Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Pink Panther]

~bbm


And I continue to beat the drum for this point! lol I can't figure out for the life of me why the State is diminishing its premeditation case to stand by a highly questionable "stabbed first" defense. jmo

I've wondered the same...But maybe it's because of expert advice. Maybe it's the most scientifically correct assumption. Regardless, I thought that the judge ruled that it didn't matter which came first (gun or knife)...That the heinousness of the crime still left DP on the table?

 

[fabvab]

Why does she wear makeup some days in trial (JA) and other days not ???????

That's what the "script" calls for?:waitasec:

 

[pinkie60]

He did pursue the point about what the problem was and she said it was after he had talked about sodomizing a 12 yr old girl.
So that would be pedophilia.

now i want to get it straight, i think the only referrence to a 12 yr old girl was on the phone sex tape, where travis tells jodie her orgasm sounds like a 12 yr old girl, so hot. is there anywhere else travis mentions wanting sex with a 12 yr old?

 

[lil_buddy]

I read a post on this forum somewhere the other day that the info about 25 caliber gun of Jodi's Grandpa that was stolen, would NOT be admitted into trial.

I do not see how anyone on this forum could know this.

 

[LambChop]

I read a post on this forum somewhere the other day that the info about 25 caliber gun of Jodi's Grandpa that was stolen, would NOT be admitted into trial. So I assume that means no mention of that particular theft or that particular 25 gun when Juan gets his chance on Cross?

Although the 25 has already been mention on the investigative videos between Jodi and Det. Flores that were played in front of the jury.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong! I hope I'm wrong.

I'm guessing the State cannot bring in how they believe she came to have the gun because if she stole it, it's a crime, if she didn't and filed a report it was stolen it's a crime so it would be prior bad acts can not be admitted. Even though she hasn't been charged I don't think they can bring that part in. jmo

 

[Karmady]

I read a post on this forum somewhere the other day that the info about 25 caliber gun of Jodi's Grandpa that was stolen, would NOT be admitted into trial. So I assume that means no mention of that particular theft or that particular 25 gun when Juan gets his chance on Cross?

Although the 25 has already been mention on the investigative videos between Jodi and Det. Flores that were played in front of the jury.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong! I hope I'm wrong.

The police officer that investigated the "theft" has already testified. So yes, it's on the record.

 

[Pink Panther]

I read a post on this forum somewhere the other day that the info about 25 caliber gun of Jodi's Grandpa that was stolen, would NOT be admitted into trial. So I assume that means no mention of that particular theft or that particular 25 gun when Juan gets his chance on Cross?

Although the 25 has already been mention on the investigative videos between Jodi and Det. Flores that were played in front of the jury.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong! I hope I'm wrong.

I don't know but she will have to address the gun in her testimony as she can't deny that he was shot. She will have to include it in her explanation of event and as such, JM will be able to question her about it. Where she got it...

moo

 

[lil_buddy]

now i want to get it straight, i think the only referrence to a 12 yr old girl was on the phone sex tape, where travis tells jodie her orgasm sounds like a 12 yr old girl, so hot. is there anywhere else travis mentions wanting sex with a 12 yr old?

Nothing else has been presented that shows this.
They're trying to play up the braids - like TA dug them cause he liked little girls. :banghead:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But Horn testified that it was likely Alexander was stabbed in the heart first, tried to defend himself, then had his throat slit, killing him. Then, Alexander was shot in the head.

Horn's theory is in conflict with other experts theories.

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If Horn testified Travis was stabbed in the heart first, that was a fatal stab wound, this is why I can't believe he said that. If you stab him in the heart, he goes down, he does not come out and try to fend her off, he dies right there. This is why there is still much confusion between even the experts.

What other experts?

Since this began I have heard about four MEs agree with Dr. Horn.

 

[Really?]

The part where he got his defensive wounds is what I called a fight. I'll use a different term than 'fight' if anyone likes, though.

The part where he was trying to be defensive. That part

I do think he tried to defend himself a bit at first. And he tried to get away. Nothing surprises me about any of that, and I agree that he was gravely disabled as the majority of that was happening (maybe not during the first slash or two). I just think JA was very successful early on in the 'part where Travis was trying to be defensive'.

The towel-drying his hair is a good theory, imho. I do think he was taken by surprise one way or another, probably.

yes, that was a good point about the towel drying his hair.

I also go from here from a poster that said a camera flash could have disabled him from sight.

 

[SoBeCzar]

now i want to get it straight, i think the only referrence to a 12 yr old girl was on the phone sex tape, where travis tells jodie her orgasm sounds like a 12 yr old girl, so hot. is there anywhere else travis mentions wanting sex with a 12 yr old?

I was trying to find that out myself. There was some discussion about this yesterday and the phone sex tape was the only time it was mentioned, to the best of the websleuthers memories. It confused a few of us because we didn't get that his comment on the tape equated wanting to sodomize a little girl. Only in the mind of Jodi.

 

[Karmady]

I've wondered the same...But maybe it's because of expert advice. Maybe it's the most scientifically correct assumption. Regardless, I thought that the judge ruled that it didn't matter which came first (gun or knife)...That the heinousness of the crime still left DP on the table?

That's right. It was potentially relevant to the DP considerations. But now it's not. So I wonder whether the defense will alter its case to refute the "shot first" theory for purposes of disproving premeditation and providing room for their self defense argument.

 

[BritsKate]

Kinda related: Does the DT have a forensic scientist witness lined up to contradict the ME? Will the DT be calling the ME to the stand? Does anyone know? [I thought there was a witness list somewhere]

Not that I can locate. This is the best I've got but it appears to only be a partial list.

Matt McCartney, a former boyfriend who lives in California.
Two friends and two former girlfriends of Travis Alexander. The defense claims Alexander was seeing those girlfriends at the same time he was dating Arias.
Richard Samuels, a valley psychologist and expert on sexual violence cases.
Kimberly Ross, Arias' former cell mate.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...ist-revealed-in-jodi-arias-case#ixzz2L1XCwryR

 

[popsicle]

I read a post on this forum somewhere the other day that the info about 25 caliber gun of Jodi's Grandpa that was stolen, would NOT be admitted into trial. So I assume that means no mention of that particular theft or that particular 25 gun when Juan gets his chance on Cross?

Although the 25 has already been mention on the investigative videos between Jodi and Det. Flores that were played in front of the jury.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong! I hope I'm wrong.

Juan already admitted this information into evidence.

 

[minor4th]

Just throwing something out there.

Diabolical Jodi is hell bent on murdering Travis and drives over 1000 miles to do it, had him in the must vulnerable position ever.....Please no posting pics but we know the one flat on his back with his eyes closed and most likely sleeping. Assuming that when she arrived she was not able to due to his being up, this was in my mind the perfect time.

I think she already had a plan to get him in the shower and have all of the "action" take place there so she could wash away the evidence.

Plus, the roommate was home for part of the day - one of the roommates was apparently there in the morning and may have even spoken to Travis some time before noon. One of the roommates was also there in the afternoon from around 3:00 to 4:00 (maybe longer or shorter, but that it his approximation in his statement to Flores).

Jodi had to kind of plan around the roommates being there - guns make noise, and so do screaming, fatally wounded young men. So if she had to wait for roommates to be gone, and had to wait for Travis to be in the shower, this could explain why she waited so many hours to start the murder. Also would explain why she was so late to Ryan's -- she had previously planned on killing Travis pretty quickly and then being on her way, but her plans were thwarted.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've wondered the same...But maybe it's because of expert advice. Maybe it's the most scientifically correct assumption. Regardless, I thought that the judge ruled that it didn't matter which came first (gun or knife)...That the heinousness of the crime still left DP on the table?

Thats exactly how the Judge ruled when she said the DP still stands.

No matter if the heart stab came first or the shot to the head or the heinous stab wounds or his throat slit ear to ear it is still cruel and inhumane.

I agree with Dr. Horn's expert opinion.

imo

 

[LambChop]

Kinda related: Does the DT have a forensic scientist witness lined up to contradict the ME? Will the DT be calling the ME to the stand? Does anyone know? [I thought there was a witness list somewhere]

Judge said it did not matter whether the gun was first or the stab to the heart. DT was trying to use it to get a mistrial and it did not work. Plus Nurmi seems to have a problem with letting it go. Flores was obviously following Jodi's lead and believed the gunshot came first because frankly it would make sense. But since it does not change the DP charges against her it's really not an issue. jmo

 

[BritsKate]

I was trying to find that out myself. There was some discussion about this yesterday and the phone sex tape was the only time it was mentioned, to the best of the websleuthers memories. It confused a few of us because we didn't get that his comment on the tape equated wanting to sodomize a little girl. Only in the mind of Jodi.

To the best of my recollection, that's literally all there is along with her 'constantly being enhanced to make Travis sound as depraved as possible' testimony. And the letters she wanted admitted that weren't.

I've read everything my little paws could get a hold of before the trial started. There's nothing anywhere that I've seen to even remotely begin to back her claims - of abuse or worse, fwiw.

 

[LambChop]

Juan already admitted this information into evidence.

That's true, it was. And by Jodi herself with the video that kept rolling because she never asked to speak with an attorney. Got to love it. jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Juan already admitted this information into evidence.

Nurmi in one of his ridiculous motions asked that the gun be kept out of the case.

Imo, he lost.

The gun being stolen from the very HOME of the murder suspect of the same caliber used on the defendant's victim is a piece of CE. The jury can infer it was stolen by the defendant in order to shoot Travis. Jurors do not buy into coincidences in a murder case.

imo