Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[fran]

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[thefragile7393]

:waitasec: 2 hours = 1 question for Nurmi (or so it seems)

"And now lets go back to the summer of 2001 when you were whacked on the head with a wooden spoon for having only two ice cubes in your tea instead of three. How did it make you feel?"

 

[panthera]

The jury will be able to understand that. It isnt complex. There was no blood on the top of the casing resting in the pool of blood. It ejected.....landed on the sticky blood and stayed there.

If it had rolled there would be blood specks found on the entire casing but the top was clean as a whistle.

IMO

Agree. And that, in my opinion, determines the sequence of events. In the grand scheme, however, I don't believe it will make any difference. Stabbing someone in the back multiple times as they are attempting to escape, and slitting their throat completely negates any form of "self-defense".

MOO

 

[fabvab]

Its a semi-automatic. It ejects when fired. I use to have a .25 caliber.

IMO

Isn't a .25 caliber kind of like a Barbie's gun in today's world?

*Not being rude or anything about you owning one. My hubby has one.

 

[JaimeInLA]

is this PPL legit? I mean... does anyone actually know anyone who pays for that? Also I wonder if Jodi had it...and if so... if they are footing the bill for this?

Unfortunately, I'm kind of an expert in this, if only because my abusive, disgusting, con-man, fake preacher of a Step Dad sells it and I NEVER hear the freaking end of him trying to sell it to me and everyone I know. It is your typical multilevel marketing scheme. It does provide free legal services for those who subscribe. But the lawyers they provide you are not the best lawyers (obviously, if they need to be part of the PPL network!). And the point of the whole thing is to recruit more people to SELL it, to make more $$ for the people at the top.

 

[katydid23]

I can see convincing scenarios for both arguments, shot first/knifed first.

But the thing that doesn't make sense to me, is that she could 'scare him' by holding up a knife. I believe he would have overpowered her in that situation. I can see him being scared of a gun being held on him, especially if he were in the shower and taken by surprise. So it still makes the most sense to me that she shot him once, the gun jammed, and he was still capable of moving around and trying to escape, although slowly.

I think the knife came second because she was really angry about the jammed gun and his refusing to drop dead.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Irrespective of what I think happened, I do think the jury is going to go with the ME's conclusion because that is the only evidence they have. And they have not spent months discussing this issue with a bunch of other non-involved sleuthers. :lol: There's really no reason for them to question the ME, and in the end, even if they do they have plenty of evidence of the aggravating circumstance of cruelty - so I doubt they'll spend a whole lot of time deliberating about this issue.

I think so too. I imagine a lot of the men are hunters. This is Arizona where they hunt. So the bullet casing landing on a pool of blood will be easy for them to understand which came first.

Dr. Horn's opinion is supported by the evidence, imo.

Now I do think Jodi is going to come right out the gate lying her butt off and say she shot him first because it is evident that she and Nurmi have decided that somehow makes it more humane. Good luck with trying to sell that is all I can say.

I had my hubby look at the bullet casing and immediately he said he was already bleeding when the shot was fired. He is a hunter and has to look for blood trails sometimes when he shoots a deer.

IMO

 

[Zuri]

I think if Travis had been shot in the head first, the shock to the brain would have made him unable to process what was happening. He would not have been able to try and defend himself during the stabbing. The shock to the brain would not have involved only the right frontal lobe because the energy would have spread out (like ripples in water caused by a small pebble dropped in a still pond, or the spreading of an earthquake.

What exactly do you mean by energy?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I can see convincing scenarios for both arguments, shot first/knifed first.

But the thing that doesn't make sense to me, is that she could 'scare him' by holding up a knife. I believe he would have overpowered her in that situation. I can see him being scared of a gun being held on him, especially if he were in the shower and taken by surprise. So it still makes the most sense to me that she shot him once, the gun jammed, and he was still capable of moving around and trying to escape, although slowly.

I think the knife came second because she was really angry about the jammed gun and his refusing to drop dead.

Oh I dont. Frankly I would rather be shot than stabbed to death.

If he rushed her he would be like a sitting duck for her to hack and slice him to death. The only chance he had with a crazy murderer with a 6in blade of a sharp knife is to try and get away from her trying to protect his vital areas.

I think he did try to stop the stabs that were coming at him and that is when he got the awful deep cuts on his hands.

IMO

 

[lil_buddy]

It was pretty explicit once Nurmi dragged it out of her with a very leading question. I'll see if I can find that in her testimony.

It's cool. I'll take your word for it.
Well maybe someone else will want to watch it.
As for me, I've had enough of listening to her 'til Tuesday of course.

 

[minor4th]

I think so too. I imagine a lot of the men are hunters. This is Arizona where they hunt. So the bullet casing landing on a pool of blood will be easy for them to understand which came first.

Dr. Horn's opinion is supported by the evidence, imo.

Now I do think Jodi is going to come right out the gate lying her butt off and say she shot him first because it is evident that she and Nurmi have decided that somehow makes it more humane. Good luck with trying to sell that is all I can say.

I had my hubby look at the bullet casing and immediately he said he was already bleeding when the shot was fired. He is a hunter and has to look for blood trails sometimes when he shoots a deer.

IMO

Clearly the defense has taken the position that he was shot first, and I think that's what Jodi's testimony will be. She may even say that Travis got the gun from her after she shot him -- or that the gun went off accidentally as they struggled for it when he was trying to shoot her ...or some other concoction.

It would make it more humane if she had stopped with a gunshot to the head, but she didn't -- so even if she testifies that she shot him first but failed to incapacitate him, she cannot get around the fact that she continued stabbing him over and over and over while he tried, unsuccessfully, to defend himself.

 

[katydid23]

Also, imo, she really wanted to lecture him and scold him. I don't think she could do that very long by 'knifepoint.' If she was attempting to lecture him, he would have been able to get that weapon away from her, imo. :moo:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What exactly do you mean by energy?

I think she means the high velosity of the bullet entering into his brain.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Crawled back???? Huh?


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thinking he starts in the shower, we see he got to the area in the bedroom where the large pool of blood is, then he ends up back in the shower slumped. With some of his own power, or dragged. Oddly (and photos are not the best online) if he was dragged, I was looking for bloody drag marks. I know he was bleeding a lot, but if you drag, then its a distinct look of something bloody dragging. (i maybe just didn't see it)

I was checking out an "incident" let's call it and it was important to note whether a dog (deceased) died outside and was dragged in and placed on his bed, where he was found, or if he walked to his bed on his own, laid down and died of natural causes. The consensus was "on his own, inside, natural causes" I disagree'd. Before anything was done, I got to check it out. My conclusion was he died outside, he was dragged in, subsequently the carpet was professionally shampoo'd and dried (or the big rented machine) 1. The redwood deck attached to the sliders he would have come in upon close inspection had his hair caught on several nails leading to the sliding door, It was immaculate so this would be new, and only done if he was dragged across the deck (the deck was washed, the hair was still there) White carpet around him was immaculate but crunchy as if freshly shampoo'd and dried. He was on his bed in such a way he would have to walk there and make footprints as we did when we touched this carpet that was freshly shampoo'd and dried and yet no dog paw prints were on the carpet, he was placed in bed, legs extended, rigor set in, not a natural position for him to lay in the first place. Probably blood or body fluid dragged in, then much clean up. And there he was on his own island with beautiful white carpet around him. Sorry, long dead dog story, but it was an important bit of info to know dog dead out and dragged in, or died in.. and I believe I was correct. I just give the facts, what they do with them is what they do. (dragging things and how a body moved fascinates me)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Clearly the defense has taken the position that he was shot first, and I think that's what Jodi's testimony will be. She may even say that Travis got the gun from her after she shot him -- or that the gun went off accidentally as they struggled for it when he was trying to shoot her ...or some other concoction.

It would make it more humane if she had stopped with a gunshot to the head, but she didn't -- so even if she testifies that she shot him first but failed to incapacitate him, she cannot get around the fact that she continued stabbing him over and over and over while he tried, unsuccessfully, to defend himself.

I think Juan is going to show Jodi that awful picture of Travis' throat cut ear to ear and he is going to show her several times. It takes a lot of anger and rage to do something that horrific.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Oh I dont. Frankly I would rather be shot than stabbed to death.

If he rushed her he would be like a sitting duck for her to hack and slice him to death. The only chance he had with a crazy murderer with a 6in sharp knife is to try and get away from her trying to protect his vital areas.

I think he did try to stop the stabs that were coming at him and that is when he got the awful deep cuts on his hands.

IMO

But he was bigger and stronger. If she had lunged and begun stabbing at him, I think he could have taken the knife from her after receiving a few deep stabs. But not if he had already been shot. JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

Why does it matter if she shot him first or somewhere in the middle or at the end? Does that somehow lessen the horror of his death? If she did shoot him first does that mean anything in terms of the charges? The judge already ruled regardless of the order of the wounds the hurdle was met to allow a jury to consider the DP if they get to that point.

How will the absolute definitive answer ever be known about the exact sequence of wounds inflicted? Think Jodi is going to be honest about that and tell us? I doubt it. Can you trust what she says on the stand? I don't.

The way I see it, no one will ever really know what exactly went down in the exact order moment by moment. Not even the killer will have full recollection to be able to recreate each micro-movement. It's a debate with no end because the answer isn't going to be known to anyone's satisfaction.

There are 2 choices. Go with the expert who actually viewed, autopsied and analyzed the body, or imagine a different scenario based on...well...whatever other criteria people who aren't the medical examiner and didn't actually view the body use. By the way, the M.E. opined the blood pouring down TA's back in that one pic is consistent with the neck wound. Common sense backs that up since that was the largest wound with the most and fastest blood loss. No other wound on TA's body would pour from the neck area down over a shoulder.

 

[getReal]

I think so too. I imagine a lot of the men are hunters. This is Arizona where they hunt. So the bullet casing landing on a pool of blood will be easy for them to understand which came first.

Dr. Horn's opinion is supported by the evidence, imo.

Now I do think Jodi is going to come right out the gate lying her butt off and say she shot him first because it is evident that she and Nurmi have decided that somehow makes it more humane. Good luck with trying to sell that is all I can say.

I had my hubby look at the bullet casing and immediately he said he was already bleeding when the shot was fired. He is a hunter and has to look for blood trails sometimes when he shoots a deer.

IMO

IMO, since his corpse was laying on the right side, with TA's left side of his head facing upwards, it is ridiculous to speculate that JA twisted his head around to shoot him. The trajectory of the bullet's entry and resting place fits perfectly with the theory of him being shot while sitting in the position of his last living photo. As she pulled the trigger he flinched away and it clipped the frontal lobe above his right brow and stopped in his sinus above the left cheek.

 

[panthera]

I think so too. I imagine a lot of the men are hunters. This is Arizona where they hunt. So the bullet casing landing on a pool of blood will be easy for them to understand which came first.

Dr. Horn's opinion is supported by the evidence, imo.

Now I do think Jodi is going to come right out the gate lying her butt off and say she shot him first because it is evident that she and Nurmi have decided that somehow makes it more humane. Good luck with trying to sell that is all I can say.

I had my hubby look at the bullet casing and immediately he said he was already bleeding when the shot was fired. He is a hunter and has to look for blood trails sometimes when he shoots a deer.

IMO

BBM

Also eagerly anticipating how she came into possession of the gun while he was in the shower. Hypothetically, he lunged at her for dropping the camera so before he could do anything else to physically harm her, she had a gun ready and fired it at him? Why would a gun even be in the bathroom and most of all, whose gun was it?

She has already attempted at explaining the knife being in the bathroom, which didn't make any sense either.

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[Jax49]

I just listened to the ME's testimony again and the following is my understanding.

He did not say which wound occurred first. He said that would be speculation and not his job. He said that the defensive wounds had to have occurred before the slit throat and gun shot.