jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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  • #341
I am sure I am not the only one who noticed how she was trying to contort her head to the angle in which the bullet entered it.


The linebacker demonstration has been mentioned many times by posters on this site. JA, aware of the ME report on the gunshot wound to the head, deliberately tried to simulate TA’s head position prior to gun discharge so that her rendition would COMPORT with the forensic evidence. She did not think through this lie well enough. According to JA, TA head was cocked to his LEFT and his head arched up slightly. JA claims she had a two hand grip on the gun – which means the gun will shoot straight ahead. As others have noted, a gunshot fragment based on JA account would have entered the TA skull above right brow BUT THEN TRAVELLED THROUGH MOST OF TA’s BRAIN.
Imagine what position TA would have had to hold his head during his “linebacker tackle” that would have allowed JA to shoot TA in the head AND with the bullet fragment winding up behind his left mandibular condyle???

CONCLUSION 1
Such a position would have been preposterous!

Also noted before, based on the JA account the gun discharged “contemporaneous” with the linebacker tackle. SO we would expect entry wound skin burns and powder stippling above his right brow.
This was not the case. SO JA, based on her tale, must have shot TA well before the tackle contact so the distance from gun nozzle and his forehead had to be several feet.

CONCLUSION 2
This JA assertion then contradicts forensic on several levels.

Also, the JA assertion that the gunshot to TA head did NOT abort his rage or his fierce menacing motions is prima facie ABSURD.


Finally the idea that JA “reasonably “ perceived “correctly” that her life was at stake during the initial melee is problematic.

TA was unarmed and naked. JA freed herself once allowing her free travel down the hallway and into the closet. She then slammed the closet door shut. She then claims she aimed to “de escalate” the situation by jumping up on a tall shelf to obtain a gun. This event was also miraculous. How did JA know at that critical instance that this gun – seen in prior months – was still where she remembered it had been placed? What if TA had moved the gun to another shelf? How did she know that the gun was loaded AND READY TO FIRE? Did JA – while everybody was sleeping secretly- re-confirm that this gun was located high on the shelf and that bullets were appropriately placed into the chamber?

Or was JA extraordinarily LUCKY that she managed to guess correctly that the gun she remembered in months past during housecleaning was STILL THERE UNDISTURBED, UNUSED, LOADED and ready to fire??
Did the memory of this gun discovered during housecleaning months before JUST POP INTO HER HEAD at that critical juncture when she was under attack and in a “fight or flight mode”?

CONCLUSION 3:
WOW – That is a very convenient memory.


She stepped on a shelf – the edge – to reach up that high without disturbing the shoes sitting on the lower shelf. This claim CANNOT be simulated . She cannot obtain enough purchase on a lower shelf in order to bear her entire body weight with her toes clinging less than an inch on the lower shelf.
For her to:
1) Remember the gun location
2) Go directly to this gun location
3) Climb her way to the top shelf
4) Grab the gun
5) Climb back down from her step upwards
6) Balance her legs back onto the closet floor
7) Position the gun into her hand or hands such that she had control of the trigger
Would take vastly more time than it would take TA to open the closed closet door and run a few steps to grasp her and disable her in the closet.

CONCLUSION 4:
The JA “closet story” is also ABSURD.
 
  • #342
Did anyone else catch the jealousy in her about the closet? She had to mention that it was larger than her cell. Like the jury is going to feel for her because now she lives in a cell smaller than the closet of Travis Alexander. It was pure jealousy and rage in her at that moment and she couldn't hide it. She wanted to be Travis, to 'Mirror-Match'. When he said 'no' months before and started to push her out is when her plan went into action. I believe she moved to Grandpa's house because she knew she could manipulate and steal from them easier than the parents. She knew weapons were at the house as well. This plan was formulating waaaay before May 28.

IMO

She makes me ill

Her cell living, Yes and Juan Martinzez made it very clear, for the record and for the court room , that NO ONE had asked her where she was living. My understanding is the courts go to great lengths to not make a defendent look like a criminal and not disclose if they are in custody so that they may get a fair and unbiased trial. I think she deliberatly wanted to let the Jury know that she has been living in a small cell because of the murder, either to use for her appeal or to garner sympathy and show she has suffered because of Travis.
 
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I don't think she keeps them straight either. I'm just saying that has to be a 'script' somewhere. She adds SO much detail to her stories!!

I think Jodi pulls scenes from movies she has seen and uses pieces of them as she see fits. IMO it makes lying easier to remember unless the other person has seen the same movie and realizes a lot of what is said is from a bunch of different movies.
 
  • #345
Ok, so I'm trying to make sense of the knife scenario

If I am to go on the assumption that Travis did not know he was being photographed and that the last photo of him looking at the camera was the last photo of him alive - then how did she get him to open the shower door so she could stab him?

If he saw her there with a knife, all he had to do was keep the door closed and maintain the barrier.

Help anyone?

Think of yourself when you are done taking a shower. Get out, step onto the mat, grab towel and start drying and/or wrapping yourself in a towel. If you start with your hair/face you wouldn't see what is coming such as a crazy woman with a knife.
 
  • #346
i'm going to read here, but i really don't feel like i'm up for re-direct. i just can't with nurmi anymore.
and the DV witnesses are only going to make me angry. i know they're going to have to twist their opinions into knots to make it FIT her, and it will just be BS from hired guns. i just can't.

i want to see rebuttal. that's going to bring this case home. can't wait for that! i'm hoping for some surprises that seal the deal.

(already sealed for me.)

thats how i feel. nurmi is just so draining. and ja with her long winded replies.but i think he can only question her on what juan crossed her on? but im sure he could spin that out for at least another 5 days.

one can live in hope that he has no recross
 
  • #347
how about this.....the last photo with his face looking surprised....he sees her taking pics, he opens the shower door to knock the camera out of her hand....she raises the camera up in the air out of his reach.....click.....as he is reaching up for it she brings the knife up into his heart????

eta: click= the ceiling pic...
 
  • #348
someone posted up thread about not believing she went to Mesa with the sole purpose to kill him.

I honestly disagree. With all the pre-planning she did... the gas cans, stealing the gun, turning off her phone before she got to AZ, and then turning on when she got out of AZ, not to mention the license plates. To me, its total premeditation.

Juan got her to admit that she could have basically picked an alertnative solution to going back into the closet and getting the gun. She could have gone down the stairs and out the door. He was naked FGS, he wouldnt have chased her outside and her stuff was already in the car, right?? But it wasnt like that at all, she ambushed him. She stabbed him first (cause she admitted she knew where the gun casing was, inadvertantley) and when he didnt die fast enough, or she freaked out realizing she HAD attacked him, she had to finish it. She wouldnt leave him there dying, she would finish him before she left. *remember she said talking to Flores she would have done it more humanely, that was her version of humane, making sure he didnt suffer anymore than the attack, of which sge DID want him to feel* IMO the gun shot was last. He was probably still making noises and she wanted to be ABSOLUTLEY sure he was dead, she was determined to get away with this. She obviously didnt want ANYONE to know that she was going to Mesa, besides the boyfriend(s) she let in on her plan, which i think she told MM at the very least. And she destroyed and covered up by calling/texting and emailing Travis after she KNEW he was gone AND getting rid of the gun/knife/clothes.

I dont know where or how she cleaned up, but to me that doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things.

She planned this out. MAAAYBE with the hopes he would be with her again and take her to Cancun, but Im thinking if Plan A didnt work, she was prepared for Plan B.

again, JMO

I guess that's what I was trying to say. I thought Plan A (which she didn't have much hope for) was that he'd change his mind and say she could come to Cancun. But she was all ready with Plan B, had it carefully planned out. But if he'd changed his mind, she wouldn't have killed him. That's what I meant by it not being the "sole" reason.
 
  • #349
Think of yourself when you are done taking a shower. Get out, step onto the mat, grab towel and start drying and/or wrapping yourself in a towel. If you start with your hair/face you wouldn't see what is coming such as a crazy woman with a knife.

ok now that is good! i had never thought of that.

totally possible while travis was doing that SHE was the one who "linebacker" charged him with the knife
 
  • #350
I just had an aha moment with one of the photographs.

http://s1321.beta.photobucket.com/u...a/Camera Photos/travis18_zps79bb516b.jpg.html

As I have been looking at this one, I assumed the streaks on his leg was wet body hair. Suddenly I realized that he hated body hair, so it couldn't be--his legs are hairless in his nude photos on the bed shortly before.

OMG - it is blood streaks. You can see his upper body is washed clean and there are no visible stab wounds on the chest even though the right side of his chest has stab wounds in the autopsy photos. I think the shower spray has washed blood off his upper body but not the lower body. You can see blood and water under his body near the drain.

Which means he bled standing up (at the sink?) before this picture was deliberately taken by the murderer standing over him. She would need a cup to rinse the blood off the rest of his body because she was bleeding too and couldn't take the chance that some of her DNA would be on his body.

Yesterday I felt lightheaded after looking at the wounds in poor Travis' back. One expert said that he would have had to be immobile for her to have been able to have stabbed him so many times in such a small area. I just can't wrap my head around that.

Also, I am plagued by the question of why in the photo of JA's leg/foot/Travis' head & shoulder -- why does she appear to be dragging him AWAY from the shower???

All of the above only JMO and I welcome any/all other takes on this. I may be changing from the knife first to the gun first camp (not that it matters- still a heinous butchering of a terrific guy by a psycho ***** from hell).

There are two pictures of him in the shower without his head showing. This one and another one where you can see more of his arm. Do you have any idea where they could both be seen???
 
  • #351
I think JA's downfall other than slaughtering TA was she has claimed self defense. I think it has been proven that it was not self defense. I feel like she got mad at TA, went into an uncontrollable rage and then when she realized what she had done, she panicked and started making up these beyond stupid lies. I think she should have pleaded temporary insanity.

I have not followed the trial as closely as others so please don't throw stones at me. This is mearly my observation from what I have basically read here and the pieces of time that I have listened to the trial on my phone.

To me, the lies, lies, lies and more lies and the fact that she brutally killed him deserves the DP. No remorse has been shown towards Travis.

My spidey sense tells me there was a huge argument about what to use for her defense. I think her DT wanted to go for insanity but JA's ego would not allow it. They laid out for her the possible defenses and she chose which one she would like to use. SHE HAS TO BE IN CONTROL.

Then Nurmi warned her that she would have to act vulnerable, weak, clingy and shy. She said she could do it. But she couldn't. When skillful Juan confronted her she showed her true self by answering with arrogance. He would NOT make her obey him to just answer yes or no. She would NOT allow herself to be dominated or be under his control. Exactly what he wanted to show to the jury- her true aggression.

My favorite part is where **Juan** says "Was that the reason?" and she answers "Part of the reason." And he says "Yes or no, ma'am" and she says "Part of the reason" three rapid times in a row, thus demonstrating her complete refusal to submit to any form of domination over her.

Juan, all I can say is "I AM NOT WORTHY!" He is the man and has his reasons for doing everything he's done. My anxiety that this might turn out like the CA case has definitely subsided.

PEAK MOMENT: When she mouthed "I am sorry" to Nurmi for refusing to follow his directions to STFU.
 
  • #352
Yes he did. I cannot seem to find the video of it though. I believe it was on day 6 morning session but it's not on youtube.

The Huffington Post has these items as being stolen:

Police Department, investigated the reported theft of a .25 caliber gun, $30 in cash, a stereo and a DVD player from Arias' grandparents' home.



http://mycrimetime.blogspot.com/2013/01/jodi-arias-murder-trial-enters-into.html

Jurors viewed photos of Arias's grandparents home and heard from Officer Friedman on the items that were reportedly taken: the handgun, $30 in cash and a DVD player were taken. Just as importantly, Prosecutor Juan Martinez pointed to items that weren't taken, such as the television, Arias's laptop, and stacks of quarters were located immediately above the cabinet where the 25 caliber gun was taken. Other guns remained untouched in the home.
 
  • #353
I am one hundred percent sure he did NOT KNOW she was taking those photos.

But the shower door was open when those pictures were taken. I'm of the opinion that he knew she was taking those pictures. They look posed to me.
 
  • #354
ITA with her intending to stage it to look like 2 people did it!!! :great:

I think that idea was kind of put in her head by Det. Flores. I remember hearing one of the interrogations, or perhaps it was in a phone call that Flores said something to the effect we might be looking for two people ?
I know I heard it, and now I'm almost sure it was in a phone call.
As soon as I heard it I knew that's where she got the story/lie number 2
 
  • #355
I just had an aha moment with one of the photographs.

http://s1321.beta.photobucket.com/u...a/Camera Photos/travis18_zps79bb516b.jpg.html

As I have been looking at this one, I assumed the streaks on his leg was wet body hair. Suddenly I realized that he hated body hair, so it couldn't be--his legs are hairless in his nude photos on the bed shortly before.

OMG - it is blood streaks. You can see his upper body is washed clean and there are no visible stab wounds on the chest even though the right side of his chest has stab wounds in the autopsy photos. I think the shower spray has washed blood off his upper body but not the lower body. You can see blood and water under his body near the drain.

Which means he bled standing up (at the sink?) before this picture was deliberately taken by the murderer standing over him. She would need a cup to rinse the blood off the rest of his body because she was bleeding too and couldn't take the chance that some of her DNA would be on his body.

Yesterday I felt lightheaded after looking at the wounds in poor Travis' back. One expert said that he would have had to be immobile for her to have been able to have stabbed him so many times in such a small area. I just can't wrap my head around that.

Also, I am plagued by the question of why in the photo of JA's leg/foot/Travis' head & shoulder -- why does she appear to be dragging him AWAY from the shower???

All of the above only JMO and I welcome any/all other takes on this. I may be changing from the knife first to the gun first camp (not that it matters- still a heinous butchering of a terrific guy by a psycho ***** from hell).

I did go back to find the nude pic on the bed and you're right - he has no visible hair on his legs in that picture.
 
  • #356
She's so brazen. Her behavior has demonstrated she must always be right, she's the smartest one in the room, she has no ability to compromise or cooperate, she is confrontational, and she'll get even if you try to muck with her. She'll show you, you stupid, foolish, moronic 🤬🤬🤬 idiot.

I'm still shocked that she behaved so belligerently. Is there any way this was done on purpose to dovetail with a battered woman defense? Or can she just not help herself from being such a hateful being?

And I can't believe that anyone believes that JM "broke her." No way. It was all contrived, totally. She was totally aware of every question and nuance of every response, even when she was "sobbing" and "emotional." I don't think she was crying at all, except as an act. She wasn't crying about what she did, or what could happen to her, or from the "trauma". It was only for the jury's benefit, and she repeatedly peeked out from the hair and hands to gauge the audience. I hope the jury gets that.

I don't believe in the DP, but it's fine with me if she gets it. She's dangerous and without a conscience or any redeeming value.
I firmly believe she's a psychopath so she doesn't fully comprehend others hatred so to speak. She knows she 'looks bad' if that makes sense though. She tried, many times, to control her anger but its omnipresent and for so long being scrutinized, being made accountable, it is almost impossible for even the most charming and affable of psychopaths to maintain their humanity.

I see no logical way of how this could be woven into her defense. Abuse victims have a very reasonable window of anger post-abuse. A sense of righteous indignation, if you will. It's one of the stages of emotional recovery and some spend far longer in it than others.

I'll fully admit I became belligerent in court as well though on a much smaller scale. I was just weeks into divorce proceedings and overwhelmingly frustrated trying to 'prove' my abuse to the court's satisfaction while my then husband was actively stalking me and threatening to kill me. It was maddening. They were helpful enough to order mediation which found me completely alone in an elevator with my abuser. ;)

IMVHO though that is far different than 4 1/2 years away from an abusive relationship with your abuser having no current role in your life and therefore no ongoing abuse of the victim, the courts, shared children, or using proxies to further abuse. All very legitimate reasons another victim may hold onto his or her anger for a long time post-abuse.

MOO
 
  • #357
And she EVEN said which way he turned it. However, my memory is not as clear as JA and I don't remember if he turned it left or right.

SHOW US THE LINEBAKER POSE ~ but don't talk !! lol

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPu3nLwEjAo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPu3nLwEjAo[/ame]
 
  • #358
But the shower door was open when those pictures were taken. I'm of the opinion that he knew she was taking those pictures. They look posed to me.

but we don't know for sure that it was closed in the first place? i leave my door thing open about 80& of the time. im still on the fence with him knowing/not knowing but my gut feeling is he didn't know initally she was there then the last few he knew. the last photo with him faceing the camera head on just freaks me out,all i can see is fear
 
  • #359
My personal belief is TA did not see any weapon until just before the ceiling lights picture. But didn't she say the shower door was open for the face shots? I can't tell in any of the pix whether the door is open or not.

In order for there to be pics of Travis in the shower from waist up, wouldn't the shower door HAVE to be open? He wasn't THAT tall nor would the door have been that short?? :waitasec: ??
 
  • #360
But the shower door was open when those pictures were taken. I'm of the opinion that he knew she was taking those pictures. They look posed to me.

JA was probably pointing the gun at him, telling him to pose~ MOO
I too, think she left ot pretended to leave and came back
 
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