jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Is Nurmi a public defender? Or is she paying him? And why in the world did she talk so much to the detective without an attorney?

Because she thinks she is invincible and smarter than everyone else. And cute. She thinks she is awful cute and people will just melt and do what she wants and think what she wants them to think.

 

[polleypockets]

Is Nurmi a public defender? Or is she paying him? And why in the world did she talk so much to the detective without an attorney?

yes - when the case first started nurmi was a PD - he has since opened a private practice - but the state is still paying him to rep jodi

 

[Pink Panther]

I think Jodi said Travis was right behind her as she ran down the hall and went into the closet (to save herself instead of committing suicide by going out the door) and slammed the closet door on Travis and got the gun and went out the door near the shower. I'd think Travis would be able to open the door and get her before she climbed the shelves to get the gun. She has herself back in the bathroom facing Travis as he comes running out of the closet. Do you think Jodi knows about blood splatter? She sure doesn't understand basic physic and the laws of gravity.

At the very least wouldn't one of the two of them have knocked something around in there? The pristinely placed stool smack in the middle of the action or a piece of clothing (otherwise very neatly folded)? NOTHING IS OUT OF PLACE IN THE CLOSET. NOT A SINGLE THING. Besides, remember, she'd shot him already. He's confused and mad. Not a single drip of blood in the closet? Even a smidgen??? Only JA could shoot a guy in the face and have him chase her down a hall and into and through a closet without a drip, a drop, a single drop of blood in the closet.

I have no faith left in juries.

But man oh man - one would really have to be brain-dead not to understand the difference between what the evidence shows and what this pees-oh-crap be telling.

moo

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yeah, I see your point. I would caution you against using your (normal human) standards of reasonable behavior to evaluate the behavior of a psychopath, but I do see your point.

My guess is because in the bath she would have to lift him. In the shower she can just drag him.

 

[Quester]

Juan's pen.

Again? Darn! I was seeing knife handle, gun barrel, etc

 

[megmono]

It's kind of not logical to me. She stuffed him in the shower, then got in and washed herself off while his body was most likely blocking the drain, and everything she was washing off herself was washing off on him? I don't know, but it doesn't quite make sense to me. I think she either used the tub or the bathroom downstairs. If it was the bathroom downstairs, she stripped off her ninja costume and left the bedroom. (ETA - I think she had one of those ninja masks on --- This thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaclava_(clothing))...She was beyond surprised when Dett. Flores said they had a sample of her hair.

moo

and she told flores the ninjas had them on

 

[Ada]

IMO she has a soft spot for dogs.


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I don't think she really does. I think she pretends to because she believes that she should. In the pic of her hugging the dog it doesn't look natural to me. Maybe it's because I loathe her so or maybe it's because she is pretending to give a crap about the dog.

 

[G&AMom]

Take a look at the other pics, besides the one with the full face. If you see one where you think it looks like the door is closed, will you link it for me? I am having trouble seeing anything that indicates a closed shower door.

Also, how would shooting pics through the shower door effect the focus or autofocus?

My DSLR camera came with a strap (I had to thread it through myself).

I hadn't thought about the focus problem. I have tried to take pictures through a window, and it is not easy to get the focus right. The camera kept trying to find the correct focus and kept shifting from second to second. Of course, my windows aren't that clean :floorlaugh: but I would think the shower door being closed would cause a problem because the autofocus would be distracted by drops of water on the glass.

Sorry, but I just can't bring myself to look at the photos.

 

[Hally]

You know what? I was just looking at the pictures in order. And there is like 5 back shots in the shower. I bet that is her making him turn around thinking, " Will this work? She has his back to her and is going to start stabbing and then gets him to sit down because she realizes he is most vulnerable that way. But I think all those back pictures, she was thinking she would start stabbing him then.

Yes I agree - premeditated for sure in regards to the back shots. The first stab is in his heart, to which he has no control or option to defend himself.

Many people have brought up she had the gun to him at this time, and that may be. To get him to pose. I believe the gun shot was the last wound inflicted 100%. She stabbed him and saw his pain, agony,and paralysis before his final last breath.

 

[minor4th]

Laziness - and less efficient. She's not normal, remember... it wouldn't bother her in the least to stand over Travis to wash herself off. Not at all.
imv

She may not have even washed off at all. She just had to make sure she wasn't dripping blood or tracking blood with her feet. She clearly was standing on the carpet near the tile with bloody feet tracking it around in that one area. She could have stripped down right there - wiped herself off with the inside of her murder shirt or pants, put on clean clothes and carried Travis' bloody clothes downstairs to the laundry and taken her own bloody clothes with her, along with the gun and knife and imaginary rope.

 

[Pink Panther]

I don't know why it's not readily available on the internets...There is an additional picture that I can't find but it's there. There is the picture of TA looking into the camera, and then the pic of him seated in the shower without his head in view. There is a THIRD, where his head is not visible but his arm is raised up above his knee. I've seen it but can't find it. Am I the only one who has seen this pic?

moo

 

[borndem]

I'm confused about something (don't hit me!) :truce:

I'm confused about how (and if) all the things JA did after the murder, and they are numerous, in her effort to avoid arrest/detection/leave evidence she was there... everything AFTER the actual crime - is part of premeditation. (?)

I absolutely believe she planned the whole thing in advance, so I'm not disputing that at ALL. And I understand that an innocent person who killed someone in self-defense isn't likely tp act as she has (if there's even been a single case of it - ever), but I'm not quite understanding how (or if) these post-murder actions are considered premeditation... and if not - what is it? Just plain ol' damning beyond belief? I can live with that...

I'm not even sure my question makes sense - but you guys never cease to amaze, so I'm going to hope someone knows what I'm asking...

I am not a lawyer, and I am not familiar with AZ law, but as I understand it, premeditation means, of course, "pre-planning." Make a list; check it twice. Premeditation certainly consists of all three parts of the crime: Before, During and After.

If you plan a party, you have a list of guests to invite, food to buy and/or prepare, the where/when of it, the materials needed, the preparation of the site, the activities, the goodbyes, and then the clean-up, etc., etc.

Seems to me, pre-planning a murder is similar: who/where/when/how; the weapons needed; being sure the intended victim will be "where" he/she needs to be; the doing of it; the clean-up of evidence; and the getaway.

You must/should plan the "before the act," then "the act," and then the "after the act" to have any hope of getting away with it, IMO. So the "after the act" should certainly be part of it, and is often the most important part of it -- and it's often the place where most killers plan badly or not at all, and get caught.

HTH.

 

[minor4th]

My DSLR camera came with a strap (I had to thread it through myself).

I hadn't thought about the focus problem. I have tried to take pictures through a window, and it is not easy to get the focus right. The camera kept trying to find the correct focus and kept shifting from second to second. Of course, my windows aren't that clean :floorlaugh: but I would think the shower door being closed would cause a problem because the autofocus would be distracted by drops of water on the glass.

Sorry, but I just can't bring myself to look at the photos.

No need, and that is exactly the explanation I was looking for about the water, closed shower door and focus.

My DSLR did not come with a wrist strap, and that is what I was speaking of. I have had several, and they have all come with a shoulder strap. And yes I've always had to thread them myself too

 

[Schuby]

For Jodi cleaning up in the shower kills two birds with one stone. She gets cleaned up and, at the same time, Travis is further cleansed of evidence.

 

[LambChop]

At the very least wouldn't one of the two of them have knocked something around in there? The pristinely placed stool smack in the middle of the action or a piece of clothing (otherwise very neatly folded)? NOTHING IS OUT OF PLACE IN THE CLOSET. NOT A SINGLE THING. Besides, remember, she'd shot him already. He's confused and mad. Not a single drip of blood in the closet? Even a smidgen??? Only JA could shoot a guy in the face and have him chase her down a hall and into and through a closet without a drip, a drop, a single drop of blood in the closet.

I have no faith left in juries.

But man oh man - one would really have to be brain-dead not to understand the difference between what the evidence shows and what this pees-oh-crap be telling.

moo

Jodi did not shoot him before going into the closet. She went into the closet to get the gun and then she claims she shot him in the bathroom as she ran back in. jmo

 

[ChristYTN]

ugh, sorry my double post up there. Tablet has mind of its own.

No, wait...it was ninjas.


Ok, I want to say to all of you here at WS, I'm so thankful I joined here. I finally found a home and I already love you all, all your intelligent thoughts and we are all here to be a voice to those that can no longer speak.
Not everyone gets that there are people like us out there. There is such respect for the victims and their families and loved ones .
I've never really had a place for this and never really thought there were others with my passion for trying to give that voice and strength to the ones who lost it.

thank you.
I've already made friends here and I appreciate you all.

 

[jabberwocky]

i'm glad to know i wasn't the only person to have that picture turned around. that's what i thought too.

since we now know she was standing on the carpet and his feet are pointing towards the bathroom, i have another idea. his arm's up because he's not quite dead yet and she's not dragging him at all.

JMO I think this pic was right as,or after, she sliced his throat.

 

[G&AMom]

Is Nurmi a public defender? Or is she paying him? And why in the world did she talk so much to the detective without an attorney?

He does not work for the Public Defenders' Office but was appointed by the court and is paid by, I guess, the state. IMO this may have been done because this is a death penalty case (not really sure).

Why did she talk without an attorney? Because she thinks she's brilliant. She tried to act as her own attorney until she got into trouble over the forged pedophile letters.

I think that people that when people act as their own attorneys when the charge is anything more serious than a speeding ticket, it is a clear sign of guilt. It's a sign to me that they are used to "snowing" people and think they can do it in court.

 

[paperwing]

Again? Darn! I was seeing knife handle, gun barrel, etc

Juan's pen has been accused/suspected of being a multitude of nefarious things...

 

[Lexington]

For Jodi cleaning up in the shower kills two birds with one stone. She gets cleaned up and, at the same time, Travis is further cleansed of evidence.

This is what I think too. She had enough busy work to do without cleaning a bathtub or other shower. She dragged him into the shower, straddled him (for the last time) and probably congratulated herself for a job well done.