Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[princesspjs]

Ok she does not go into how he got stabbed.

Would you mind adding these transcriptions that you did to the transcription thread and add the links to the videos that you used to transcribe from? Thank you for doing this...transcribing her voice is so tedious and difficult, I'm so glad that there are others who are willing to help do it!

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[Zuri]

Well, I'm thinking he was face down when his throat was slit at the end of the hallway. For the blood to drip backwards and down his back he must have been in a different position at some point in between for the wounds above his neck to bleed backwards and so profusely.

Gravity causes the blood to drip backwards

 

[TartLemon]

Maybe JM will cross her about the photos frame by frame.

IS is going to a 2 hr format starting March 4. 9-11 est. Court does not even convene in this trial until 11:30 est. I hope HLN carries it.

 

[neesaki]

Just want to say to those interested...

There is no psychological diagnosis of psychopathy.

From:

Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"While no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis of "psychopathy" itself, assessments of psychopathy are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations and may have important consequences for individuals."

The book Mask of Sanity was written in 1941. A whole lot has changed in the world of psychology since then.

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That's true according to the DSM-IIIR as well. But Robert Hare has done extensive research and written several books on the subject of psychopathy as well as developed a psychopathy checklist. Fascinating subject.

 

[LambChop]

Yes, this is another possibility.

I don't think it's a possibility I believe Dr. Horn testified in court that the blood we see was from his neck injury. jmo

 

[elementary]

Just want to say to those interested...

There is no psychological diagnosis of psychopathy.

From:

Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"While no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis of "psychopathy" itself, assessments of psychopathy are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations and may have important consequences for individuals."

The book Mask of Sanity was written in 1941. A whole lot has changed in the world of psychology since then.

There are currently studies of psychopathy by Dr. Robert Hare, for whom Cleckley was seminal. Psychopaths don't change, so why would descriptions like Cleckley's of psychopathy change?

There is, indeed, a psychological diagnosis of psychopathy, and it is also very much part of criminal profiling. It's just not in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual).

BTW, IMO, Wikipedia is not authoritative, is not necessarily your friend, and may not be remotely accurate.

 

[Ada]

License plate: I think she used a stolen one while in Arizona. Then, put the correct one back on, in the dark (which is why it was upside down), in the desert, and tossed the stolen one onto the pile with the floor mats, bloody clothes, gun, knife, gas and kerosene cans.

Hair: Hair dyed before hitting Az. Since she thought the traffic cameras would pick her up, she could say "not me, I was blond (just ask the car rental guy) and that's clearly not the correct license plate for the car. See here's the plate# on the rental agreement.

Prosecution: I think Mr Juanderful should pick a few unimportant stories from Jodi's monologue and ask her to repeat them. Just picking a random date here, I picture it like this: "Let's go back to November 2nd 2007. Tell us again what happened on that date." Since she was making that crap up on the spot (IMO), I don't think there is any way she can recall it the way it was told. Once he's established that she's a pathological liar, he can get on with the day of the murder.

 

[princesspjs]

I don't think it's a possibility I believe Dr. Horn testified in court that the blood we see was from his neck injury. jmo

I don't think that any professional out there can testify to what injury caused the blood down his back. The only person who knows for sure is Jodi because she washed Travis off before she left. Any testimony as to where that exact bit of blood came from is speculation no matter how many degrees one has earned.

It's all just speculation at this point where all that is left is a badly lit photograph.

 

[LambChop]

I do recall that, I think she said $40 or $60 bucks? Just enough for cab fare.

Then if there were no ninjas she took his money without his permission so wouldn't that be theft. His wallet was found in his office. She had to go into the office to get it. Plus she brought a stolen weapon into his home to kill him with. jmo

 

[princesspjs]

Then if there were no ninjas she took his money without his permission so wouldn't that be thief. His wallet was found in his office. She had to go into the office to get it. Plus she brought a stolen weapon into his home to kill him with. jmo

oohhhh good point. But, where do her lies start and where do they end? No one knows how much money Travis had in his wallet except for Jodi and Travis. Travis isn't here anymore and Jodi is a liar.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Would you mind adding these transcriptions that you did to the transcription thread and add the links to the videos that you used to transcribe from? Thank you for doing this...transcribing her voice is so tedious and difficult, I'm so glad that there are others who are willing to help do it!

Jodi Arias recorded statements and interviews - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

yes! I'll give each video a once over and get them as accurate as possible. I like to see the written words.. then watch video. They seem to each offer a bit of information. But after viewing 1 and 2 I think she was recounting how it happened, but conveniently put in a mystery home invader.

 

[lil_buddy]

There are the currently studies of psychopathy by Robert Hare, for whom Cleckley was seminal. Psychopaths don't change, so why would descriptions like Cleckley's of psychopathy change?

There is, indeed, a psychological diagnosis of psychopathy, and it is also very much part of criminal profiling.

BTW, IMO, Wikipedia is not authoratative, is not necessarily your friend, and may not be remotely accurate.

In this case wikipedia is accurate; there is no psychological diagnosis of psychopathy.
If this is not correct, I would love to read about it from a reputable source.

The Hare checklist is used in criminal justice and it should be noted that
Robert Hare himself has expressed grave concerns regarding the use of his checklist in criminal justice.
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/26/136619689/can-a-test-really-tell-whos-a-psychopath

 

[LambChop]

I don't think that any professional out there can testify to what injury caused the blood down his back. The only person who knows for sure is Jodi because she washed Travis off before she left. Any testimony as to where that exact bit of blood came from is speculation no matter how many degrees one has earned.

It's all just speculation at this point where all that is left is a badly lit photograph.

I don't think it was speculation on Dr. Horn's part as he stated it as fact.

 

[gitana1]

gitana1, the CA jury is the same one the Prosecution chose. Not just the Defense. I have a lot of respect for the jury process.

The jury hearing the case against JA will deliberate and conclude on the evidence they are presented.

I have a lot of respect for the jury process.

No. The jury is the jury they were stuck with. It certainly wasn't the jury the state chose. They objected to potential jurors a few times but the judge ruled against them.

Also, the judge ordered an extreme sequestration. The defense loved it. The state did not. That was a jury desperate to get out of there and avoid weeks more of a penalty phase.

You deeply respect the jury process. That does not mean that juries are always right. Nor does it mean that the process is a good one.

Murder trial juries are made up of retired people and people who are able to sit for weeks or months because they have goverment jobs that pay them while they are out or because they are unemployed. This narrows the pool of prospective jurors quite a bit. Oh, there can be some great ones but when you narrow the pool, it makes it harder to find people with the necessary critical thinking skills.

I don't know one attorney, defense or not, who expected the Casey Anthony verdict after both sides rested. Even the experienced judge acted as if he was shocked as he quickly flipped through the verdict form, looking for the verdict he would not find.

There are many, educated people and many people in the legal community who believe our jury system is flawed and/or believe it should be replaced by professional or trained jurors. There is a reason for those beliefs.

I am board certified neuroradiologist and have examined hundreds of gunshot wounds to the head and neck, mainly by CT scans. Cranial MRIs are generally not done in acute GSW to the head because of acuity and artifact generated by metal. Embedded metal in a brain would move precipitously in 1.5 T magnetic field.
The trajectory of the bullet was downward and slightly obklique from TA right to left. The bullet penetrated the right frontal bone, just above right brow, entered the anterior cranial fossa, and “probably” grazed or penetrated some the anterior right frontal lobe white matter. The bullet then exited out of the anterior cranial fossa somewhere to the left of midline – ie planum sphenoidale or left orbital roof then entered TA left infratemporal fossa.
There is also possibility that the fragment did not proceed in a straight direct A to B course. Course depends on muzzle velocity, kinetic energy of a 25 caliber projectile, bullet fragment spin and disintegration, bullet fragment interaction between the inner and outer table of skull. There may also have been some ricochet phenomenon operative although Horn’s report was not clear here.
The bullet fragment lodged near the left mandibular condyle. I am unclear if the left side of the upper nasopharynx near the torus tubarius was injured or not. There is insufficient detail in Horn’s report to identify with precision exactly where bullet exited out of the anterior cranial fossa.
Kinetic energy and fragment spin would traumatize TA right frontal lobe. But TA would still be very much conscious and still be completely mobile. The bullet fragment trajectory was far away from the right motor strip or the right internal capsule.

Thanks, Zeno!!!!!

 

[anagrammy]

Hasn't Arias created a catch-22 for herself having crossed herself up with her lying?

If she dropped the camera and a healthy young enraged male lunged at her, how did she get away from him to get the gun?

If she was going to commit suicide in front of him, wouldn't he have lunged at the gun? In which case, he wouldn't have been shot in the head at a downward angle...

If she was going to shoot herself, why did she need a knife?

There's no scenario I can think of that fits the facts that doesn't backfire on her.

 

[writer7]

I don't think it's a possibility I believe Dr. Horn testified in court that the blood we see was from his neck injury. jmo

Just to confuse matters more, there is another neck wound if you look at the autopsy report.

I think it's possible that the first picture that shows a bloody Travis might have been during the fight, before he got down the hallway. The blood would be from the stab wound to the neck, but the fully slashed throat wouldn't have happened yet.

I just think that because of the timing. Clearly the very next picture does show her dragging him, so I do think the throat slashing and everything but the final gunshot wound had happened by then.

I'm in the 'F-U gunshot' as the final wound camp (the shot was more symbolic than anything, thus an F-U shot). I think she did that back in the bathroom, either with him on the floor or when she finally got into the shower to clean both herself and him off.

I don't think the exact details matter very much, but I do think they are interesting. The fact that there are pictures still amazes me.

I don't think what she has said in any of her lies has to mean anything particularly truthful about the fight. She may have been hoping the evidence didn't match her ninja story so she could argue that her 'confession' was coerced or delusional. Who knows! Shades of Amanda Knox there, imho. If folks bought it, she thinks that's excellent, and if they didn't she knows it 'shows' that she wasn't aware of the real evidence = she didn't do it. There are all kinds of slimy tricks murderers play with confessions

 

[Linda7NJ]

There are currently studies of psychopathy by Dr. Robert Hare, for whom Cleckley was seminal. Psychopaths don't change, so why would descriptions like Cleckley's of psychopathy change?

There is, indeed, a psychological diagnosis of psychopathy, and it is also very much part of criminal profiling. It's just not in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual).

BTW, IMO, Wikipedia is not authoritative, is not necessarily your friend, and may not be remotely accurate.

You're absolutely correct!

The DSM is also known as the billing bible....


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[Curious Me]

Paying enough for my cable tv, so I'm watching my money's worth lately.

I love the way the British sounding panel guest on JVM , Simone Benet, speaks about this case, but today she is making too much of the 12 yr. old girl comment Travis made. Not sure it's a deviant thing to say. Someone on here said it's like BritSpears when she had the knee socks school girl look in her "Oops, I did it again" type of image. Simone says it is so sick she'd tell the guy off then and there. Well, Jodi gushed all over it. Travis said it in a more naive way, IMO.

OT news - Investigation Discovery on Sat. night, Devil Inside, is going to cover the Chris Coleman case. He had a mistress, and he ended up killing his wife and two sons. He even had a wedding date set with the mistress beforehand.

 

[magpie]

Maybe JM will cross her about the photos frame by frame.

IS is going to a 2 hr format starting March 4. 9-11 est. Court does not even convene in this trial until 11:30 est. I hope HLN carries it.

Are you saying they are only going to carry trial coverage for 2 hours per day? :what: Well that's not even worth the trouble with all the talking heads they put on every day. I guess when they start that 2 hour timeframe I will just delete the DVR of InSession. Saves more room for The Walking Dead and General Hospital.

 

[moonbird]

<snipped for space>
Go to my neighbors house. I .. there was just no way out. Um, she had a knife and I don't know...he was bleeding everywhere, it was like, when she rushed me afterward.. I rushed her she came back at me, Travis and I were right about here. Um, and there was a little bit of a struggle with her and I. I was so scared, I'm not a person that fights, i'm not a person who knows about self defense, I took some classes once about 8 yrs ago. So I was not sure I just knew I had to hold onto her hands, she had a knife. In this hand her right I guess? (Detective asks.. her right?) Jodi looks puzzled, or now can't answer.
<respectfully snipped again>

thank you for your patience and hard work on this!

reBBM... this part, when viewed, is SO telling! she indicates the knife was in her left hand.. she's left-handed.. then she realizes she has to reverse it to keep up the ruse that it is a different, right-handed, female... when i first saw that i thought 'she's reliving her action'... i am absolutely chomping at the bit for JM to cross her.