Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Vresia]

I'm not sure where you heard it was 3 days - Florida subpoena'd Casey Anthony's records far later than that. Three days may be what's available to the customer but a court could get them to go back much further than that.

I routinely have to request cell records are preserved in anticipation of getting a court order and most carriers do not keep the actual texts more than a few days. Some rare carriers keep text content do but most, in my experience, don't. You have to make sure you get them preserved the minute you think they may be important.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/3/3722996/police-ask-congress-preserve-sms-logs-two-years
Police call on Congress to require that carriers maintain SMS logs for two years Dec 3, 2012
"Carriers generally store rudimentary data for past messages (the numbers involved, a timestamp of when the conversation occurred, etc.) for several months, but the actual content of those chats can be permanently lost within days. A Justice Department memo publicized last year shows that Verizon stores detailed logs for between three and five days while AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile apparently keep no such records at all."

 

[zoey]

new here, but been lurking. My answer to that question is " Doing the job
for which it was intended" and made for.

welcome!!!:welcome5::wagon:

 

[FrayedKnot]

I agree - the context of the "dumb" remark was in Jodi's assessment of her sister's naivety to sexual references (clearly her sister is not the trashy that Jodi is) and that has *nothing* to do with whether someone has an addiction. DUH.

I thought she was calling her dumb for getting pregnant? Like she was running kind of wild and screwing up her life?

I have to go back and read but I thought that's what she was referring to..."I love her, she's my sis and all, but she is so dumb to act this way" kinda thing.

OTOH, she and TA had been dishing on some people earlier in the convo so maybe she really was talking carp about Angela. IDK. :waitasec:

 

[princesspjs]

I thought she was calling her dumb for getting pregnant? Like she was running kind of wild and screwing up her life?

I have to go back and read but I thought that's what she was referring to..."I love her, she's my sis and all, but she is so dumb to act this way" kinda thing.

OTOH, she and TA had been dishing on some people earlier in the convo so maybe she really was talking carp about Angela. IDK. :waitasec:

IMO you need to listen to it, not read it. Her inflections tell me that she was really stating that she thought her sister was dumb.

 

[Martin L]

i hope i do this right but this is what i saw

 

[Sleuth13]

Our first pug took on a 100 plus golden lab----our current pug (female-small) has tried to take on a male great dane---our golden receiver was fearful of both (sadly we put her down July :candle::anguish::tears

So sorry for your loss ~ I know it is very painful!!!! Some people don't understand the bonds we can have with our furry friends, but for people like me who do not have kids, my pets are my children and loss is NEVER easy!!! At least you can find comfort knowing she is on the othe rside of the "Rainbow Bridge" waiting for you and you will see her again one day!! (Rainbow Bridge is a wonderful poem to help cope with loss of a pet for anyone who may not get the reference)

 

[FrayedKnot]

Grandfather and bro are Carl. Dad's name is Bill.

Thanks! Then delete "dad" and insert "grandad".

Of course, who knows if he really even said that. I did see some posts last night that calling each other gay or pedophiles was a sort of "humor" between TA and his friends, so maybe he did say that, thinking he was being funny?

It just sounds really middle school to me so I sort of doubt it happened.

 

[Linda7NJ]

i hope i do this right but this is what i saw

God bless ya!

I can't see a thing.




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[Zuri]

I don't know if this will help, but this was my experience. When we were going through my brother's murder trial, I went up to the defense attorney and asked him how he could defend a murderer. He said that it was like a game of chess between him and the prosecutor and the judge was in charge of the rules. Fast forward 25 years. My daughter was being terrorized by another girl. My daughter wanted her out of her life and in doing so, filed a false police report. I was so furious with her, but I needed to get her an attorney in the case they filed charges against her. (She was 17). I got the best defense attorney in town. Fortunately no charges were filed. So IMO, you never know when you might need one and bashing the DT serves no purpose. Respectfully IMO

 

[pinkie60]

claims jodi called him at 3am june 4, if it happened it would have to be 3am june 5, since travis died at 5:30pm june 4. wouldn't a normal person say "gus, travis tried to kill me" omg, i killed him would you say sobbing hysterically "travis is dead. i don't know what happened"

 

[zoey]

Here is the corresponding Arizona rule:

ER 3.3. Candor Toward the Tribunal

(a) A lawyer shall not knowingly:

(1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer;

(2) fail to disclose to the tribunal legal authority in the controlling jurisdiction known to the lawyer to be directly adverse to the position of the client and not disclosed by opposing counsel; or

(3) offer evidence that the lawyer knows to be false. If a lawyer, the lawyer's client or a witness called by the lawyer has offered material evidence and the lawyer comes to know of its falsity, the lawyer shall take reasonable remedial measures, including, if necessary, disclosure to the tribunal. A lawyer may refuse to offer evidence, other than the testimony of a defendant in a criminal matter, that the lawyer reasonably believes is false.
​

Nurmi must offer Jodi's testimony, even if he reasonably believes it is false. To do otherwise would be a violation of his professional responsibility and his duty of loyalty to his client and zealous advocacy.

Only if he knows the testimony or evidence is false is he prohibited from eliciting or offering it.

but must he always asks her how she felt, feels and lets go back to 2007......lease:

 

[borndem]

I'm concerned that Travis doesn't seem to have used condoms!!!

What was that boy thinking?


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Good point, Linda! And poor TA caught the worst STD ever, and her name was ~~~~. And it was fatal.

 

[Sleuth13]

TA said JA's brother was gay because his name was Carl.

JA said he was named after her Dad.

TA said her Dad must be gay, too.

IIRC.

OMG!!!Can't believe i missed that!!! Honestly, I just LOL'd when i read this bc it is the most REDICULOUS thing I've ever heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW...

 

[Zeno49]

One thing I would like to know about JA is....we all can see she is a liar. But with the Casey case...she was an accomplished liar. Friends testified about it. It was obvious she had been lying effectively for years.

Has anybody come forward to talk about lies JA has told in the past? Whether or not she was a pathological liar? She obviously lied from the get go about this murder, but what about previously?

The question posed above is interesting. Most observers of this case will conclude that JA is a psychopath. But actually little historical characterological information has been forthcoming in the defense testimony or on talk shows. She “successfully” lived with a man for over 4 years!!!! That takes some skill in navigating conflict and negotiating compromises. Nobody to my knowledge has stated that JA was frequently caught in lies – ala Casey Anthony.
Most people simply say that she evoked a certain”creepiness” and that she had a “blank soulless stare”. A lot of former acquaintances say she was very “private” and rarely talked about herself or discussed any of her problems.
She obviously was highly skilled in creating an evocative sexy persona which would be attractive to males and a total “turn off” to females.

BUT to my knowledge she:
*Never broke the law
* never was arrested ie no DUIs no shoplifting etc
* was never fired from her food service jobs (???)
*paid her bills as best she could
*owned a car
*successfully held and used a credit card and a cell phone
*was never “jilted” or shunned by all her prior male suitors.

So it would seem- correct me if I am wrong here!!! – JA never demonstrated past behavior which would be characterized by a forensic psychologist as “psychopathy” or “sociopathy”!!!

 

[FrayedKnot]

Not in a million years do I believe that and I wouldn't be surprised if TA had some gay friends ...

Travis was very conservative both politically and religiously. I doubt he had any gay friends (or at least that he KNEW of).

I know some people think that kind of joking around is just silly fun loving guy stuff.

I'm not one of them.

MOO

 

[Stolat]

I thought she was calling her dumb for getting pregnant? Like she was running kind of wild and screwing up her life?

I have to go back and read but I thought that's what she was referring to..."I love her, she's my sis and all, but she is so dumb to act this way" kinda thing.

OTOH, she and TA had been dishing on some people earlier in the convo so maybe she really was talking carp about Angela. IDK. :waitasec:

I too would have to go back and listen and the pregnant comment may also be in the same portion of convo but what I recalled Jodi saying was some reference to a sexual term that Angela did not know what it meant and Jodi was ridiculing her naivety. So I think "dumb" covered a lot of area in Jodi's book.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

at 19:30 when she breaks down a bit, I believe her. She said:

"he was kneeling down in the shower...and I don't really know what happened after that"

Her body language before she says that is believable. I did not know she ever said he was kneeling down before just now.

I always said he either bent over toward the shower head, or bent down, the shot went through the right eye brown in a downward motion exit left cheek.

I say she shot first, he kneels down, she lifts the gun shoots him through the right temple expecting a fatal shot through the temple. He was below her (hence all the blood low in the shower) Because he was kneeling the bullet didn't go straight through his head, it went down at an angle, not a fatal shot, simply due to his kneeling.

I think he surprised her by stumbling to his feet, he got up, he was dazed but then tried to fight back.

Then the frenzy ensued with the knife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FoUB2UzWjtI#!

18:20 on...at 19:05 you see her relive the first shot she fired. She feels it

 

[LambChop]

Thanks for posting that. Just wish they put the picture they were seeing that in in it's non-blurry version.

It's a closeup picture of Travis' eye when Jodi took the picture of him in the shower. We know she was there, she confessed. Not sure why everyone is trying to ruin their eyes trying to find an image of her when we know she was there taking those pictures. lol jmo

 

[SoBeCzar]

I was very confused about the "your brother is gay because his name is Carl" statement. Huh? Just because of his name?

And it was quite obvious to me that the very next day JA MADE Nurmi re-question her about the statements on that tape about her "dumb" sister just so she could "clear it up" and make amends with her sister in open court.

Sickening. :banghead:

I noticed he went over just about everything posted here. I think both sides keep up with the on line discussions to not miss anything and to clear things up.

 

[tinkabella]

The question posed above is interesting. Most observers of this case will conclude that JA is a psychopath. But actually little historical characterological information has been forthcoming in the defense testimony or on talk shows. She “successfully” lived with a man for over 4 years!!!! That takes some skill in navigating conflict and negotiating compromises. Nobody to my knowledge has stated that JA was frequently caught in lies – ala Casey Anthony.
Most people simply say that she evoked a certain”creepiness” and that she had a “blank soulless stare”. A lot of former acquaintances say she was very “private” and rarely talked about herself or discussed any of her problems.
She obviously was highly skilled in creating an evocative sexy persona which would be attractive to males and a total “turn off” to females.

BUT to my knowledge she:

* was never fired from her food service jobs (???)


So it would seem- correct me if I am wrong here!!! – JA never demonstrated past behavior which would be characterized by a forensic psychologist as “psychopathy” or “sociopathy”!!!

I think Jodi had a problem keeping Jobs. If you listened to her testimony it seemed like she was switching jobs left and right. For every event of abuse she seemed to have a new job. Go back and listen (If you can, I can't lol) but see how often she mentions all these jobs. I don't know if she was fired but someone with this chaotic job history raising flags..Also check into her DB days when she stopped paying rent...etc.