Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Really?]

Nothing else has been presented that shows this.
They're trying to play up the braids - like TA dug them cause he liked little girls. :banghead:

Also ( this was her stage makeup day) she had to 'splain away their hole sex tape recording. So just in case a jury member didn't hear that part about the 12 yr old she had to throw that in the next day. It didn't happen. Pamphlets from the mall...him being a pedo .....etc etc

 

[minor4th]

And where did she get such reading material? I have never heard of them. For that I think the person goes to a Therapist. And my guess is they don't have "So Your Doctor Says You Are A Pedophile"


(like we used to hand out, So Your Doctor Says You Have High Blood Pressure)

According to Jodi, she got the "stack of pamphlets" at the mall.

Not likely IMO

 

[lil_buddy]

Judge said it did not matter whether the gun was first or the stab to the heart. DT was trying to use it to get a mistrial and it did not work. Plus Nurmi seems to have a problem with letting it go. Flores was obviously following Jodi's lead and believed the gunshot came first because frankly it would make sense. But since it does not change the DP charges against her it's really not an issue. jmo

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Good call!!

 

[PASA]

And where did she get such reading material? I have never heard of them. For that I think the person goes to a Therapist. And my guess is they don't have "So Your Doctor Says You Are A Pedophile"


(like we used to hand out, So Your Doctor Says You Have High Blood Pressure)

Another of her BS stories. IMHO

This is the closest thing I could find to an answer. The rest were "understanding pedo". In other words, support...sickening. Lord help me if my computer history is ever searched.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101203225923AAfihkq

 

[katydid23]

Oh, wow. That is a bit of a slip, isn't it. "I was......there was sternnes." She does not like the term aggressor when she applies it to herself. I love it. She tells Flores, in her storyline later, that the woman wanted to kill her but she thinks she was not being aggressive, just stern. lol

stern·er, stern·est
1. Hard, harsh, or severe in manner or character: a stern disciplinarian. See Synonyms at severe.
2. Grim, gloomy, or forbidding in appearance or outlook.
3. Firm or unyielding; uncompromising.
4. Inexorable; relentless: stern necessity.


A stern disciplinarian...that's what came to my mind. She was disciplining Travis for not obeying her, and for denying her, imo.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I think that he's the one who gave HER the brochure. When she first mentions the brochure she says that it's for "mental illnesses" or something of that kind. When she mentions it again, after she's implied that he's a pedophile, she says it's for "his problem". She's very crafty with her subtle suggestions.

Nonetheless, I think he gave her a brochure and it sure did tick her off! She may well have mailed him a bunch back at a later date.

moo

Ok now I can see him giving her a brochure for mental illness or something along those lines once she started to scare him.. And I can see her getting mad...

 

[L84tea]

is this PPL legit? I mean... does anyone actually know anyone who pays for that? Also I wonder if Jodi had it...and if so... if they are footing the bill for this?

 

[Lulu67]

The part where he got his defensive wounds is what I called a fight. I'll use a different term than 'fight' if anyone likes, though.

The part where he was trying to be defensive. That part

I do think he tried to defend himself a bit at first. And he tried to get away. Nothing surprises me about any of that, and I agree that he was gravely disabled as the majority of that was happening (maybe not during the first slash or two). I just think JA was very successful early on in the 'part where Travis was trying to be defensive'.

The towel-drying his hair is a good theory, imho. I do think he was taken by surprise one way or another, probably.

The soul doesn't want to leave all that readily and when people are attacked or mortally wounded, they still fight to the last to stay on this earth.

Not to get into a religious discussion, but no one - outside of a suicidal person - goes down without a fight.

 

[pinkie60]

now i want to get it straight, i think the only referrence to a 12 yr old girl was on the phone sex tape, where travis tells jodie her orgasm sounds like a 12 yr old girl, so hot. is there anywhere else travis mentions wanting sex with a 12 yr old?

i think jodie is trying to get it in the minds of the people that travis was into underage girls and i don't believe he was but he did say she sounded like one on the phone sex tape, so she is using that statement to blur the facts.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I read a post on this forum somewhere the other day that the info about 25 caliber gun of Jodi's Grandpa that was stolen, would NOT be admitted into trial. So I assume that means no mention of that particular theft or that particular 25 gun when Juan gets his chance on Cross?

Although the 25 has already been mention on the investigative videos between Jodi and Det. Flores that were played in front of the jury.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong! I hope I'm wrong.

It was testified to by the officer in Yreka that got a SW on the home.

Its already in.

IMO

 

[minor4th]

The battered woman "experts" have yet to testify and I can already say with almost certainty that I will not agree with most of what they say if they try to testify that she was a battered and abused woman.

Evidence in a trial is just that someone is "putting something out there" for the jury to think about and weigh in their own minds how that testimony fits into the rest of the puzzle.

Also, if you want to become "verified" as an expert here based on your retired paramedic experience, you can PM a mod. If not, just the fact that you state you are a retired paramedic does not give your opinion any more or less value than someone who prefers to keep their personal life and occupation "unverified".

We'll see what happens with Jodi's expert, but I think Jodi has discredited her "battered woman" defense in so many ways that it is going to make it difficult for the expert. I think the DV expert will have to testify that "IF" what Jodi says is true, then it could cause a battered woman type response and create a distorted fear for her safety in situations that other people would not reasonably have such fears.

 

[PASA]

Exactly! I guess it could be a police sting...Set up a "Pedophile Pamphlet" and then monitor/watch who takes them. I'm sure Jodi will tell us where she got them when Juan asks. I can't wait!!!!

BBM

If she names an actual local location I will personally go there and check it out.
I've never seen or heard of such a thing, and think she's making stuff up as she goes.
:hoping it's not the reception area of Nurmi's office: lease:

 

[magpie]

Nurmi in one of his ridiculous motions asked that the gun be kept out of the case.

Imo, he lost.

The gun being stolen from the very HOME of the murder suspect of the same caliber used on the defendant's victim is a piece of CE. The jury can infer it was stolen by the defendant in order to shoot Travis. Jurors do not buy into coincidences in a murder case.

imo

Thank you to everyone who answered my question/post because I feel so much better now knowing Juan can ask her about the 25 caliber gun! :seeya:

OT ~~ I'm off to watch TV again, looking for a little snow to come in here later on tonight! :great: Great debate ya'll are having tonight, will stay on this page and catch up on reading later!

 

[Martin L]

Anyone notice that when she returned the rental car in the comments part on the reciept it said smelled of smoke

 

[gitana1]

~bbm


And I continue to beat the drum for this point! lol I can't figure out for the life of me why the State is diminishing its premeditation case to stand by a highly questionable "stabbed first" defense. jmo

Because that's what the ME stated and he is the unbiased expert they need to rely on. I'm sure they are not pleased with his findings either and probably do not believe it actually went down that way. But can you imagine what it would look like if they hired an independent medical examiner to give an opinion that conflicted with the official ME report?

And since it doesn't really alter much - she could have planned to shoot first but suddenly changed her mind at the last minute- they are rolling with it.

 

[minor4th]

The soul doesn't want to leave all that readily and when people are attacked or mortally wounded, they still fight to the last to stay on this earth.

Not to get into a religious discussion, but no one - outside of a suicidal person - goes down without a fight.

I think even suicidal people would usually fight back if attacked -- just out of instinct, not because they necessarily value their lives.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

stern·er, stern·est
1. Hard, harsh, or severe in manner or character: a stern disciplinarian. See Synonyms at severe.
2. Grim, gloomy, or forbidding in appearance or outlook.
3. Firm or unyielding; uncompromising.
4. Inexorable; relentless: stern necessity.


A stern disciplinarian...that's what came to my mind. She was disciplining Travis for not obeying her, and for denying her, imo.

She elaborates later what she, I mean the assailant lady sounded like while issuing commands to Travis... (sort of like a firm whisper "quiet!!! SHHHH! Get over here!!!) and she is talking in a loud stern whisper.

Um, just like she probably did. What I feel is she really wanted to tell her story so he gets the facts straight and she is not portrayed incorrectly.

He did say something now and then "so she did this and that?

Jodi" NO she didn't do that, she was OVER here...she did that , then went over here, (there is a finger point to a paper he had drawn the layout of the bedroom)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

is this PPL legit? I mean... does anyone actually know anyone who pays for that? Also I wonder if Jodi had it...and if so... if they are footing the bill for this?

Yes they are legit. They have been in business for years now.

They not only sell policies for legal services but for identity theft too. They have over 400,000 people working for them. Even some counties and state government agencies use their services.

One of the defense attorneys on IS the other day said he has worked with them and they are legitimate.

IMO

 

[BritsKate]

i think jodie is trying to get it in the minds of the people that travis was into underage girls and i don't believe he was but he did say she sounded like one on the phone sex tape, so she is using that statement to blur the facts.

Agreed and twisting or inventing any evidence she can to support the comment in that tape. The braids, the spidies, the masturbating to boys pics, now he sodomized a young girl, he's turned on by fairy tale characters...and heaven help us all she isn't done testifying yet.

In my opinion she's simply engineering a defense strategy weaving whatever she can to bolster the minute amount of actual 'evidence' that can be twisted or manipulated to support her claims.

 

[minor4th]

I've wondered the same...But maybe it's because of expert advice. Maybe it's the most scientifically correct assumption. Regardless, I thought that the judge ruled that it didn't matter which came first (gun or knife)...That the heinousness of the crime still left DP on the table?

The state is not going to adopt a theory that contradicts the ME. They are stuck with his conclusions.