Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[PASA]

Thanks for answering. So TruTV has rendered themselves useless IMO. I still miss the old CourtTV days when they were all about trials all day long.

I miss the old CourtTV days too. TruTV is mostly junk. If I.S. goes there will be nothing left to watch. MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Because that's what the ME stated and he is the unbiased expert they need to rely on. I'm sure they are not pleased with his findings either and probably do not believe it actually went down that way. But can you imagine what it would look like if they hired an independent medical examiner to give an opinion that conflicted with the official ME report?

And since it doesn't really alter much - she could have planned to shoot first but suddenly changed her mind at the last minute- they are rolling with it.

He has never changed his opinion of which came first. In fact he was never even asked that question by anyone until he was deposed by the defense and then he answered truthfully, imo.

IMO

 

[panthera]

Nothing else has been presented that shows this.
They're trying to play up the braids - like TA dug them cause he liked little girls. :banghead:

Wish they would make up their minds what Travis "liked". He was (according to the defense/JA) a non-preferential pedophile who favored boys and girls???

:waitasec:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The state is not going to adopt a theory that contradicts the ME. They are stuck with his conclusions.

I really think that Juan agrees with the ME though.

 

[Karmady]

is this PPL legit? I mean... does anyone actually know anyone who pays for that? Also I wonder if Jodi had it...and if so... if they are footing the bill for this?

imo, no, PPL is not legit. PPL is not footing the bill for the defense. Arizona is. I don't know if Jodi had it or not, but if she did, she's not using it here.

 

[panthera]

I miss the old CourtTV days too. TruTV is mostly junk. If I.S. goes there will be nothing left to watch. MOO

My cable provider dropped Tru TV.

Hopefully the trial coverage will move to HLN.

 

[moonbird]

stern·er, stern·est
1. Hard, harsh, or severe in manner or character: a stern disciplinarian. See Synonyms at severe.
2. Grim, gloomy, or forbidding in appearance or outlook.
3. Firm or unyielding; uncompromising.
4. Inexorable; relentless: stern necessity.


A stern disciplinarian...that's what came to my mind. She was disciplining Travis for not obeying her, and for denying her, imo.

she wanted to punish him, for sure..

the majority of her abuse claims seems to be pointing to her being used sexually, called demeaning names of sexual reference (sl*t, wh*re), and that she was burdened with the knowledge of his alleged pedophilia. so why didn't she attack his groin?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Anyone notice that when she returned the rental car in the comments part on the reciept it said smelled of smoke

I always thought that was because she took her bloody clothes out in the desert and burned them.

 

[panthera]

Anyone notice that when she returned the rental car in the comments part on the reciept it said smelled of smoke

Yes, and therefore some speculation she burned the weapons, clothes, car mats, etc. and smoke got into the vehicle. No knowledge of JA smoking cigarettes.

MOO

 

[gitana1]

The part where he got his defensive wounds is what I called a fight. I'll use a different term than 'fight' if anyone likes, though.

The part where he was trying to be defensive. That part

I do think he tried to defend himself a bit at first. And he tried to get away. Nothing surprises me about any of that, and I agree that he was gravely disabled as the majority of that was happening (maybe not during the first slash or two). I just think JA was very successful early on in the 'part where Travis was trying to be defensive'.

The towel-drying his hair is a good theory, imho. I do think he was taken by surprise one way or another, probably.

Ok. I just think semantics matter in this case. IMO, Jodi ruthlessly slaughtered a completely defenseless man. If we even hint at the possibility that there was a "fight" or that Travis fought back, we open the door to defense claims that Travis caused Jodi to be in reasonable apprehension of imminent harm.

 

[Quester]

She elaborates later what she, I mean the assailant lady sounded like while issuing commands to Travis... (sort of like a firm whisper "quiet!!! SHHHH! Get over here!!!) and she is talking in a loud stern whisper.

Um, just like she probably did. What I feel is she really wanted to tell her story so he gets the facts straight and she is not portrayed incorrectly.

He did say something now and then "so she did this and that?

Jodi" NO she didn't do that, she was OVER here...she did that , then went over here, (there is a finger point to a paper he had drawn the layout of the bedroom)

BBM - That firm whisper JA did for the Ninja lady gave me the CREEPS!

And, it reminded me of the SUPER CREEPY whisper JA did for a few encouraging sentences on the sex tape. She just sounded evil possessed to me.

 

[BritsKate]

We'll see what happens with Jodi's expert, but I think Jodi has discredited her "battered woman" defense in so many ways that it is going to make it difficult for the expert. I think the DV expert will have to testify that "IF" what Jodi says is true, then it could cause a battered woman type response and create a distorted fear for her safety in situations that other people would not reasonably have such fears.

What say you of generalities? I'm predicting the defense DV expert testifies only to those behaviors exhibited by Jodi that could be consistent with victims in addition to a lot of generalities - like how women leave their abuser on average 7 times before leaving permanently, sexual coercion being common in IPV, etc.

 

[SoBeCzar]

Anyone notice that when she returned the rental car in the comments part on the reciept it said smelled of smoke

Do you have a link to this? Sounds very interesting. Was someone in the car with her? HMMMMMM

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I was just listening to the interrogation and she said the male ninja took money from her wallet, but she still had a bunch of cash in her jeans.

Actually, she said the bulk of her cash was in her jeans; $80 that was comprised of 4 $20 bills.

:roll eyes:

When did she do those 3 deposits? Before Mesa, or after?

TIA

 

[SkiptomyLu]

It just makes no sense to me that JA would think for a second she would be able to subdue TA with a knife. What does make sense is that the sequence of events was just as she told Det Flores.... shot first and the gun locked up. From there, she doesn't reveal what happens. But the closer her story remains to the truth, without implicating herself, of course, the more likely it matches with the evidence.

(snipped with respect)

I am not commenting about sequence. I think both have some entirely compelling points.

I think the story she tells Det. Flores in the interrogation vid. might not necessarily match the truth. I think she chooses whatever works for her as an opportunistic lie. I could speculate that she would state that the gun shot happened first because it is alarming; she can claim to not (have to) remember many details about it because it was a big alarming surprise, whereas she benefits from not witnessing "the Ninjas" stabbing Travis first because that would require 100 fold more demand of memory recall (and remembering more details) because the stabbing was drawn out, happened in many places and positions, etc., and so many more details that could easily point to her lying.

:moo: :moo: :moo:

BTW - I have lots of family that went to Auburn… I'm assuming that's what your user name implies. :seeya:

 

[Really?]

The state is not going to adopt a theory that contradicts the ME. They are stuck with his conclusions.

Really ?

 

[minor4th]

I really think that Juan agrees with the ME though.

I don't think he really cares either way - he's on solid ground no matter which came first, so there's no reason to go against what the medical expert who examined the body says. Juan's going to frame his case around what the evidence says, not speculation.

 

[Pink Panther]

imo, no, PPL is not legit. PPL is not footing the bill for the defense. Arizona is. I don't know if Jodi had it or not, but if she did, she's not using it here.

I've done a bit of research and I believe PPL was originally founded by a mormon in the 70's. Does anyone else have info on this?

 

[LambChop]

Agreed and twisting or inventing any evidence she can to support the comment in that tape. The braids, the spidies, the masturbating to boys pics, now he sodomized a young girl, he's turned on by fairy tale characters...and heaven help us all she isn't done testifying yet.

In my opinion she's simply engineering a defense strategy weaving whatever she can to bolster the minute amount of actual 'evidence' that can be twisted or manipulated to support her claims.

You forgot "tree hugging". He mentioned that on the tape.

 

[minor4th]

really ?

i.m.o. ...