Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[shelley921]

Why would you call the police and report it? What would be suspicious about it to you? While I think Gus is a media .... I also believe that if he did receive such a call it would not have raised any flags until JA was arrested.

what would be suspicious is getting a call from a hysterical person at 3 a.m. who can't tell me what happened or why she knows the person is dead. what would you do?

 

[Stolat]

I wonder what was going through JA's mind waiting for her crime to be discovered. For 4 days she had to wait. Then, who would call HER and why would they even think of calling her?

How did JA find out when TA was discovered?

The night TA's body was found, TA's "supposed" good friend and former roommate Daniel called Jodi and told her. Frankly, I think he was warning her. This is the same guy who has reportedly visits her in jail (or his family did) and in photos with Jodi he always appears to be "that guy" the one in the background always secretly coveting his best friend's girl.

He had to have known at that point that all of TA's friends suspected Jodi and none of TA's other friends called her or made contact with her. The fact that he did so quickly and was the only one - speaks volumes to me. I think Daniel was doing one big Heads Up!!

 

[nursebeeme]

New thread to discuss the ME report

ME report: Discuss it here - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I wonder what was going through JA's mind waiting for her crime to be discovered. For 4 days she had to wait. Then, who would call HER and why would they even think of calling her?

How did JA find out when TA was discovered?

In the investigative report here (page 4) it says Jodi was calling Travis' friends wanting to know what was going on and wanted to talk to investigators. This is while they were still waiting for other detectives to arrive .. so somehow she knew that his body had been discovered almost as soon as it happened! Does anyone know who called her?

 

[missy1974]

Hi all Want to start this post by saying.... IMO Gus is an idiot, and I don't know if he was looking for the limelight, or if once he was in it, he was enjoying it, and I don't want this to seem like I am sticking up for him BUT....
He is mistaken about when he got the call. It's just plain and simple that. When she was arrested, he probably did do the right thing by calling, especially if he really did believe that she called him that night. I also heard his interview with JC on TruTV on Thursday (? I think it was Thursday), he said the records would have shown when the call was, not that he had the records to prove it.
If he should be held accountable in anyway for her phoning him, and him not calling anyone afterwards, then what about the other people she phoned that night too? should they have called too? According to Abe, she called him the night TA was found too, and he went in spy mode, and had a feeling she was responsible (this was on his first or second time he was on Dr. Drew), did he call the police with his suspicions? why not? She also called her friend from Utah, Lisa, the one that testified for the prosecution. Should she have called the police?
I get that it's totally wrong for him to be saying that she called the night he was killed, but I happen to think it's totally irresponsible for the media to have kept going with it.... when all it took was a simple google search for me to find that Gus didn't go to Cancun until the 10th, and he remembered he was going to the Cancun the next day after she called. Shoot... you'd think that Gus could have looked at his own calendar and realized he is wrong... and she must have called on the 9th (the day Travis' body was found).

Anyway... JMO and all that jazz lol I just wish the media that did interview him would have questioned him more... before running with the story over and over and over.... he would have just faded away.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

The night TA's body was found, TA's "supposed" good friend and former roommate Daniel called Jodi and told her. Frankly, I think he was warning her. This is the same guy who has reportedly visits her in jail (or his family did) and in photos with Jodi he always appears to be "that guy" the one in the background always secretly coveting his best friend's girl.

He had to have known at that point that all of TA's friends suspected Jodi and none of TA's other friends called her or made contact with her. The fact that he did so quickly and was the only one - speaks volumes to me. I think Daniel was doing one big Heads Up!!

Oh, question answered .. thank you! Maybe he called her so he could be a 'comforting shoulder' with 'benefits' ..

 

[LambChop]

what would be suspicious is getting a call from a hysterical person at 3 a.m. who can't tell me what happened or why she knows the person is dead. what would you do?

Since Travis was only 30 I would have called Sky or Chris and ask them what happened, at a reasonable hour, of course. jmo

 

[popsicle]

what would be suspicious is getting a call from a hysterical person at 3 a.m. who can't tell me what happened or why she knows the person is dead. what would you do?

He never said anything about asking her how she knew he was dead iirc. Also, it is not uncommon to not know the cause of death right away, especially in a case such as this. Besides...what are you going to report?

 

[Stolat]

In the investigative report here (page 4) it says Jodi was calling Travis' friends wanting to know what was going on and wanted to talk to investigators. This is while they were still waiting for other detectives to arrive .. so somehow she knew that his body had been discovered almost as soon as it happened! Does anyone know who called her?

Yes, Daniel called her. I just posted more details on that a few posts up. I think he was warning her.

 

[Stolat]

Oh, question answered .. thank you! Maybe he called her so he could be a 'comforting shoulder' with 'benefits' ..

Yup. That's what I was thinking too. Wondering if Gus got any shoulder time as well. We all know how she loved the papa's.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I see nothing wrong with discussing your opinion. I feel one way about it, but reading other opinions causes me to think, and consider the other side.

MOO

Not to mention that it would be boring as all get out if we all held the same opinion and coming here would mean reading only "ditto" "yep' and 'me too'

 

[shelley921]

He never said anything about asking her how she knew he was dead iirc. Also, it is not uncommon to not know the cause of death right away, especially in a case such as this. Besides...what are you going to report?

he asked her "what happened?" and she said she did not know. that is what i recall him saying he asked and her answer was she did not know. maybe i am wrong in my recollection but that's what i remember. what you report is a hysterical woman called me and said so and so is dead and she does not know what happened. can you go check? what would YOU do popsickle? NOTHING?

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Yes, Daniel called her. I just posted more details on that a few posts up. I think he was warning her.

You may be right because we know from the 911 call that she was suspected even before the police arrived.

 

[missy1974]

He never said anything about asking her how she knew he was dead iirc. Also, it is not uncommon to not know the cause of death right away, especially in a case such as this. Besides...what are you going to report?

Exactly. What is he going to say?

If a friend called me in the middle of the night, crying, saying their ex-boyfriend was dead, and I was an acquaintence of that dead person, sorry, but I wouldn't call the police. Why would I? What would I say?

 

[borndem]

I am of the opinion that Jodi had been carrying a knife on her (purse, backpack, whatever) for quite some time; at least since the tire slashing incidents.

Do you realize how hard it would be to slash through tires, that would take some strength, IMO.

This gal got used to handling and using a knife for angry, revengeful purposes. No knives were missing from Travis, IIRC. Jodi had it on her for awhile by this point, IMO.

ITA, Frigga -- No way would she go there with her plan for him that weekend with out that knife, and the gun.

Oh, I'm sure she thought her plan was so perfect. We'll see....



Plus, you never know when you might meet a steel-belted radial you don't like.

 

[Frigga]

I found this perusing through the court minutes. I thought it interesting to see the initial theory from the State and Detective Flores with the gun shot to the head being the first wound. I recommend reading the entire document as it is very informative as to the charges:

CR2008-031021-001 DT
08/18/2009
Cruelty
SUPERIOR COURT OF ARIZONA MARICOPA COUNTY
A first degree murder is “especially cruel” if the victim suffers physical pain or mental
anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer. State v.
McCray, 218 Ariz. 252, 259, ¶31, 183 P.3d 503, 510 (2008). To establish this aggravating factor, the State does not need to prove that the victim was conscious for “each and every wound inflicted.” State v. Sansing, 206 Ariz. 232, 235, ¶10, 77 P.3d 30, 34 (2003). Physical pain may be found where a conscious victim physically suffered for at least a short period of time. State v. William Herrera, Jr., 176 Ariz. 21, 859 P.2d 131 (1993) (finding victim was lying on the ground with a gash in his head for at least 18 seconds and possibly as much as two to three minutes).
The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.
The victim was then stabbed 27 times in the back, shoulders, head and chest. Cuts on the hands were defensive wounds from grabbing the knife. With the exception of two wounds, these wounds were not fatal. The two fatal wounds were a deep stab wound to the chest and then a cut across the throat. While conscious, the victim would have felt pain and mental anguish associated with these multiple wounds.
The Court finds that the State has proved that there is probable cause to believe that the offense was especially cruel under the theory that it involved both physical and mental suffering of the victim.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3846408.pdf

 

[FrayedKnot]

Thanks to your name and avatar DD and I are having mexican for dinner. yummi arty:

Lol, so are we! Charcoal grilling flap meat, peppers and onions for fajitas tonite! Nom nom nom.

 

[popsicle]

he asked her "what happened?" and she said she did not know. that is what i recall him saying he asked and her answer was she did not know. maybe i am wrong in my recollection but that's what i remember. what you report is a hysterical woman called me and said so and so is dead and she does not know what happened. can you go check? what would YOU do popsickle? NOTHING?

Gus was not friends with Travis, they knew each other only. It is 3am and Gus leaves on a trip to Cancun the next day....I mean look at what we know of him. It sounds like it didn't cross his mind again until JA was arrested. jmo

Oh btw, you probably are correct on the question.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I found this perusing through the court minutes. I thought it interesting to see the initial theory from the State and Detective Flores with the gun shot to the head being the first wound. I recommend reading the entire document as it is very informative as to the charges:

CR2008-031021-001 DT
08/18/2009
Cruelty
SUPERIOR COURT OF ARIZONA MARICOPA COUNTY
A first degree murder is “especially cruel” if the victim suffers physical pain or mental
anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer. State v.
McCray, 218 Ariz. 252, 259, ¶31, 183 P.3d 503, 510 (2008). To establish this aggravating factor, the State does not need to prove that the victim was conscious for “each and every wound inflicted.” State v. Sansing, 206 Ariz. 232, 235, ¶10, 77 P.3d 30, 34 (2003). Physical pain may be found where a conscious victim physically suffered for at least a short period of time. State v. William Herrera, Jr., 176 Ariz. 21, 859 P.2d 131 (1993) (finding victim was lying on the ground with a gash in his head for at least 18 seconds and possibly as much as two to three minutes).
The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.
The victim was then stabbed 27 times in the back, shoulders, head and chest. Cuts on the hands were defensive wounds from grabbing the knife. With the exception of two wounds, these wounds were not fatal. The two fatal wounds were a deep stab wound to the chest and then a cut across the throat. While conscious, the victim would have felt pain and mental anguish associated with these multiple wounds.
The Court finds that the State has proved that there is probable cause to believe that the offense was especially cruel under the theory that it involved both physical and mental suffering of the victim.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3846408.pdf

Under that criteria wouldn't ALL murder be considered 'especially cruel'?

 

[Truth Detector]

I know there was a bloody palm print in the bathroom that was JA but was there any sign of her blood (from cut finger) noted anywhere else in the house?

I'm not aware that there was, but she could easily explain it away by virtue of having lived there off and on in the weeks prior.