Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #28 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Snoods]

There's an aspect of the discussion of a man's size vs. the woman's size and what he "should" be able to do or how he should react which really bothers me.
In many contexts I feel like it's furthering the notion that men can't be victimized by women or should take more responsibility/action against the violence.
I don't necessarily think that most of this is intentional but instead is part of our societal mindset and we have to work to fight this otherwise we're going to continue expecting males to "overcome" violent acts perpetrated against them, which is unfair and absurd. kwim?

Oh my I just perpetuated your post. And you are right it is so easy to stereotype! I guess it is ingrained in our heads from the time we are little of how men and women "should" behave.

 

[Snoods]

There is the WS Lingo Forum too! (if I can post a link properly).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68412

HTH! :seeya:

Thank you so much! That one baffled me.

 

[PASA]

HTH - How the hell? I think...

It means Hope This Helps, I use it a lot. But I like yours better. he he he

 

[paperwing]

Oh heck! I am so addicted to this case - I keep *willing* the calendar to become Monday already (it's giving me no cooperation whatsoever).

Actually I'm not chomping at the bit for more of the JA monotone drone OR having Travis Alexander raked through the worst sort of mud - how painful for his family.

What I'm waiting for with bated breath is Juan Martinez' cross...

I can.not.wait. :great:

Hope the servers here at WS can handle the load when that moment arrives!

anic: ......​

 

[Really?]

It's been established that he was stabbed first then shot, is that correct? So she had him pose in a vulnerable position for pics sitting down, but it has baffled me why she wouldn't shoot him first to try to incapacitate him quickly. I just can't figure out how she was able to overpower him. Do we know where the first stab wound was? I have had the unique experience of having a gun pointed at me. I was walking at night(genius) and a guy tried to pull me under a bridge. Not for a second did I think of doing what he wanted me to do. I fought like a hellcat, broke loose and ran. My back was clenched just waiting to get shot. I made it to the road and a guy picked me up and took me to police. I'm fine, years ago and all that. I guess everyone reacts differently. I believe he thought jodi was capable of murder. Did she have a gun on him and say okay I'm going to stab you now so just sit still. He still would have had time to lunge at her. I'm sorry if this has been answered but it is hard to read every page!
If she didn't take those pictures do you think she would be convicted? The men jurors would be thinking no way could this tiny 3 feet tall (in her chair down on the floor) girl overpower Travis. It would all be circumstantial without the pics.

IMO about Nurmi he detests jodi. He rarely makes eye contact, I've never seen him sit next to her at the defense table and he just mumbles and seems even ashamed. If jodi says all the child stuff happened is he forced to present it to the judge to get it admitted into evidence?

Well, I am in the shot first club. I just don't see her being able to stab him first. But now once she fired what she thought would be a bullet to the brain didn't kill him she ran and got a knife as he was at the sink coughing up blood. MOO

 

[katydid23]

When do we think the cross examination is going to happen? I need to schedule some things next week and I want to leave that time free so I can watch the cross.

Tuesday maybe? Or Wednesday?

 

[KBisMe]

Oh heck! I am so addicted to this case - I keep *willing* the calendar to become Monday already (it's giving me no cooperation whatsoever).

Actually I'm not chomping at the bit for more of the JA monotone drone OR having Travis Alexander raked through the worst sort of mud - how painful for his family.

What I'm waiting for with bated breath is Juan Martinez' cross...

I can.not.wait. :great:

Hope the servers here at WS can handle the load when that moment arrives!

anic: ......​

I work at home and I've already been having a hard time staying focused while having the trial on in the background. I doubt I'll get anything done once cross starts! I'll be checking here to find out when it starts because I can't listen to her emotionless voice drag Travis through the mud anymore. Actually, I'll probably turn it back on when she gets to the relevant stuff the day of the murder. Mostly because I'm curious to hear what story she'll have worked up for it this time.

 

[Really?]

When do we think the cross examination is going to happen? I need to schedule some things next week and I want to leave that time free so I can watch the cross.

Tuesday maybe? Or Wednesday?

I can't answer your question. Only that we are at Valentine's Day 2007 in testmony

 

[paperwing]

Well, I am in the shot first club. I just don't see her being able to stab him first. But now once she fired what she thought would be a bullet to the brain didn't kill him she ran and got a knife as he was at the sink coughing up blood. MOO

I agree that the shot first makes some logistical sense, but the ME's sequence (which he backs up with far more knowledge and data than I'll ever compete with - so I tend to stand by his report...

That said, I don't think the sequence matters nearly as much as some of us seem to think (I could be wrong, of course). I think the deliberately elusive actions of the defendant both prior to and after the crime - as well as the nature of the violent killing regardless of sequence (for instance - the 9 stabs in the back really disturb me:

To my layperson's eye, I do not see how these could have been inflicted so uniformly |distance between, controlled 'composition', similarity of depth, angle, pattern| unless Travis was lying still. 2nd fr'instance, I believe she most likely had to have been behind Travis |yet again|. One look at that horrific wound convinced me of this. I don't think when the shot came matters. Travis was alive for all the knife wounds and slit throat.

Sure I have no proof, and likely never will regardless of what JA may say - her words are worthless without validation from a credible source.

Do you think the sequence will have a demonstrable affect on the verdict? I just don't see it myself... :dunno:

 

[sourgrapes]

And what self defense murder starts with a knife? Reasoning would suggest it would start with a bashing and a knife reached for during the attack which would have meant a trip downstairs... I want to hear how that is explained to the jury. Also if it wasn't a gun in the home has she explained her possession and use of it? Sorry .. Still catching up.

Sorry, this is OT...but, I noticed a link from 'Valhal' in your sig line. I'm also an ATS'r :seeya: Are you the same Avatar name, over there?

 

[Linda From New York]

Just a thought. How do we even know that they EVER had anal sex?

pause.

Only Jodi has ever made such an allegation.

Think about it.

She had anal sex with Darryl Brewer. He was asked by Marintinez and he said they did. So, if the defense is trying to say this was any part of "rough sex", that TA, ahem, forced on her, IMO, it ain't gonna fly!

 

[Linda From New York]

Is everyone ready for another loooooooooong day, tomorrow of the "Jodi Arias Show"??

:hills:

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Don't you find it disgusting that this is even allowed? Travis isn't even here for rebuttal? What kind of justice is that? How on earth to we find ourselves accepting a known liar who has admitted to killing someone trying to justify her actions through testimony that has no one left alive to counter? And to boot, we put it all in the hands of 12 people we know nothing about?

I think the whole legal process needs a complete rehaul.

It may be the perpetual "Pollyanna" in me, but even though I'm sure Martinez fought valiantly to keep this drivel out of the trial, he has had warning for quite a while that this might happen.

I imagine him spending lots of time making a detailed outline of his cross examination, including every possible question he would like to ask along with evidence to firm them up.

Will he ask his questions "scattershot" and aimed at the lies, or will he slowly draw JA into her web of lies and trap her in them?

I have far more than a sneaking suspicion that Det. Flores and his staff are doing a lot of digging into records to help in his quest for justice.

Nurmi may try to ambush him, but Martinez thinks way to far ahead for that.

I always get nervous during the defense case. In this one, I am literally sick to my stomach. But, I have to remember that the prosecution always goes last.

ETA: Any time the jury gets lulled into believing the delicate defendant, one quick flash of an autopsy picture should jolt them back to reality.

 

[LambChop]

No. It's actually quite true that absent the circumstances I mentioned it PROBABLY won't kill you. And that's why I said an able-bodied guy would try to disarm a smaller woman bearing such a weapon rather than allow himself to be taken "hostage."

In any case, I'm assuming travis didn't know the "muzzle velocity" of a .25 either. So he would have made his decision based on the appearance of the gun. Which probably looked like a small water pistol.

He could have taken a gun at her with the gun and she stabbed him in the chest instead with the knife. Who knows? He can't tell us and it is unlikely we will ever get the truth from Jodi. jmo

 

[LambChop]

It may be the perpetual "Pollyanna" in me, but even though I'm sure Martinez fought valiantly to keep this drivel out of the trial, he has had warning for quite a while that this might happen.

I imagine him spending lots of time making a detailed outline of his cross examination, including every possible question he would like to ask along with evidence to firm them up.

Will he ask his questions "scattershot" and aimed at the lies, or will he slowly draw JA into her web of lies and trap her in them?

I have far more than a sneaking suspicion that Det. Flores and his staff are doing a lot of digging into records to help in his quest for justice.

Nurmi may try to ambush him, but Martinez thinks way to far ahead for that.

I always get nervous during the defense case. In this one, I am literally sick to my stomach. But, I have to remember that the prosecution always goes last.

ETA: Any time the jury gets lulled into believing the delicate defendant, one quick flash of an autopsy picture should jolt them back to reality.

What struck me was that more than once JM had to advise Nurmi on how to ask the defendant the question after JM's objection. Tells me Nurmi may not do many trials. jmo

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Doubt it. Go look at a pic of a .25 of you don't already know what one looks like. It's like a toy and practically is. If it's not held directly to your temple or the base of your skull (which it wasn't in this case) it probably won't kill you and is most definitely worth the chance of trying to knock it out of the perps hands.

I'm not commenting on the whole debate you guys are having because it is speculation and doesn't matter BUT I did want to point out one thing, in this case TA was shot with a .25 and the ME testified that that wound was fatal and would have killed him on it's own.

 

[popsicle]

Wives with Knives ID at 1000 today.

After a string of bad relationships a woman stabs her lover during a fight and ends up in jail.

Hmm sounds eerily familiar to this case.

 

[Really?]

I agree that the shot first makes some logistical sense, but the ME's sequence (which he backs up with far more knowledge and data than I'll ever compete with - so I tend to stand by his report...

That said, I don't think the sequence matters nearly as much as some of us seem to think (I could be wrong, of course). I think the deliberately elusive actions of the defendant both prior to and after the crime - as well as the nature of the violent killing regardless of sequence (for instance - the 9 stabs in the back really disturb me:

To my layperson's eye, I do not see how these could have been inflicted so uniformly |distance between, controlled 'composition', similarity of depth, angle, pattern| unless Travis was lying still. 2nd fr'instance, I believe she most likely had to have been behind Travis |yet again|. One look at that horrific wound convinced me of this. I don't think when the shot came matters. Travis was alive for all the knife wounds and slit throat.

Sure I have no proof, and likely never will regardless of what JA may say - her words are worthless without validation from a credible source.

Do you think the sequence will have a demonstrable affect on the verdict? I just don't see it myself... :dunno:

No, I don't think the sequence will or should matter one bit.

 

[iSleuth]

I forget where I read about the blood splatters, maybe in the Detectives report. Don't have the link sorry.

http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/floresinvestigationreport.pdf

 

[Puzzler]

I was reading one of JA's ex boyfriends was really into Wiccan /Satanic Witchcraft religion and they dated for about 2 years

This cult/belief is centered on many rituals, like orgies, all kinds of kinky sex, anal sex, slashing with a knife for blood letting to release one's powers, etc

What's really bizarre, these cultists use the white/black handled knives to blood let their cult members, where they make long , deep slashes on member's body, arms, backs, etc

In the earlier post, someone posted grisly photos of the numerous stabbings on his back. Travis had long, deep stabbing slashes on his back and I'm thinking there has to be a connection to JA learning this technique, almost like a ritual

JA obviously has some fascination with religion/beliefs

http://www.av1611.org/tattoos/blood.html

I don't know where this source is getting their information, but as a person who has had over thirty years of personal experience with Wiccans, I can attest that this is wildly inaccurate and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Wicca and Satanism are different things altogether, and Wiccans take seriously their creed that calls for them to "harm none." (See Wiccan Rede - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for more.)

Just saying, and no offense intended. :seeya: