem with murder in America lies extremely elsewhere, imo". What did you mean by that? That is my question.

Most murder in the US is not by random white or Hispanic females directed to their sexual partners. I thought I was clear in my op. MOST homicides are not committed by women, regardless of their ethnicity, but are committed by males and are related to gang activity or other violent crime such as robbery, assault, etc.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Guess it's time to toodle off to bed. G'nite folks, see ya tomorrow. fftobed:.