Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[zoey]

Wow, okay! How many people had scheduled to go? Was it pleasure? Business? Church related?

Business. Which also would go with calling Gus the night he was found. Canciun was June 10. Travis found June 9

 

[popsicle]

Hi shantastic

Jodi brought a knife with her when she was slashing T's (and his nice lady friends) tires. I hope her little remark about T threatening to tell about the "psycho" things she had been doing (she in turn said she would reveal he was a 'pedophile with a past.') opens the door to her tire slashing being allowed into evidence. Jodi was very familiar with knives it seems.

Tex

Thanks to your name and avatar DD and I are having mexican for dinner. yummi arty:

 

[zoey]

Many of us have assumed the GSW was neither first nor last.

I believe the upper back wounds were first. TA could not have been moving much when those were made -- taking him by surprise from behind -- because they are so close together.

They are not deep, IMO, because she intended to and did inflict so many wounds in rapid succession.

Back wounds I've always thought were done when he was mortally wounded crawling down the hall or by the sink

 

[missy1974]

hey all ... just a quick note.... i see some discussion about Gus LOL here is a link to his June 2008 calendar...
http://www.legalshieldcalendar.com/appointments?m=6&y=2008
shows cancun on the 10th.
Which most of us have figured out anyway.... some of these reporters are dumb not to have asked him: the day he was killed? or the day he was found?

anyway, wanted to drop this in here quick, but gotta go Keep posting, love reading and will catch up later

 

[bobloblaw]

IIRC the tire slashing was first brought up in testimony by Kirk Nurmi on Day One, cross of Marie Hall though.

For some reason the Prosecution has been trying to avoid bringing in the stalking and tire slashing element to this trial. I'm not sure if it may open a door to mistrial or something, but its been fairly evident.

 

[Truth Detector]

That was consistent with decomp.

Thanks; I've wondered how to accurately perform this post-mortem.

I would not expect uniformity of findings with respect to data which result from decomposition/fermentation processes.

From which tissue(s) would the extraction take place?

Are multiple samples extracted and tested or only a single one?

If only one source, how is that determined, assuming availability of the entire cadaver?

Any coroners/M.E.'s present?

 

[Karmady]

I know in these more modern days (not like my old court reporter machine when new stuff was just coming in) they have a system that shoots out a transcript pretty fast, and I'm not sure when they get it, but they could get a transcript of today maybe late tonight..

I have even seen a Court Reporter on break transcribe some if something unusual came up (and provide it to both sides) My guess is yes, his helpers in the court are doing their darnedest to listen and catch things and do the old fashioned note passing! Usually lean over and scribble on his yellow legal pad? that is common.. "hey JM ME contradicted ABCDE, bring it home man..."

and he will...he'll iron things right out when he gets up to do redirect...

Which he is doing here. i can hear it coming...

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Judge: Redirect

Prosecutor (JM): Sir...Sir, in terms of the seqencing of the wounds, do you remember having an interview with this individual with the glasses? (Pointing at Nurmi) Do you remember having an interview with him?

ME: Vaguely, I do remember the Defense interview...

Prosecutor (JM): (interrupting the answer) YOU were interviewed with regard to this case right? (excitement level rising, sounding agitated)
And you have a copy of that interview don't you?

ME: I do.

Prosecutor (JM): And you WERE asked about the sequencing of these injuries weren't you?

ME: Yes

Defense: OBJECTION, leading!
Judge: Sustained

Prosecutor (JM): Alright, did you talk to them about the sequencing of the injuries?

ME: Yes

Prosecutor (JM): And...and at anytime did you stop the interview and say "no I don't want to talk to you about the sequencing of the injuries"

ME: No (sounding quiet, almost defeated? or upset)

Prosecutor (JM): And...were you asked about the sequencing of the injuries?

ME: Yes

Prosecutor (JM): And what did you tell them about the interview that you had with THEM?

ME: I felt that the gunshot wound may have been last but at any event...um,
the gunshot wounds and the wounds to the neck would have had to have come after the defensive wounds of the hands.

Prosecutor (JM): And is that what you told us today?

ME: yes

Prosecutor (JM): Now sir with regard to procedure or the process that takes place when a body is brought in...

It's my understanding that they are getting real-time feeds or "roughs" and most likely get "dailies" of the final transcription as soon as the court report can clean up the draft. The reporter is probably working on the finals during the breaks so they get the dailies soonest. But both sides would have the roughs to work with immediately. And they are usually pretty good. Just spelling errors or some shorthand.

eta: they would also have the electronic recording as well as access to the same live feeds we do so, for purposes of preparing, the "official transcript" probably isn't even necessary. They will need it on actual cross, though.

 

[Stolat]

I don't think the email showed any indication that it had actually been sent to Abe, as Jodi claimed. You have to wonder why the defense wouldn't produce the actual email to Abe, if it was in fact sent to him.

Correct. No reference to Abe whatsoever. Please refresh my memoy as to what purpose she was claiming the letter served and what patties she is claiming were involved. I caught the part where Juan was grilling her but missed the part just prior.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

HLN just giving it to JA at the moment .. making a mockery of her abuse. Now it's how her parents didn't praise her 'art' enough. Well I'm not surprised, her 'art' is not that flash!

 

[Truth Detector]

Thanks to your name and avatar DD and I are having mexican for dinner. yummi arty:

Cannibalism is illegal in my state. :tmi:

 

[TexMex]

Thanks to your name and avatar DD and I are having mexican for dinner. yummi arty:

Hi Popsicle :seeya:

Good! I am catching up on the JA trial posts today while I'm competing in a chili cook off. Turn in beans at 3 pm and chili at 4:30! iPad helps kill the down time between prepping, cooking and turn in.

Happy eating :cheers:

 

[Truth Detector]

Back wounds I've always thought were done when he was mortally wounded crawling down the hall or by the sink

I don't discount, but he would have had to have been nearly stationary, given the wounds' close proximity.

 

[paperwing]

Boy, that was just a joyful moment wasnt it? Juan at his best. Here's what I geaned. Nurmi entered the exhibit and Jodi tried to claim it was an email that had been forwarded to Travis. However, the FWD (which most email systems typically insert by default when an email is forwarded to another person) was in the subject line of the email (which is an editable field and anyone can type the letters "FWD" without it actually being a forwarded email). Additionally, Travis's name was in the "To" field AND there was a BCC present whih typically only appears when you use the blind carbon copy feature. This means Jodi secretly sent this email to someone at the same time she sent this to Travis. Juan had issue with Jodi referring to the email as "the forwarded" email because the exhibit showed no proof that in fact it had been forwarded. Juan wanted the court to refer to the exhibit simply as the email SENT to Travis. He is doing this to debunk her story.

I loved JM on this too. After hearing Nurmi's numerous okays, m'kays and ums, I started listening for these with JM, but basically knowing the answer. I have *never* heard him say 'um' - not once. He is SO streamlined and concise... and knows this case better thank even JA herself.

It was wonderful to see her during the voire dire exchange - I was imagining that she was blown away by his knowledge of minute details (you know, what she uses, dishonestly to throw people off) and I hope she had her first real sense of fear that her manipulations will NOT work on him. If she isn't scared, then she's even less bright than some say she is.

Re the email info itself: Can anyone tell me why they don't seem to have looked at or are using the full headers of these emails?? Or maybe they have and are just using the simple headers for court. (?)

So this email in question was sent TO Travis (at his behest) as a forward AND Bcc-ed to Travis as well, though she said he got 'it' later in the same day... (huh?). You can't delay a Bcc: within an email to have it get to the Bcc-ed address later than the To: address...

I totally agree with you on the irrelevance with this, since it can be faked, altered, etc. as can the actual text of a forwarded email (one can edit the email any way they choose so the 'forwardee' may get a very different email.

Full headers would be awfully helpful with this, I'm not sure how they can be fudged, but basically anything is possible with computers if one is knowledgeable enough.

I have to go back and look at the video on this - I don't even recall when they said Mr. Abdelhadi (sp?) received this email. Wonder if it was exactly the same as the one JA forwarded to Travis (eye roll).
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P.S. 'Meth lab'!!! I LOVE THIS!!! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Stolat]

This is a puzzle. I don't think there's any way Travis was unaware of her throughout the photo shoot. I do wonder why some shots were taken without a flash. A couple of the first pics were with a flash, then subsequent pics appear to have been taken without flash. The last photos, with Travis looking at the camera, and then the seated pics, the flash is on again.

I wish Melendez had given more testimony about the metadata on these photos. I believe all of the flash and exposure and settings info would have been available from his forensic tools.

Could be telling, or could be a simple matter of AF settings on the camera. Most digital cameras have auto flash settings based on angle of shots and light source. Most bathroom vanity lights are very bright and afford enough light source without flash. It can adjust quickly if enough light source available or engage if the angle requires more lighting. I'm not sure I can see her taking too much time to manually change flash settings between shots.

 

[Callisto]

Hi Popsicle :seeya:

Good! I am catching up on the JA trial posts today while I'm competing in a chili cook off. Turn in beans at 3 pm and chili at 4:30! iPad helps kill the down time between prepping, cooking and turn in.

Happy eating :cheers:

Mexican food... chili.. y'all are making me hungry!! :eat:
Good luck in your competition!

 

[nursebeeme]

afternoon peeps!

I think we all have to remember that the Juan is going to get up there (when it is his turn) and show she is a liar (basically impeach her testimony) and the jurors will "get it" when he is done with her.

I am confident in this much.

The jurors will then be able to weed thru to the real facts and get it right.

jmhoo however.

I think Arias' time on the stand has done nothing to help her defense and makes her look like a bigger :liar: than ever

:moo:

ps: I cannot wait for Juan (hopefully he does this) to show a big blow up of her "finger" when she was with flores with her hands stretched out on the table. Her finger didn't look like that crepid thing she held up in court the other day

 

[Frigga]

Not enough time for her to leave the bathroom. She was fully dressed so if she left self defense goes out the window big time. She can't say she ran downstairs to get a knife, or nor could she say she brought one upstairs because none of the knives were missing. jmo

I am of the opinion that Jodi had been carrying a knife on her (purse, backpack, whatever) for quite some time; at least since the tire slashing incidents.

Do you realize how hard it would be to slash through tires, that would take some strength, IMO.

This gal got used to handling and using a knife for angry, revengeful purposes. No knives were missing from Travis, IIRC. Jodi had it on her for awhile by this point, IMO.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Battered woman's syndrome hardly works with a woman who was essentially single, who lived in a separate state, who was not financially dependent on her so called abuser, who did not have children with her so called abuser, and who was the person making most of the contact and who drove over 1000 miles to 'surprise visit' her so called abuser. There is no basis whatsoever for this claim.

The woman who is going to come in and try and help Jodi make this claim as an expert witness is only making it more difficult for women who have a legitimate case to make a similar claim in future so shame on her.

This case shows just the opposite of a patriarchal system, here we have a case where what we see as normal gender roles were reversed somewhat. The female in this relationship was the sexual aggressor, the female in this relationship was trying to 'court' the man and made the moves towards HIM, and the female in this relationship was the one who became angry and abusive when her advances were met with indifference ... and then it was the female who became aggressive and violent towards the MAN and killed HIM.

Perhaps the prosecution could find a witness for female on male abuse, and show that it was Travis who was being abused throughout the relationship, and it was difficult for HIM to remove her from his life and why that was so.

 

[popsicle]

Thanks; I've wondered how to accurately perform this post-mortem.

I would not expect uniformity of findings with respect to data which result from decomposition/fermentation processes.

From which tissue(s) would the extraction take place?

Are multiple samples extracted and tested or only a single one?

If only one source, how is that determined, assuming availability of the entire cadaver?

Any coroners/M.E.'s present?

That result came from the pleural blood. iirc.

Eta.. they take samples from multiple sources, body fluids etc.

 

[borndem]

Any injury to the head will probably cause the victim to be in shock so whether he was shot first or stabbed he would have been in shock which is the body's reaction to a severe injury. I don't think any of his injuries were superficial as most, if not all were deep. He also had an stabbing injury to his head where a piece of his skull is missing and that would have caused him to go into shock. I believe he may have told Jodi to go for help because he was in shock and did not know what was happening to him. I don't think Travis attacked her at all. I think she took him by surprise, maybe while he was drying his hair with a towel. When your body goes into shock you sometimes can't make sense of what is happening to you. jmo

Good stuff, LambChop --

If not yet in shock -- then surely he was stunned as his body tried to deal with his injuries. Somehow he made it to the sink -- early or late in the stream of things -- but by now, Jodi was surely in control. He couldn't have put up much of a fight after, as you say, the deep head wound from the knife and the shot to & through part of his frontal lobe, and possibly by then the fatal wound to his chest. He was losing blood, too. IMO, there's no way he could have actually been a threat to her.

This is when I would have turned & left, if I had been truly only defending myself. As soon as I had him in a position not to come after me or do me harm, I'd have been outta there. And if I did not mean to kill him, but only to defend myself, I would have found a way to call 911. Find a phone booth if I didn't want it traced to my phone -- OTOH, why would I have cared if I had been honestly defending myself against him?? And IMHO, her leaving the scene and the house without notifying EMS should be an offense, too. AZ has a Good Samaritan law -- it's on a list -- but I couldn't really interpret it...

Just thinkin'