jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[legalmania]

I'm sure this has been said before. Jodi's little tale of events required a great deal of planning. Did she hold a gun to TA's head from the time she got there? Those pictures of the day she murdered him look like a person with a gun to his head or pointed at him (can't prove that) and that it starts in the bedroom shots. There are mini tripods, she could take a picture of herself easily.

She's an evil person. TA didn't look happy at all.

Travis looked like a pretty strong guy, would he have just let her have his way with him while she held a gun at him? Or would he have done the usual fight or flight?

 

[paperwing]

I bet you on Monday morning, we will see a different Juan when Nurmi gets back up there. I believe there will be many objections from Juan, he won't let Nurmi go on and on like he did in cross. I am not looking forward to listening to Nurmi for days and days. Hopefully, the Judge will run a tighter ship on redirect. lease:

Well, that would certainly make things more interesting! I hope you're right - if only for the selfish truth that I find Mr. Nurmi's atonal drone painfully annoying. Even better - he doesn't do angry very well - JM does a sort of... not anger... loud abruptness (?) all the time, all day long so it's sort of expected, I think. Yet he can turn it off/tone it down effectively, too. Nurmi has one pace, one tone, and gets pi*sy when he gets mad.

Please let his redirect go no longer than a day.... pleaaasseee trial sprites!!! or - something...

 

[legalmania]

Hello everyone. I have been reading here since 2008. I have learned so much and now I can finally contribute! Love websleuths.

Anyway,I thought Mr. Martinez did a great job. Proved her guilt to me as I didn't start following this case until the defendant got on the stand. I believe the jury will find her guilty, i think the probability that she will get the DP is high. I just wonder how Nurmi will try and recover the case on Monday.

I can't wait to talk more with you all!

Welcome and we are all open to everyone's opinion. So hope to hear more from you.

 

[LizardQueen74]

Exactly .. this is what I think. I also think she had originally thought she could tie him to the bed .. then realised 'OMG it's a sleigh bed', then she went to the garage and got some duct tape, and that was a stupid restraint too, Travis woke up and she just laughed it all off as a joke, then she annoyed him all afternoon by hanging around as long as possible wondering how she was going to get him restrained or in a vulnerable position, I think she pretended to leave and snuck back in.

Duct tape, and rope related, and were original ideas for restraining him to bed where she intended to torment him as she told him all the reasons he deserved to die.

Shower option 3.

I too thought it was the duct tape initially, but I was reminded that Travis used a BodyBugg. You wear them 24/7 bc they also provide info on sleep efficiency too. Only time you remove it is when bathing/swimming.

I think it's more likely that the tape maybe held her weapons hidden in the car in case she got pulled over. Or just non-related...

 

[beeshie]

Travis looked like a pretty strong guy, would he have just let her have his way with him while she held a gun at him? Or would he have done the usual fight or flight?

Jodi needed the element of surprise to kill him. I don't think she would have held a gun on him or threatened him with a knife and I am convinced that he was aware that she was taking pics of him in the shower.

 

[GetSmart]

Wonder if her grandpa did any target shoting practice? Could do some ballistics for proof of weapon idenity.

This is not a gun one does target practice with ....Target would be like 5 feet away ...seriously ...I am not kiddin..

 

[paperwing]

Travis looked like a pretty strong guy, would he have just let her have his way with him while she held a gun at him? Or would he have done the usual fight or flight?

I think the only reason JA was 'successful' is because the first injury/stab/blow - whatever injury it was - caused him to go into shock and disabled him significantly in a very short amount of time. Despite having pretty severe defensive wounds, I think that's all he had the ability to do... defend himself. Unsuccessfully.

Had that first injury (gsw or stab) been to his leg, or chest - missing vital organs/major veins - he would be alive and would have held her until LE arrived.

That's my take anyway. I think she either studied up in preparation, or just got horrifically 'lucky'.

 

[legalmania]

Another thing I wonder about is the rental car. Blood sticks around for a long time. The rental car guy said he saw red koolaid on the passanger seat. I wonder if they took that car and went over it with a fine tooth comb. Also the floor mats to the car where did they go? Why would she throw those away?

 

[Lexington]

Another thing I wonder about is the rental car. Blood sticks around for a long time. The rental car guy said he saw red koolaid on the passanger seat. I wonder if they took that car and went over it with a fine tooth comb. Also the floor mats to the car where did they go? Why would she throw those away?

Jodi was asked by Juan about the floor mats. She said there weren't any. I

 

[Dr. Know?]

Travis looked like a pretty strong guy, would he have just let her have his way with him while she held a gun at him? Or would he have done the usual fight or flight?

Gun vs my life? Depends on how vulnerable of situation I was in. TA had a bed and what pillows & rug mat slippers to defend himself. Not having a gun, a .25 himself or any gun for that matter, I think he'd size up the situation & Jodi's state of mind.

She could of gained her control with that gun during the whole photo sex shoot and Travis' murder.

Evil evil at it's worst.

 

[TartLemon]

Is there evidence on Travis' computer that he really looked at the discs of photos June 4?

I'm with the ones who don't believe for a single second Jodi was there all day. Travis had no idea Jodi was in his house when he got into the shower. She stabbed him on the feet as he was trying to get away from her.

If Jodi is ever released from prison, she will kill again using the information learned during this investigation and trial. Who was next on the list requiring a 9mm?

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

Is there evidence on Travis' computer that he really looked at the discs of photos June 4?

I'm with the ones who don't believe for a single second Jodi was there all day. Travis had no idea Jodi was in his house when he got into the shower. She stabbed him on the feet as he was trying to get away from her.

If Jodi is ever released from prison, she will kill again using the information learned during this investigation and trial. Who was next on the list requiring a 9mm?

Wasn't Travis' roommate there when she got there that night?

 

[paperwing]

Wait... What is up with the duct tape thing? Did JA say why he had it on his arm? So confused.

I don't think the duct tape has any significance in terms of the murder... it does look (to me) like it could have been around his arm at one point (looks more like duct tape than a Bug-thingy (?) to me), and although it was photographed by LE, I think they did so not knowing if it was significant or not.

So I've stayed out of the duct tape conversation - except for this post (I think).

Sometimes things just aren't significant... I know that I get so intrigued with everything that I 'read' clues into everything, and sometimes they're just unrelated, random things or events.

Not saying I'm right, it's just my take on the duct tape. Oh, and the dvd remote.

 

[GetSmart]

Wait... What is up with the duct tape thing? Did JA say why he had it on his arm? So confused.

Google is our friend LOL

This has been discussed a lot here ..\\
http://www.reapteam.org/duct-tape
Duct Tape Analogy for Chastity

Get a guy volunteer...(ideally one with hairy arms, but don't let him know that's why he's chosen)
When you apply the duct tape (see below) make sure you use a short piece of tape (3 inches long or so) and that you put it horizontally on his arm, not up and down. When you tear, pull from the outside in (toward his body, not away).
**Important introduction:
Emotional Bond & Marriage:
We all know sex is a physical act, right? Well the coolest thing about sex that few people know is that it's also highly emotional, mental and very spiritual. God created sex to be an amazing thing between husband and wife, something that bonds them together, not just physically, but emotionally (gift of the body, heart, mind & soul). (place the duct tape on his arm) This duct tape on _____'s arm represents that emotional bond that takes place when two people have sex (PLEASE stress that duct tape represents EMOTIONAL bond). Their hearts are so close together when they share this intimate act. Sex has been called, "the superglue of the heart". In marriage, this extreme emotional closeness is a very good thing (rub the duct tape into the arm really well). It brings husband and wife very close together in their hearts - helps them get through good times and bad.
Outside Marriage, Sex's Emotional Bond:
However, outside of marriage, this bond still occurs. The emotional bond is a part of sex, it's always present, whether we like it or not. But, this extremely tight emotional bond is not such a good thing outside of marriage. Here's why...
(DO NOT remove the duct tape until you describe the break-up of the relationship)
Relationship Examples:
So let's say that I'm 16 years old (use yourself as an example, not the volunteer) and I choose to ignore God's plan for sex and chastity and decide that since my boyfriend and I are in love and we're a serious couple, we'll have sex. (rub the duct tape in even more, as you continue to talk). Things are going real well, are hearts are real close - like this duct tape here - and then...he starts to get on my nerves, so, we break up. (quickly tear off the tape)
Heartache & Pain of breaking the emotional bond:
Breaking the emotional bond of sex can be painful. People have suffered much heartache from the loss of this bond. (can give real-life example here) You loose part of yourself that you can't have back.
More relationship examples:
-However, after my heartache, senior year, I meet Mr. Wonderful, much better than the first guy, so after dating for a while, we have sex (put the tape back on the same part of the arm). But, then we go to different colleges and break up. (tear off the tape) This time, it didn't hurt that bad, did it?
-Then I meet...we fall in love and have sex...(put tape back on)
Then we break up (tear off)...it didn't hurt my heart very much this time. It's easy to move on to next guy.
-Another partner...(put tape back on)
Another break up (tear off)


OR

tape is meant to mimic the anatomy and physiology of the joints and muscles it is targeting. She noted a number of studies have found the tape improves range of motion

The tape is meant to help stabilize their tendons and joints and provide pressure relief.

 

[TartLemon]

Wasn't Travis' roommate there when she got there that night?

I'm not one to ask about the details of this case. Didn't really perk up and start paying attention until Jodi testified. Always kept in the periphery of my attention. Now, I'm completely and unabashedly hooked. Getting antsy for my next fix.

 

[Lexington]

Wasn't Travis' roommate there when she got there that night?

I am really confused about the roommates. I haven't heard much about them. Were any of them there from 4am to 6pm, or any part thereof? I think it odd that not much has been said about them. They lived with him after all.

 

[minor4th]

I think the only reason JA was 'successful' is because the first injury/stab/blow - whatever injury it was - caused him to go into shock and disabled him significantly in a very short amount of time. Despite having pretty severe defensive wounds, I think that's all he had the ability to do... defend himself. Unsuccessfully.

Had that first injury (gsw or stab) been to his leg, or chest - missing vital organs/major veins - he would be alive and would have held her until LE arrived.

That's my take anyway. I think she either studied up in preparation, or just got horrifically 'lucky'.

He really did not have significant defensive wounds. Two cuts on one hand, that's it. He was not able to even put up much of a defense - he maybe got his hands in front of his face for a couple of seconds, but then he lost the ability to even do that IMO

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

I am really confused about the roommates. I haven't heard much about them. Were any of them there from 4am to 6pm, or any part thereof? I think it odd that not much has been said about them. They lived with him after all.

From JA's testimony (take with a bucket of salt) TA's roommates were there when she got there and didn't leave until the next day, right? I imagine if that wasn't true, the roommates would have said something about it. I guess I will have to try to research it. I just wonder what kind of roommates leave days at a time. No way they could have lived there all that time and not smell his body decaying.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Thank you so much Mrs. G Norris! I appreciate it! I did not want to have look at them again and look for a time stamp. I never want to see those pictures again.

Everything that JA did is bizarre to me, but to take those types of pictures the day she killed him? Let's have sexy time and then I'm going to kill you. Was it the prosecution who brought those photos in or the defense?

I think prosecution since they were found by police and used as a lever in interrogation, but I didn't watch the first part of the trial so I'm not sure. Yeah, there's no denying that JA makes little sense. And seriously, what on earth is up with the hard angles? My guess on all of that nonsense is that it was some kind of excuse to be there and linger as in 'come on Travis, let's do that sex shoot we planned on the telephone before I tapped into your online social media accounts and you called me a sociopath and told me you wanted me out of your life' ....

I grilled my DH today on why he went back to a woman that stabbed him 3x in his past. This woman also held a baby of one of her first boyfriends underwater and burnt another ex partners clothes, and personal items (and I mean the lot) in her past.

He said there was no explanation and said he had asked himself that many times since and still can't come up with an answer. I asked him if he ever felt afraid of her and what she might do. He said 'No' because he knew he could 'take' her. I said 'Well you know that you are wrong about that don't you?'. He disagreed .. I said 'Did you think because you were male and she was female that you could defend yourself against her?' he did. Big mistake. No doubt Travis thought the same thing.

DH said that the love / hate relationship and the fight / make up cycle was intoxicating. He also blamed himself for half of the issues, he thought they just fought, it wasn't until the last attack from her which was quite bad and fairly unprovoked that he realised it was her, and it wasn't until MUCH later that he saw that she was the one who started the drama each time.

I guess the conclusion I drew from that is it's less about the sex than I thought, sex may have been Jodi's strongest tool in her arsenal, but the drama itself was another. And perhaps it wasn't all a conscious 'taking down' of Travis, but a drama from Jodi's own psychology that she thought Travis was a full player in, and perhaps Travis thought the same thing.

Until it was too late.

 

[Whisperer]

Holy Carpola! I've studied anatomy but this case has brought that course to a whole new level. What did I get myself into?

:bath: