jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[paperwing]

Right? Where is he and who is this female narrator?

Oh, that's just DNAC.

(Definitely Not Anderson Cooper). :floorlaugh:

 

[TartLemon]

Jodi may not have had a lot of cleaning of herself to do. In the ninja story she may have been describing the way she was dressed. The clean up would have been a change of clothes is all.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

WELL this is even more unlikely. Body slam and head points south (i re watched testimony) then roll left and run down the hall, so he is standing there what? Giving you a head start? So to the end of the hall and crap kid, you went right and got in the closet.. Instead of LEAVE THE HOUSE? You confound me...

So in the closet and go for the gun, and still, he is doing what? just stood there? No WAY if he was violently coming after you, you recover from Body slam (and point the wrong way lady) and stop drop and roll (you on fire!) and run and u-turn and come back to the closet.. OH ya, you hear feet behind you running wet and naked on tile and he doesn't slip? ok...um...i think you might make yourself at home there in prison...

and she slams a door that has no lock, so he is right behind her, no way would he let her get a gun she has to climb up for

5:45 in the afternoon in Mesa, everyone and their brother is home outside, you just run downstairs and scream HELP. there. nobody is dead...see?

 

[moonbird]

Moonbird, is that a picture of Travis in your av?

yes, it is

it's from one of his friends blogs.. i'll find the link if you'd like...?

 

[seguek9]

Beth K is rocking it on CNN :cow:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I DVR'd the Dateline show and am watching it now. Something that struck me was a clip from her LE interview where she says when the masked intruders struck she "went into the closet". That closet has some significance in her story. I think there is some truth there somewhere. When did she go "into the closet" in the true sequence of events? Maybe that's where she had her weapons stashed? She said the gun was in there. Maybe the knife was too.

 

[legalmania]

I'm confused about something (don't hit me!) :truce:

I'm confused about how (and if) all the things JA did after the murder, and they are numerous, in her effort to avoid arrest/detection/leave evidence she was there... everything AFTER the actual crime - is part of premeditation. (?)

I absolutely believe she planned the whole thing in advance, so I'm not disputing that at ALL. And I understand that an innocent person who killed someone in self-defense isn't likely tp act as she has (if there's even been a single case of it - ever), but I'm not quite understanding how (or if) these post-murder actions are considered premeditation... and if not - what is it? Just plain ol' damning beyond belief? I can live with that...

I'm not even sure my question makes sense - but you guys never cease to amaze, so I'm going to hope someone knows what I'm asking...

I like to post the actually Arizona law on what premeditation is, that way you can read it and come to your own conclusion. If you would like I can post the difference between first and second degree murder.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01101.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

 

[snowcat]

Perhaps they need to re-enact that in court. Have the wind knocked out of her and see how long it takes her to recover. I'd watch. opcorn:

:giggle:

This post made my night after a bad day , thx

 

[LizardQueen74]

I DVR'd the Dateline show and am watching it now. Something that struck me was a clip from her LE interview where she says when the masked intruders struck she "went into the closet". That closet has some significance in her story. I think there is some truth there somewhere. When did she go "into the closet" in the true sequence of events? Maybe that's where she had her weapons stashed? She said the gun was in there. Maybe the knife was too.

Maybe she did jump up and get that gun...where she hid it at some point.

 

[G&AMom]

In case y'all wanna read it (Thanks to Ingra1327 who transcribed this), below or skim to next post! HTH

M: That's immediately, the shot takes him down and then creates a fog for you, is that what you're saying?
A: It begins creating a fog.
M: But you weren't struck by the shot, were you?
A: no
M: In fact, you don't have really injuries as a result of killing him do you, other than the one to your left ring finger, do you?
A: That's the only visible injury
M: Pardon
A: That's the only visible injury
M: I'm talking about visible injuries, right that's the only visible injury you have to your left ring finger, even though according to you he slammed you down, right when he got out of the shower and then he slammed you down again when he was coming at you and you had to pull the gun, according to you, right?
A: yes
M: And he's also grabbing at you while you're on the ground and he's not being gentle about it right?
A: That's correct
M: no bruising no anything, other than just the thing the injury to the left ring-finger, right?
A: I don't know if my skull was bruised
M: Pardon
A: I don't know if my skull was bruised
M: Aside from that , but uh, did you get medical care for that?
A: no
M: Did you seek medical care for your finger?
A: No I did not,not professional
M: well you do have an injury to that left ring-finger don't you?
A: yes
M: And so when you arrive out in West Jordan Utah and you see Mr. Burns, you do have an injury to your left finger, correct?
A: We're talking about two different injuries. No
M: Well ma'am you just told me when we were talking about this killing that you injured your left ring-finger, do you remember just telling me now, just no, no more than two minutes ago.
A: Yes I was referring to this injury (holds up left hand)
M: Ma'am were we really talking about this particular injury at that time?
A: I didn't know
M: Oh , you don't know we were talking about the killing at that time?
A: you talked about injury to my left finger.
M: Ma'am what have we been talking about this whole afternoon?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: June 4th
M: Pardon
A: June 4th
M: Right, we haven't mentioned any other day , right?
A: Not to my recollection.
M: You've been here throughout these proceedings and you've been asking, or you've been answering questions, right?
A: Yes
M: And as we were talking about it just now, I asked you isn't it true that the only injury as a result of this incident was this injury to the left ring-finger and you said yes, do you remember saying that?
A: I might have, but that's not what I meant
M: well ma'am you did say it didn't you
A: I don't know
M: And in fact, I followed it up by saying and you didn't seek medical care, do you remember me asking that?
A: I thought you meant about my skull
M: No, do you remember me asking you that
A: Yes
M: And do you remember you said well, not professional medical care, do you remember that?
A: I'm referring to the splint Travis made for me.
M: I know that that's what you're telling me now, but the line of questioning before involved the shooting, that's what we were talking about, right?
A: Yes, but then you went to my left finger
M: Mr. Alexander was dead after that, wasn't he?
A: Not immediately after that,
M: No, he grabbed the knife that you stabbed him with, didn't he, so he wasn't dead immediately after that, right?
N: Objection, calls for speculation she said she doesn't remember
J: Restate the question
M: And we're talking about Mr. Alexander an individual you just shot, right? So it's not like we're talking about him providing any medical care for you, are we?
A: that's right
M: You're the person that's come in here at least we know that you've indicated that you did kill Mr. Alexander , correct?
A: Yes
M: the only incident where this could have happened was on June 4th, 2008, right?
A: Yes
M: So this issue of him providing a splint or splinting your finger really doesn't have anything to do with June 4th of 2008, does it?
A: No
M: And you did say that the only injury you received was to your left ring-finger on June 4, 2008, remember that?
A: I didn't say that
M: well, yes you did and in fact you used the word physical injuries do you remember that/
N: Objection, argumentative, she said she didn't say that
J: Sustained
M: And you also indicated well I may have had some injuries to my head, do you remember that?
A: yes
M: Those were the only injuries that you sustained on June 4, 2008, remember I asked you about that and you said yes
A: that's not how I understood your question
M: so then he's down ma'am and he's to your right What happens now?
A: I break away from him and he screams out “****ing kill you *****”

You just can't make this sh** up.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I'm finallly watching the last part of yesterday, and holy moly!!! Juan is a master at his profession.

I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said, but I wish I "sobbed" as neatly and cleanly as JA does, and with such a quick recovery too! I am a truly ugly crier! We're talking tears streaming, nose gushing, head aching, eyes swollen hours later. Must be nice to be so distraught and look so normal. HA! What a phoney she is!!!!!

The morning that Nurmi was wanting to play the phone sex tape there was a hearing about the state wanting the whole tape coming in and Nurmi wanted to play snippets of it, and Jodi didn't like that. You could tell she'd been crying. Her face was puffy and red and her eyes were swollen. Not anything close to what we've seen yesterday.

 

[Melly53]

He does not work for the Public Defenders' Office but was appointed by the court and is paid by, I guess, the state. IMO this may have been done because this is a death penalty case (not really sure).

Why did she talk without an attorney? Because she thinks she's brilliant. She tried to act as her own attorney until she got into trouble over the forged pedophile letters.

I think that people that when people act as their own attorneys when the charge is anything more serious than a speeding ticket, it is a clear sign of guilt. It's a sign to me that they are used to "snowing" people and think they can do it in court.

Actually Nurmi was employed as a public defender when he was assigned the case. Later on he decided to quit and go into private practice so he asked to be taken off her case. That request was denied but it was agreed that he would be paid a rate of $225 per hour since he was no longer employed as a public defender. So he did not chose to take on her case but was assigned to it.

 

[LizardQueen74]

Click on thumbnails:

Totally missed these pics. Thx for posting!

 

[otto]

Hi everyone, I know I'm late with this, but yesterday it was being discussed about how JA was laughing behind her hands during her testimony and someone was going to post a picture (I was waiting, but left the thread and then couldn't find it again). Can someone point me to the thread with the photo in it, if it was uploaded?

TIA!!!

I saw the footage and indeed her mouth corners seemed to shape into a smile ... but it was more like the face of a crying woman whose cheeks came up in a bit of a smile. I have no doubt that she was genuinely crying for herself ... that great big realization that she will indeed suffer the consequences of her actions. That last email to Travis was clear pre-meditation. It came off like: hey babe, can't wait to see you again ... you abuser ... wink wink. She perhaps didn't think that the prosecution could get the email admitted into evidence, but it gave the jury a complete nakedness of Jodi's character; a window to the soul.

It was almost like a metamorphosis with how Jodi's character changed through the cross examination ... from I'm so smart I can smirk circles around you to I'm such as sad, helpless, incoherent, foggy memoried, goal oriented, abused, dishonest, broken, little creature.

How about if they find her guilty in less than 2 hours ... that might snap her out of her delusions about being so clever that she can get away with murder. Maybe then her mother and aunt will stop chuckling about Jodi's circumstances.

 

[Meemaw12]

So she was kneeling when he roared out of the shower and body slammed her?

don't forget the camera bouncing on the floor...ugggg

 

[Melly53]

Maybe she did jump up and get that gun...where she hid it at some point.

I think she had her backpack in the closet where she had hidden the gun and knife she ended up using.

 

[anagrammy]

In the first dragging photo his arm is bent at the elbow (as it looks to me) which it wouldn't be if he was dead or completely unconscious, it would be flat on the floor.

ITA

Yes. What appears to be longish hair is actually a curtain of blood from the horrific gashes on his scalp. She couldn't be pulling him with his hair because it would be to short/too slippery.

Poor Travis. I see these pics and I hear opera music like you do in horror movie killings.

PS - sorry, wrong clip, but you get the idea.

 

[Lexington]

I DVR'd the Dateline show and am watching it now. Something that struck me was a clip from her LE interview where she says when the masked intruders struck she "went into the closet". That closet has some significance in her story. I think there is some truth there somewhere. When did she go "into the closet" in the true sequence of events? Maybe that's where she had her weapons stashed? She said the gun was in there. Maybe the knife was too.

The weapons might have been there, along with some old throw away clothes (including a head covering) that she would take with her and burn later. She had probably said her goodbyes to Travis, he went into the shower, she went into the closet to change into her murder outfit and fetch the gun and the knife. He thought she was gone which explains the shower picture where he looked surprised. I still think she shot him first after forcing him at gunpoint to sit down.

 

[LizardQueen74]

don't forget the camera bouncing on the floor...ugggg

Double-bounce :floorlaugh:

 

[paperwing]

I own a DSLR, although not the same one as Travis. I don't believe I ever saw one with a wrist strap while I was shopping around.

I still think it's *possible* that JA may have used the strap from her own camera (according to her, it was not only with her, it was in the bedroom at some point - used to take 'personal' videos).

It would have been the right length for her to use, and Travis may have wanted to keep his neat and new for his trip - so maybe she clipped hers on his camera briefly.

It is hard to explain some of the camera angles unless there is a strap involved - but I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Other idea I just had - wonder how similar the cameras looked (his/hers). Unlikely but she could have put her strap on his new camera so he'd think it was her camera - why would he want 'those' photos to be the first on a pristine camera/memory card, even if deleted? No, that makes no sense if she used her camera for taking a video. I don't know... I'm just wond'ring aloud.