jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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I think Jodi pulls scenes from movies she has seen and uses pieces of them as she see fits. IMO it makes lying easier to remember unless the other person has seen the same movie and realizes a lot of what is said is from a bunch of different movies.

I think she saw some movie with decorator rope used in a bondage scene. I think her basic plan was to slaughter him when he was tied up, also depicted in several movies.

Then she forgot the bed wasn't very condusive to tying anything to it. And/or my bet is Travis would not go for that at all. By this time he knew she was at least sort of psycho and I can't see him being that vunerable (thinking she would take sex pics and then leave him there til the roommates came home, I doubt he thought she was going to kill him.)

So I do believe she brought the rope but didn't get to use it in the intended fashion.

She thought somehow this rope was going to pop up and screw her so she made stories up to explain it from the beginning.

IMO
 
  • #423
well i could say i may or may not have asked for the latter with previous partners but what goes on behind my bedroom door doesn't really effect if someone is going to marry me?

theres a lot more about jodi that would make a guy not want to marry her than that. those type for things aren't really so out there over here where i live.

I agree with you . . .I don't think TA decided she wasn't the marrying type just based upon the sexual stuff (although I do think it plays a part). TA himself called her a sociopath and he recognized that something is just not right with this girl.

While I do think TA enjoyed the sex, her willingness to do anything he asked, and the ability to live out fantasies - I think JA wouldn't be the marrying type because she would always make sure he knew he wasn't living the doctorine (at least for a time with her.)

IMO TA could have repented for his sins - retained his status within the church/friends/PPL, etc and moved on with a "good Mormon girl" and start over. That would never be possible with JA. . . . she would make sure she kept him trapped in the dirty little secret sex life.

I think even the email she wrote him after she knew he was dead - about his house being her 2nd home, she was going to crash @ his house and eat his food and sleep in his comfy bed . . . .I think that email is yet another dig @ TA. He was trying to hide his sexual relations with her from his friends and roommates. He had been warned by numerous friends/church members/PPL people she was bad news and he should stay away from her. He had a roommate that was tattling on him to JA and to the other girls he was seeing, (Deanna?) that TA was involved with other girls.

This email was yet another way of making sure she was always "known" for being his girlfriend - whether TA wanted people to know that or not. She made sure to write how comfy she was living in his home - even after he was dead! This was not written for him - it was written for his family to have to know she slept in his bed, stayed in his home, was his girlfriend - (the very thing he attempted to keep secret).

She wanted recognition for editing his book, sleeping in his bed, being his girlfriend, sending Iris'es to his Grandma, bringing a picture and writing on it and included it in his memory book! The very people TA did not want to meet JA was his family members. His grandma met her once or twice - that was her only connection to his inner family.
 
  • #424
The linebacker demonstration has been mentioned many times by posters on this site. JA, aware of the ME report on the gunshot wound to the head, deliberately tried to simulate TA’s head position prior to gun discharge so that her rendition would COMPORT with the forensic evidence. She did not think through this lie well enough. According to JA, TA head was cocked to his LEFT and his head arched up slightly. JA claims she had a two hand grip on the gun – which means the gun will shoot straight ahead. As others have noted, a gunshot fragment based on JA account would have entered the TA skull above right brow BUT THEN TRAVELLED THROUGH MOST OF TA’s BRAIN.
Imagine what position TA would have had to hold his head during his “linebacker tackle” that would have allowed JA to shoot TA in the head AND with the bullet fragment winding up behind his left mandibular condyle???

CONCLUSION 1
Such a position would have been preposterous!

Also noted before, based on the JA account the gun discharged “contemporaneous” with the linebacker tackle. SO we would expect entry wound skin burns and powder stippling above his right brow.
This was not the case. SO JA, based on her tale, must have shot TA well before the tackle contact so the distance from gun nozzle and his forehead had to be several feet.

CONCLUSION 2
This JA assertion then contradicts forensic on several levels.

Also, the JA assertion that the gunshot to TA head did NOT abort his rage or his fierce menacing motions is prima facie ABSURD.


Finally the idea that JA “reasonably “ perceived “correctly” that her life was at stake during the initial melee is problematic.

TA was unarmed and naked. JA freed herself once allowing her free travel down the hallway and into the closet. She then slammed the closet door shut. She then claims she aimed to “de escalate” the situation by jumping up on a tall shelf to obtain a gun. This event was also miraculous. How did JA know at that critical instance that this gun – seen in prior months – was still where she remembered it had been placed? What if TA had moved the gun to another shelf? How did she know that the gun was loaded AND READY TO FIRE? Did JA – while everybody was sleeping secretly- re-confirm that this gun was located high on the shelf and that bullets were appropriately placed into the chamber?

Or was JA extraordinarily LUCKY that she managed to guess correctly that the gun she remembered in months past during housecleaning was STILL THERE UNDISTURBED, UNUSED, LOADED and ready to fire??
Did the memory of this gun discovered during housecleaning months before JUST POP INTO HER HEAD at that critical juncture when she was under attack and in a “fight or flight mode”?

CONCLUSION 3:
WOW – That is a very convenient memory.


She stepped on a shelf – the edge – to reach up that high without disturbing the shoes sitting on the lower shelf. This claim CANNOT be simulated . She cannot obtain enough purchase on a lower shelf in order to bear her entire body weight with her toes clinging less than an inch on the lower shelf.
For her to:
1) Remember the gun location
2) Go directly to this gun location
3) Climb her way to the top shelf
4) Grab the gun
5) Climb back down from her step upwards
6) Balance her legs back onto the closet floor
7) Position the gun into her hand or hands such that she had control of the trigger
Would take vastly more time than it would take TA to open the closed closet door and run a few steps to grasp her and disable her in the closet.

CONCLUSION 4:
The JA “closet story” is also ABSURD.

I have shelves in my closet and bathroom like Travis's. If you step on them they flip up because of the weight.

If you go with Jodi's story there were two times she had to get out of the bedroom,
but she armed herself twice and killed Travis.
 
  • #425
I don't remember where I heard this suggestion but what if she wanted him to die with the sin of fornication on his soul. He was devout but sinning. Recall that when she shared her concern about oral sex with a Mormon girl, that girl told her to get to the bishop and confess ASAP and to wear her seat belt on the way so that she wouldn't die before she confessed it and made peace with God. She knew she was going to kill him and he would meet God with an "unclean" soul. His mortal as well as his eternal life were taken by her.

This fits perfectly with the old Mormon "blood atonement" practice. They used to do a throat-slitting of members who committed the worst sins.

They believed that some sins were so huge that Christ's having given his blood for our forgiveness wasn't enough. You'd have to give your own blood, ear-to-ear.
 
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Ok she did it I agree but why the long method of seduction, camera pics, struggle and death? Why not just do the job and get out? If this was so well planned in advance then why summit yourself to a struggle to eventually offer the fatal blow. This part I am struggling with. You don't bring a gun thinking just in case I might need it. You bring a gun to use it and get it over with.

She didn't want to just shoot him and get it over with. She needed him to feel the pain she felt. She wanted him to KNOW why she was killing him. A knife was the perfect way to do this.

I think the gun was 'insurance'---in case a roommate suddenly appeared. Or if TA tried to overpower her, she could resort to the gun.
 
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I thought that, too, but Juan made it clear yesterday his feet were towards the bathroom???
I'm confused.

Me too, however looking at the gathered sheet or towel, the bulk appears to be from the torso. From lifting people for years in my career, that is what it appears like to me. If you put the towel or sheet under the legs, it is harder to move someone and the sheet or towel would come out. JMO
 
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Just a comment about JA's performance yesterday at the end of cross when she was hiding under her hair and sobbing so = LIAR.

Watching the small live stream, I really couldn't tell if she was really crying, but watching it on a large screen at home last night, I could clearly see there were absolutely NO tears. If she had been crying as she was attempting to show, her face would have been dripping wet, but her face was clearly dry. I don't think crying is in JA's nature and she wouldn't cry, especially in front of an audience, because her makeup would have run and she would not have let her make up run or wear off with out knowing Mr. DeMille was there ready to give her an new application.

That and watching her during the request to unseal documents, she appears totally un-phased. Almost as if this is just a routine thing. I was thoroughly disgusted with the way she was presenting herself after the jury was out of the room. She has NO remorse.
 
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i'm still trying to figure out how this camera hit the mat, then bounced a couple of times before it came to rest when she says she was KNEELING.

is it a rubber camera?

I agree. Her claim that it bounced and she fumbled it like a football (before he charged her like a linebacker) seems like another example of her one detail too many stories.
 
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Slightly OT
Good heavens. Listening to the story on HLN about the man and the sink hole. Do you think there are any sink holes in the jail we could put Arias' in??
We wouldn't have to listen to Nurmi's re-direct that way. lol
 
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Where was the shower mat that JA talked about yesterday? I can't remember it being in the bathroom . . . .could she have used the bathmat as a sheet or towel to move the body? if it were rubberized on one side - she could have put the rubberized side toward TA's body to provide extra grip on him.
 
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PEAK MOMENT: When she mouthed "I am sorry" to Nurmi for refusing to follow his directions to STFU.

I didn't catch it. Does anyone have a clip of this?
 
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My spidey sense tells me there was a huge argument about what to use for her defense. I think her DT wanted to go for insanity but JA's ego would not allow it. They laid out for her the possible defenses and she chose which one she would like to use. SHE HAS TO BE IN CONTROL.

Then Nurmi warned her that she would have to act vulnerable, weak, clingy and shy. She said she could do it. But she couldn't. When skillful Juan confronted her she showed her true self by answering with arrogance. He would NOT make her obey him to just answer yes or no. She would NOT allow herself to be dominated or be under his control. Exactly what he wanted to show to the jury- her true aggression.

My favorite part is where **Juan** says "Was that the reason?" and she answers "Part of the reason." And he says "Yes or no, ma'am" and she says "Part of the reason" three rapid times in a row, thus demonstrating her complete refusal to submit to any form of domination over her.

Juan, all I can say is "I AM NOT WORTHY!" He is the man and has his reasons for doing everything he's done. My anxiety that this might turn out like the CA case has definitely subsided.

PEAK MOMENT: When she mouthed "I am sorry" to Nurmi for refusing to follow his directions to STFU.


Absolutely. Nurmi kept objecting, using the words "she has said over and over she does not remember". Yet Jodi kept running her mouth.
And yes, she wants control. For example when asked about a text message "fight" she refuses to answer until her word "argument" is used!
 
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I think it's possible that in all the panic when TA was found, the casing could have been inadvertently hit with a shoe and moved to a secondary place. Who would have noticed a casing among all the blood pools all over the place? The blood would have been dried (at least somewhat) by the time he was found, so it could have landed on top of a pool of blood.

So based on the casing's position on the blood, either case could be made, that the shot was first or last, because the casing may or may not have been moved.

Didn't only one of the male roommates actually go into the bathroom? If that is so I doubt he did much other than peek in and quickly get out. Doesn't seem like he or others would have mulled around in that room with him being in that position in the shower. I would think whoever went into his room looking for him would have been quietly walking and looking around carefully for fear what they might find.:seeya:
 
  • #435
maybe she just has hold of his arm and is getting ready to get him back into the bathroom. we know that's where he was when she cut his throat so that would make sense too. there's just so much we'll never know even though this is the closest thing to having a murder captured on film i've ever seen.

I hate to say this but I just looked and I believe he is still being stabbed and is defending himself at this point. Blood from the chest wounds would be pouring profusely over his body before the throat wound ever occurs.

It is very startling/disturbing to look at this picture in this new way.

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JA is self-diagnosed with what we now know is 'fognesia' -- beginning at what she labels her "Defining Moment". __________________

I HAD to bring this over from the last thread from Truth Detector

Arias has FOGNESIA !!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Which caused her to really fog-up...
 
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This fits perfectly with the old Mormon "blood atonement" practice. They used to do a throat-slitting of members who committed the worst sins.

They believed that some sins were so huge that Christ's having given his blood for our forgiveness wasn't enough. You'd have to give your own blood, ear-to-ear.

This is fascinating considering Mormonism is a relatively "newer" religion. Do the youth learn all these doctrines, history and lessons in Sunday School (if you will)? I would think one would have to learn all these things over time. Thank you for enlightening me. This is really interesting.
 
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That and watching her during the request to unseal documents, she appears totally un-phased. Almost as if this is just a routine thing. I was thoroughly disgusted with the way she was presenting herself after the jury was out of the room. She has NO remorse.

I was proud of Juan's response - leaving it to the court's discretion.
 
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This fits perfectly with the old Mormon "blood atonement" practice. They used to do a throat-slitting of members who committed the worst sins.

They believed that some sins were so huge that Christ's having given his blood for our forgiveness wasn't enough. You'd have to give your own blood, ear-to-ear.

Ok, that is seriously effed up!
 
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