Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #27 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[katiecoolady]

I viewed the autopsy and crime scene photos yesterday and studied the timeline of events during the murder and that really woke me up to the brutality and cruelty of this crime. A lot of the police questioning is interesting in how much she lets slip of what really happened when she was pretending to be a mere witness to what occurred.

The neck injury alone is enough for me to want to see her get the DP in this case and I'm not even in favour of it! But legally I believe she has earned it in spades and legal justice demands it.

RIP Travis .. I am impressed that his family has kept it together during the trial it's heartbreaking to see them listening to the evidence and now have to sit through his name being dragged through the mud.

This is why I think they will sentence her to death.

1. I believe they will convict her.

2. Martinez will clearly define the criteria for the DP to the jury, who are all death qualified. Meaning they've been pre screened that they believe in the DP and can impose it. It will be spelled out very clearly and methodically to them. Meaning "if you find ________ then you are deciding it meets the criteria and must sentence her to death". It's a pretty objective formula. It does not take in to their consideration their "feelings". It's a very methodical process.

They can "live with themselves" because a. they believe in the DP and b. it will be abundantly clear that this crime fits the criteria for that sentence ...criteria they didn't create but it is their duty to follow.

It's just not all that subjective for jurors. It's pretty black and white at that stage.

 

[bobloblaw]

Have only been watching this one off and on so forgive me if I'm a bit behind you guys on things, but a few things are eating me up!

1. If the gender roles were reversed here and she had been murdered by her stalker after an afternoon of sex in such a brutal manner I think the police and public would have been a lot harsher from the start, I doubt if the stories about 'sexual deviancy' would have made it to a courtroom, and there would be much less airing of her excuses for killing him. I mean imagine a man doing that with a female after nearly decapitating / shooting, and stabbing her to death. His barrister would be like 'seriously dude, don't say jack about anything she did to pi** you off - you'll go down like a sack of ***** and look like the worst b*stard that ever lived .. DO NOT GO THERE!' Also I can't imagine a judge allowing the same amount of bs dirty laundry to be aired about a female victim the same way it's been allowed about Travis. That is sexism and it is wrong.

2. It doesn't matter if she caught Travis doing any number of sinful acts with any number of women or little boys (not that I believe her) it's still capital murder because she definitely meant to kill him and she kept attacking him in a number by a number of different methods until she was absolutely sure he was dead, so therefore she had time to stop the attack and not continue. Murder 1. So all this poor me, he was bad, he huuuurt me testimony is a waste of everybody's time and not relevant.

3. Oh and Travis hurt you did he Jodi, how is that helpful in this case? As in no kidding, what do you think .. People go around killing people that give them a warm fuzzy inside when they think of them? Hello reality Jodi, people kill from anger. Not a defence either, sorry.

Side note: I think people are having some trouble getting their heads around how brutal she was towards Travis - me included. It's like whoa a woman did this? Unbelievable. And I agree DP, I'll say again if the gender roles were reversed there'd be little debate.

Anyway I think she will get done like a dinner and I'm hoping for DP because I think anything less would be sexist to the victim. The only think that makes me think life would be better is the DP will mean endless appeals and we'll never hear the end of her lies and boring stories about every minute aspect of her dull and ridiculous tale of woe.

Totally agree, thanks for your post!

 

[Bravo]

I too believe we will see a DP Verdict. It does fit the criteria. I do not want to see Jodi with any kind of "social network" in Prison. Death Row and isolated is my wish. And for Travis and Family :rose:

 

[PASA]

Do you know what time it will be on GMT? working time zones out is not my forte.

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It's -5GMT

HTH

 

[lil_buddy]

True. But I think most traumatic things do come up with no warning and blow one's optimism to shreds! It is really hard to believe that sometimes you can't be careful enough or that you wouldn't want to live like that even if you could be that careful. Most people think that they have safeguards that will protect themselves and that the victims didn't

If the jury were 100% woman, I would be more concerned that they'd take their own abuser or rape experiences and put themselves in JA's place. She's so manipulative and awful and never said no that there's not a huge chance of that, but still. I think the guys, particularly, will be imagining themselves in Travis' place and thinking about how little he did wrong.

Maybe I should revise my previous statement...
I see men acting surprised when the women they are involved with do something like physically attack them or falsely accuse them of some horrible misdeed when they KNOW the woman is a crazy b****.

KWIM?

 

[GetSmart]

I hope she ends up in a padded cell!!! She made a comment about not wanting to end up in one so I hope that is EXACTLY where she goes...to sit and talk to no-one but herself until she gets on her own damn nerves!!

Sleuth every time i see your pic of Travis and his BFF i think to myself what saved that little dogs life/

 

[Really?]

Thanks for all the links TigerBalm. I enjoy them when I wake up during the middle of the night.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm disgusted but not surprised that Nurmi decided to go with the pedophile nonsense - after all, it is his professional area of expertise. I wonder if it feels strange to him to be the accuser instead of the defender this time. uke:

I am also disgusted that the judge allowed it in, unless there was indisputable proof that this happened. I think she was influenced by the phone testimony of the DV expert (from what I could see of the minutes). That's another expert who IMO is being seduced by the almighty dollar. I wonder what her peers will think of her testimony. :what:

I have swayed between feeling sorry for Nurmi that he got stuck with defending Jodi, to feeling exactly as you and being disgusted. From what I understand, and please correct me if I am wrong, the judge gives the defense a lot of leeway in Jodi's testimony ONLY because the State is asking to put her to death. I do not believe there has to be any proof as long as the defendant gets up and swears to what she is saying. That's why Juan will have to rip her to shreds.

Even IF we were to believe that TA was a sexual deviant or pedophile or a bad Mormon, Jodi Arias has in NO WAY proven she has been abused and in NO WAY do I believe this was self defense. It is cold, premeditated murder and TA's lifestyle just doesn't matter at this point. Plus, he isn't here to defend himself.

 

[panthera]

I'm not one that's ever comfortable with interpreting photographs. I've stated this from the very beginning,

The more I see and hear Jodi .... The more chilling and disturbing these photos become to me. View attachment 29679

I always believed they were too open to interpretation... Not anymore. They're HAUNTING. I see fear and confusion. .


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That is my belief as well. The last photo of Travis alive, looking directly at the camera, is definitely haunting. It appears he knew at that moment his life would soon be over.



MOO

 

[TigerBalm]

fftopic: But everyone needs a little laugh every now and then.

[video=youtube;en8V2rkBdl8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en8V2rkBdl8[/video]

 

[perfectvirgo]

Is this more photos I missed? TIA

[video=youtube;7F0I_y-f33o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F0I_y-f33o[/video]
This is from Day 6.
Hope you've got a strong stomach! When the seal disappears at 1:33:00, although there is no sound and no court room view, we see JM exhibiting a range of naked photos of both TA and JM. At 1:34:25 there is one JA would probably prefer her friends shouldn't see. There are other unflattering shots and some repetition. Not sure why these were broadcast. Maybe it was unintentional.

 

[karengo]

Is this more photos I missed? TIA

One day during a break they aired the unedited photos of Jodi and travis on the live stream.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I speculated the other day that Juan didn't bring in a lot of evidence that he could have because he was deliberately avoiding "opening the door" for the defense for this type of testimony.

Unfortunately, the defense has an expert who is telling the judge that all of this is relevant to her expert opinion, so the judge is allowing all of it.

Now that the defense is going "there", I think the prosecution will have a whole lot more evidence about what a stalker Jodi was and a lot of other information about her lies and manipulations. I am pretty confident Juan has it under control.

Minor 4th,
Regarding the new lies and allegations of the defense, will the judge even allow Juan to bring in evidence that he may have withheld during his CIC? Can he actually bing in new witnesses? Thank you.

 

[cartercar]

5-6 months, I think.

Thanks. It seems like such an over-the-top reaction for a grown woman, even if this were really an "official" going-steady relationship, which I don't believe.

It hardly surprises me the degree to which she will sell out anyone to try and save herself. She thinks she's in control but it's interesting how much of what she says and how many of her mannerisms on the stand tell a very different story than the one coming out of her mouth.

I hope, hope, hope that the jury is watching this with the same eagle eyes we are using from the outside.

 

[Xavier]

The sheer excessive brutality and rage of TA's killing is more than a psychotic episode

29 stab wounds, a gunshot to his head and a his throat cut so deep it's almost to his vertebrae

WOW...it's reminds me of how Nicole Simpson & Ron Goldman died so viciously

She also reminds me of the Sharon Stone character in the movie Basic Instinct..cool as a cucumber, revealing sex specific stuff, a calm demeanor, a psychotic style killing, Sharon Stone did'nt wear panties, maybe Arias is going commando too ..LOL

Arias seems to be a free spirited adventurer, going from a slew of boyfriends each having an exotic religious belief

Has her defense team explained the abusive parts of her relationship? Seems to be her life is hinging on how strong a case they can show for abuse

 

[LambChop]

On Day 15 Jodi is talking about her understanding of the Vowel of Chastity told to her by TA. Then she goes on to say that the young Mormon men felt she was not ready to be baptised because she was still living with Darryl and that it was frowned on by the church that two unmarried people occupy the same house. She said she explained they had separate bedrooms and the men said they would have to ask because even that was not permitted. What part of chastity and not engaging in premarital sex did she not understand? jmo

 

[Nosey Parker]

I have swayed between feeling sorry for Nurmi that he got stuck with defending Jodi, to feeling exactly as you and being disgusted. From what I understand, and please correct me if I am wrong, the judge gives the defense a lot of leeway in Jodi's testimony ONLY because the State is asking to put her to death. I do not believe there has to be any proof as long as the defendant gets up and swears to what she is saying. That's why Juan will have to rip her to shreds.

Even IF we were to believe that TA was a sexual deviant or pedophile or a bad Mormon, Jodi Arias has in NO WAY proven she has been abused and in NO WAY do I believe this was self defense. It is cold, premeditated murder and TA's lifestyle just doesn't matter at this point. Plus, he isn't here to defend himself.

I couldn't agree more and I believe you are correct that plenty of leeway is allowed the defence in a DP case, but IMO the judge is overstepping the mark with this ruling. It is a very serious accusation. It makes one wonder, if it were not allowed in, what would the DV expert have to work with? Nothing! :moo:

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

It's people like Jodi that make me wish I weren't an atheist. I would so like to believe there was a special place waiting for her in hell.


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Mark 9:45

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Hell is real, and Jodi's reservation has been confirmed.

 

[karengo]

On Day 15 Jodi is talking about her understanding of the Vowel of Chastity told to her by TA. Then she goes on to say that the young Mormon men felt she was not ready to be baptised because she was still living with Darryl and that it was frowned on by the church that two unmarried people occupy the same house. She said she explained they had separate bedrooms and the men said they would have to ask because even that was not permitted. What part of chastity and not engaging in premarital sex did she not understand? jmo

I did notice in her testimony KN asked her what she believed it to be and she said (paraphrasing) she understood it to mean no sex. But Travis told her it just means no vaginal.

Here is what confuses me. Didn't she have to read that stuff before she was baptized? We all can verify she has a pretty good grasp on the English language.

So we are to believe its all his fault? He said it so it must be true? She has no responsibility for her actions turns out its all his fault. All of it.

Please!

 

[JusticeJunkie]

On Day 15 Jodi is talking about her understanding of the Vowel of Chastity told to her by TA. Then she goes on to say that the young Mormon men felt she was not ready to be baptised because she was still living with Darryl and that it was frowned on by the church that two unmarried people occupy the same house. She said she explained they had separate bedrooms and the men said they would have to ask because even that was not permitted. What part of chastity and not engaging in premarital sex did she not understand? jmo

Lamb.
She also says somewhere in her testimony that she knows (Morman?) grinding is not allowed.
I'm certain before she was baptized, she was fully informed of the rules by someone other than Travis. Probably the bishop.