jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #49 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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  • #421
I am not sure if this was mentioned, I was just reviewing the Defense's request (that was denied) today to get rid of the DP and in the document it has Nurmi and Willmott's contact info... Willmott has an email that is "@willmottlaw.com"... what is Nurmi's?? "@gmail.com"!! I don't mean to be disrespectful toward him but come ON, seriously? A professional attorney, gmail?
Also the Stay document says "Respectfully submitted this 29th day of February, 2013" I know I live under a rock but uhh.. the 29th is next week. Any idea why it is dated incorrectly?
Here is a link to it http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/Stay.pdf
I am glad it was ~denied~
 
  • #422
Exactly. She is also learning the valuable lesson that if she lies, toys with, splits hairs or in any other way does NOT answer the question he asks her her time on the stand will become uncomfortable for her. Her words games get a smack from his imaginary newspaper (THWACK! NO!) on her nose. She CAN tell the TRUTH, but she has to WANT to tell the truth. I thought he did excellent job with her. By the last portion she really was catching on and she was giving up much, much quicker compared to the morning sessions. THWACK! NO!

Next week he will bring her on down to Chinatown. THWACK! NO!

Great post! :floorlaugh: Never reward bad behaviour. Thwack! No!
 
  • #423
See, I'm not sure everybody caught that. For dummies like me, and possible jurors, I sure wish some things were made to be more clear.
Lots of dots to connect, and some may just not do the work to make it come together.


sigh

Her very defiant, smug, and arrogant demeanor made it totally clear she is no wallflower or little waif.

The best thing for Juan yesterday is JA showed her true colors to the jury. Totally different demeanor than her 8 days of drone.

Bucked up with an attitude.

IMO
 
  • #424
I wonder if (hope) her supportive inmate pals will get wind of her behavior in court and realize she has bamboozled all of them. It would be awesome for them to turn on her. Nobody likes being a sucker. I'm sure their method of achieving justice is interesting...
 
  • #425
I do not think they are lazy and I know that they have other things they must do.

Kensie - I'm SO sorry, as I wrote that I meant to include that I wasn't talking about you directly, and then I forgot. I'm so sorry - I didn't mean to be rude or imply that.

But there have been numerous comments implying what I was talking about - and got so focused on that because it does bug me. :)

I should have written that as a stand-alone post. I'm really sorry... please don't take it personally - it wasn't meant to be. (I feel lousy). AZ is (one of) my home teams. I goofed. :(
 
  • #426
Her very defiant, smug, and arrogant demeanor made it totally clear she is no wallflower or little waif.

The best thing for Juan yesterday is JA showed her true colors to the jury. Totally different demeanor than her 8 days of drone.

Bucked up with an attitude.

IMO

Yes. My concern was that if Juan went after her she would cower and cry like an " abused" woman. But she is not. She is defiant and crazy. All she is done is show the Jury what she is capable of. I have no problem picturing her killing him now. Not any of it.
 
  • #427
Judge Stephens presides over other trials, hearings and court matters unrelated to this case (in the morning before JA and in the afternoon after JA) and works a full week, as does the court and the court personnel.

The schedule of THIS case alone is NOT a reflection of the courts' hours of operations or this judge. The judge and attorneys likely always work through lunch and probably barely have time to wolf something down (or take a working lunch unless a matter requires more formality).

This is what I've learned from court observers, folks like Beth Karas, reading HHJSS's court calendar/docket, etc.

I get frustrated at all the jabs at the laziness/cream-puff work pace of the AZ court - even though I know it's just because folks don't know about all the other stuff. So I try to set the record straight.

They all work hard, long hours every weekday, every week.

Just an FYI :)

I would think they would free up this judge for this trial alone. Like Judge Perry in Florida. Put in some hours and get on with justice. Isn't part of the justice system supposed to be swift or timely?
 
  • #428
If JA is convicted and gets the DP, where will she be housed?
 
  • #429
(re towing the BMW) I wrote quite a bit about this some while ago. In essence, to get the key out, the car would have been in neutral. Towing in neutral is death to the transmission in a rear-wheel-drive car, eventually. No lubricant is pumped to the drive shaft. :)

So, do you think the car was in neutral and that's why it was destroyed, or do you think Jodi's lying and the key was in and it was in gear? (I know nothing about this subject!) :)
 
  • #430
Plus like has been posted earlier she showed her snarky combative I'm not afraid of you or ANY man true lying self.

He set her up to appear the very in control ( freak!) that she is. Her triumphant smug grins didn't help nor did her ability to spar with a man who apparently makes her memory loss an issue by bullying her and oh btw like TA had done.

She projects her stalking self onto TA.

The JA double standard she can show up every day at TA BUT he was the jealous abusive and "trying to court me back" bad person she thinks she is portraying.

Trying to make sense whilst dogs wanting out Now!

Can anyone really imagine her creeping around the back of his house and peeping in the windows......LOL at the fact that Travis had another girl there.
 
  • #431
Kensie - I'm SO sorry, as I wrote that I meant to include that I wasn't talking about you directly, and then I forgot. I'm so sorry - I didn't mean to be rude or imply that.

But there have been numerous comments implying what I was talking about - and got so focused on that because it does bug me. :)

I should have written that as a stand-alone post. I'm really sorry... please don't take it personally - it wasn't meant to be. (I feel lousy). AZ is (one of) my home teams. I goofed. :(

Thanks. I did not take it personally and I truly appreciate your concern. I just mainly wanted to clarify what I had said because I do not always express in writing what I am thinking. Please do not feel lousy.
 
  • #432
I think Jodi hates everybody except Jodi.

I tend to believe psychopaths view people as bugs for the most part. They'll be superficially lovely and charming when they can gain something from a person and equally abusive and dismissive when that person has served their purpose.

I've read some accounts of psychopaths that express amusement at what they perceive are human frailties and fallibility - our emotions and conscience - and what 'joy' they gain from having the ability to manipulate those.

Again JMO.

I think, in actuality, psychopaths actually despise themselves first and foremost. Just my personal opinion.

I truly believe in every sense of the theory that you cannot feel anything for someone else that you aren't capable of feeling for yourself.

Their self love and adoration is a facade, hence the tremendous inner rage and hatred of others.

I am convinced that no psychopath has ever shared the entire truth of their true selves to anyone- not even each other. That would completely go against their created illusion of self love and imperviousness.

They love to share stories of how they don't feel the same vulnerable emotions that we do. How they look down on us, yada, yada, yada. How it is a game, and as you said, we are bugs to them.

If, they truly had no emotions (empathy, compassion) they would have empathy for no one- not even themselves. Yet, self preservation is at the core of all of their decisions and chess like manipulations with others. If in fact they were incapable of these things entirely-they would feel indifference I would think. For themselves and others.

Where does the rage and unmitigated anger stem from? I believe so deeply that the truth is they hate us because they envy us, and hate themselves because of that deep, hidden envy, and what it is they are lacking in. That is the BIG secret of psychopaths.

Not because they see themselves as superior, but actually inferior.

Just like I may admire someone who has a healthy family of origin or who had opportunities because of their happy, normal childhoods- while I don't envy them (I feel they are lucky and blessed), I certainly wish I had been afforded the same opportunity. I didn't, but I moved on.

I am grateful that against my circumstances I have made a good life for myself and have a loving marriage and happy children, I have managed to make the best of my traumatic circumstances and have turned them into a positive. Personally, I wish things had been different for me, but I accept that they weren't and I forge ahead with what I do have, and I am grateful.

I think Jodi and other sociopaths/psychopaths HATE the fact that we feel empathy, compassion, and deep and sincere love for ourselves and others. No matter what kind of craziness they spew- they see that other people are able to have loving, happy, fulfilling lives and they can't stand the fact that they are incapable. Even with all of the tragedies in peoples lives we make it through, we laugh, we cry, we love, we fight, we feel sorry, we feel remorse, we grieve. We truly love, and for the most part, are loved in return.

Kindness and love in all of its foibles and fallacies- pain and adulation, are rich and rewarding feelings- they also come with the good, the bad, and the ugly. Each and every rich emotion has a lesson and can be rewarding.

Jodi and other psychopaths are already imprisoned in their own hell, trapped in their own bodies and self hatred. I think they in turn unleash that fury on those they come in to contact with- and some times they just need to snuff those others out. We are left in the rubble, but we are also left with our rich and wonderful emotions to pick up the pieces and move ahead with our lives. Like so many of us 'bugs' here- too many to mention- we make the best of whatever we have been dealt and try to help the next person who comes along.

I prefer to be the bug!
 
  • #433
I wonder if (hope) her supportive inmate pals will get wind of her behavior in court and realize she has bamboozled all of them. It would be awesome for them to turn on her. Nobody likes being a sucker. I'm sure their method of achieving justice is interesting...

Agree. There was a jailmate that NG interviewed and she told NG that Jodi told her that she scattered the body parts all over the place.

That is 1 inmate she lied to for sure. Wonder how many lies she has told all of them there. Hope all her lies become known to her inmate friends and they turn on her.
 
  • #434
Kensie - I'm SO sorry, as I wrote that I meant to include that I wasn't talking about you directly, and then I forgot. I'm so sorry - I didn't mean to be rude or imply that.

But there have been numerous comments implying what I was talking about - and got so focused on that because it does bug me. :)

I should have written that as a stand-alone post. I'm really sorry... please don't take it personally - it wasn't meant to be. (I feel lousy). AZ is (one of) my home teams. I goofed. :(


I think it is implied that they are not efficient, because the last high profile case (CA), court was everyday, all day of the normal work week, and sometimes on saturdays, as the jurors wanted to get as much done as possible.

In this case it's 1030-430 mon-thur with 1.5 hour lunch and 25 minute breaks, 10 minute sidebars, etc IS ridiculous and inefficient. MOO
 
  • #435
Agree. There was a jailmate that NG interviewed and she told NG that Jodi told her that she scattered the body parts all over the place.

That is 1 inmate she lied to for sure. Wonder how many lies she has told all of them there. Hope all her lies become known to her inmate friends and they turn on her.

I'm pretty sure all the inmates there are liars. Not many will even admit guilt if you actually talk to them. Its amazing how many innocent people are in prison if you ask them...

I just wish she would get Dahmered in there. :furious:
 
  • #436
I can see December/January during the holiday season being a little slow but August? No way.

MOO

I don't know about northern CA (JA lived in Yreka) when she mentioned this - or am I confusing things... ?

In any case, I don't have any formal statistics, but I know that here in Phoenix in August, everything is done indoors, in air-conditioning, at night (in air-conditioning) and outdoor activities are limited to very early morning (in general).

Going to a restaurant is a popular respite from being "sunned-in". (A term I made up, having grown-up and lived 80% of my life in NY in the country - and regularly getting "snowed-in". AZ summers are like NY winters. People hunker down and stay indoors. Bonus points for AZ: You don't have to shovel sunshine! :)

Depending on the location, calendar and weather, restaurants can be busy or dead... the fluctuations aren't universal.

What gets me is that it didn't occur to her to do anything else - she was so focused on taking over Travis' over when he was alive that there was nothing else on her mind, even after she killed him, she was focused on latching on to another successful PPL man, it seems.
 
  • #437
I don't know about northern CA (JA lived in Yreka) when she mentioned this - or am I confusing things... ?

In any case, I don't have any formal statistics, but I know that here in Phoenix in August, everything is done indoors, in air-conditioning, at night (in air-conditioning) and outdoor activities are limited to very early morning (in general).

Going to a restaurant is a popular respite from being "sunned-in". (A term I made up, having grown-up and lived 80% of my life in NY in the country - and regularly getting "snowed-in". AZ summers are like NY winters. People hunker down and stay indoors. Bonus points for AZ: You don't have to shovel sunshine! :)

Depending on the location, calendar and weather, restaurants can be busy or dead... the fluctuations aren't universal.

What gets me is that it didn't occur to her to do anything else - she was so focused on taking over Travis' over when he was alive that there was nothing else on her mind, even after she killed him, she was focused on latching on to another successful PPL man, it seems.

Maybe, she did not think of anything else because she had no skills and no education. She had quit high school. We all know that photography was not her specialty. I think she had no goals in life pertaining to earning a living.

Although she is not physically ugly, she is not model material either.
 
  • #438
I don't know about northern CA (JA lived in Yreka) when she mentioned this - or am I confusing things... ?

In any case, I don't have any formal statistics, but I know that here in Phoenix in August, everything is done indoors, in air-conditioning, at night (in air-conditioning) and outdoor activities are limited to very early morning (in general).

Going to a restaurant is a popular respite from being "sunned-in". (A term I made up, having grown-up and lived 80% of my life in NY in the country - and regularly getting "snowed-in". AZ summers are like NY winters. People hunker down and stay indoors. Bonus points for AZ: You don't have to shovel sunshine! :)

Depending on the location, calendar and weather, restaurants can be busy or dead... the fluctuations aren't universal.

What gets me is that it didn't occur to her to do anything else - she was so focused on taking over Travis' over when he was alive that there was nothing else on her mind, even after she killed him, she was focused on latching on to another successful PPL man, it seems.

I've lived in AZ my entire life and you're right. We stay indoors from the end of May until the end of September. Most of the restaurants are packed in the evenings. It's too hot to cook, so you go somewhere else. My husband and I go out for dinner more in the summer because the oven makes the house hot.
 
  • #439
Jodi's gonna be sad when this trial is over. This is the highlight of her life.....in a few years she'll be given the needle. In Arizona, do you get your choice of last meal? Guarantee she'll have a strawberry frap.
 
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