jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 8TH DAY #45 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Kensie]

Good night folks. I will be listening tomorrow at work. Hoping for the best.

 

[Summerfun]

I am a court reporter here in Canada. And the best defence anyone can use is, " I don't remember."

You cannot get blood from a stone or a liar who remembers nothing about the actual killing.

It will be very hard to cross-examine on the killing, because she cannot remember.

But he can ask where the bottled water came from. Costco.

The actual killing is going to extremely difficult to get the answers we all want. His scope of cross examination answers about what really happened will be, "I do not remember because I blacked out."

Hopefully he can get her on the inconsistency of her testimony before and after, which is so much it is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Callisto]

Sorry but I think her finger is bent. Again, I think she incurred this injury while she was stabbing TA to death.

moo

ITA it makes 100% sense to me it was from a slipped knife during her attack which she conveniently claims she busted a glass at TAs that day and cut her finger.. And blames the way it looks on TA's abuse (darn that TA, if JA never met TA maybe her finger would still be normal... Comparing that to her agreeing that if TA never met her then he would still be alive...) but yeah I'm sure the abuse and glass are a complete fabrication and it makes sense she wouldn't want to admit to having wounds from stabbing TA. But a severed tendon, which a knife slip would likely cause, is most often not going to heal itself correctly which is why it's still often funky looking.
MOO!

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[thefragile7393]

I think she is 150 percent guilty but I think her age will spare her the DP.

Nahh. Age has nothing to do with it. Debra Milke was 28 when she was sentenced to death.

 

[FrayedKnot]

What I don't get is why the family is not given the option to absent themselves from the courtroom during explicit testimony!

Even when JM was showing those really awful pics, which I totally agree needed to be shown, it seems like TA's family should have had the option to leave before being subjected to material like that.

 

[katiecoolady]

KatieCool,

I noticed Beth and some others in the back are wearing headphones while listening to and taking notes about the testimony. What is being played that they are listening to?

I don't know! I'm assuming she's listening to her peeps at In Session..she's also typing back there so may be communicating with them that way. Probably Jean!

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

:rocker: I will email his show and complain.

I do it often.

Email sent.

 

[katiecoolady]

What I don't get is why the family is not given the option to absent themselves from the courtroom during explicit testimony!

Even when JM was showing those really awful pics, which I totally agree needed to be shown, it seems like TA's family should have had the option to leave before being subjected to material like that.

They do have the option. There's only been one time that they were blind sided with an autopsy photo and I saw him apologize for that. Every other time they've been forewarned and it seems they opt to just look down vs. leave the courtroom.

In our case, we didn't stay in court those days.

 

[CJae]

She was mostly looking down. During EVERY sidebar, even the really long one, she looked down the entire time.

I still noticed the same as days past where she looks directly at them and is trying desperately to get them to "connect" with her during some testimony.

It's not during the important stuff it seems but the inane drivel she thinks she so eloquently spews.

And thank you so much for all that you do for TA family and for all of us here!

 

[probowl1998]

:seeya: Welcome probowl1998 - glad to have you aboard!

Dawn Treader, thanks for the welcome.

I am a retired US Army Vet who suffers from PTSD. I had a very traumatic experience due to a gang rape. I have a serious problem with Jodi not recalling the most significant part of her proclaimed "self defence". It is true that your brain will block out portions of a traumatic event but you still would be able to recall certain elements of the event.

She remembers shooting him only because she had to explain where the gun came from but she cannot elaborate on stabbing him because she would have to admit that she brought the knife with her. It has already been establish that no knife from Travis's home was used in the killing.

 

[Kensie]

With LWOP she would have a life of normalcy for jail. On DR she would almost never see anyone ever. Far better punishment for a narcissistic socio/psychopath who absolutely leaches on to people and drains the life from them.

I think she deserves DP. LWOP means at a minimum that the free world is Not an option. I say let her rot.

 

[Kamille]

I haven't really followed the trial so forgive me if this has been discussed to death but was the camera on some kind of timer and were there pictures of nothing during the time Jodi claimed to be running down the hall with Travis in pursuit?

Also did she say today that she dropped the camera while deleting pictures? How does that fit in? Didn't she delete the pictures after the fact?

TIA

 

[Observer in AZ]

Re: the Hoover Dam...

It has been nore than a month since JM layed out her road trip details so I am having a hard time remembering his version (or the evidence's version) of her route to and from Az,

My question is: wouldn't she be stopped and questioned abiut her license plate at the Hoover Dam checkpoint? They would at least mention it to her, no? Maybe instead she tripped up through Paige. Lots of lonely desert up that way.

Ok I wondered about Hoover Dam too.. Went to Vegas to Gus's place not a call but knock on door at 3am??

Back way thru Page would make sense but unfortunately road is now closed due to earthquake or Geo event last night. Not sure if they could time drive ie see if there's any details that would match up to her woke up in desert story on cross(but would be place to burn evidence & ditch weapons)

 

[Madeleine74]

I hope TA's family has been pre-warned by Mr. Juan that he will surely use crime scene and autopsy photos during his cross exam. We already know he likes to spring photos on witnesses and tomorrow will be a big day for that. It's going to be so difficult for the family, but it's important that JM bring the focus back to the brutality of this murder.

If they aren't expecting him to do that, they should because he's definitely going to 'go there and do that.' It's the exact right thing to do, as difficult as it is for family and spectators.

 

[K_Z]

mister nurse on the 25 cal gun

1) no one keeps a round chambered in a gun with the safety off

2) a 25 cannot be loaded and not chambered unless you have a magazine

3) to load and chamber a round would take a couple of seconds and you would have to know what you are doing (she claims to never have shot a gun iirc)


(mister nurse is an army officer)

Mister nurse says no way in hello did she have time (I told him the distance to the closet) be body slammed, recover from that, run to the closet, climb up, get the gun, load the gun/chamber the round and run back out and fire on Travis at that trajectory.

K_Z wholeheartedly concurs with Mr. Nurse. (KZ is a former USAF officer.)

This is a VERY common .25, "Saturday Night Special" (potentially the same as her grandpa's .25-- speculation only, but it is a common pistol.):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Arms_MP-25

"Early models have a sliding bar safety that will not allow the pistol to chamber a round or the striker if the safety is not in the fire position when the slide is pulled back. Later models have a push up safety that will not allow the action to be cycled at all when engaged."

NO way the gun "just went off". This gun is highly unlikely to fire even if dropped.

 

[neesaki]

My 25 yr old DS laughed when he heard about Travis supposedly having a .25.

No way would a self respecting young dude own a granny gun. He'd have a Glock or something useful.

There was a friend of Travis' on with someone on HLN, I missed who as I was listening on to it on the radio. But the friend has something to do with the NRA and he and Travis go shooting together, and are always talking guns. He said Travis didn't have a gun, he always borrowed his, and that if he got a new one, the first thing he would have done is to show it off to him. He also said, that if Travis did get a gun, he would never get a .25 because that gun is basically a waste of money and not good for self defense.

Anyway, I wonder if this guy is going to be testifying perhaps in the rebuttal.

 

[LadyEdith]

I find it interesting that in the first telling of the Ninja tale to Flores, she didn't go into any details about the stabbing either. She is comfortable with the shooting part of the story, that was part of the Ninja tale and part of today's tale, but in both tellings, no stabbing/slashing details. And she ain't talking.

I'm thinking that part of her plan got way out of control, and she didn't imagine how difficult and bloody it would be. I think she never intended him to leave that shower. She wanted it clean and contained, and she planned on killing him there and washing all the blood down the drain.

It's only today that I realized that because he was alive for awhile while being attacked, that he did probably say stuff like "no, jodi, no" or "please" or "get help". But what REALLY got me is her lack of remorse, and her complete break down imagining her own demise.

What terrible, terrible strategy to put this woman on the stand---but thank God they did.

Oh, and I'll say it again. In her first phonecall to Flores, the morning after Travis was found, he asked her if he had any weapons, and she said "no, his fists are his weapons" or "no, just his fists". Then he asks "did he have a gun?" and she says "no, if he did I would have known about it."

 

[suspicious1]

I'm still trying to catch up.....(sigh)

Originally I thought that the gun shot came first but......

Now I truly believe it came last.

After hearing her version of events....I just don't know what to say.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

I am a court reporter here in Canada. And the best defence anyone can use is, " I don't remember."

You cannot get blood from a stone or a liar who remembers nothing about the actual killing.

It will be very hard to cross-examine on the killing, because she cannot remember.

But he can ask where the bottled water came from. Costco.

The actual killing is going to extremely difficult to get the answers we all want. His scope of cross examination answers about what really happened will be, "I do not remember because I blacked out."

Hopefully he can get her on the inconsistency of her testimony before and after, which is so much it is beyond ridiculous.

Importantly, her ENTIRE purpose on the stand - the only reason they put her up there - was to prove self defense. At the point she could have proven it, she "forgot." There was not enough about self defense in the way she described it. We don't need her to prove the murder. She has admitted the killing. We have pictures and mountains of evidence as to what happened to him. Based on what we saw today, I believe it was worse for her to testify. She didn't serve her ultimate purpose. Her "pleading the 5th" through memory fog hurt her defense, not the prosecution case. The prosecution didn't need her to prove anything, but the defense needed her "memory" badly. Didn't happen.

 

[SkiptomyLu]

One of the points that made me outraged was when she was blubbering on about some fantasy that Travis had promised to attend her funeral if she died, and give the eulogy…. In Antarctica. It made me realize she was pointing a direct example of her emotional blackmail she used toward him: "I will kill myself if you…." IMO - I think she is the type to do this often, but interesting to hear her point it out and still feel sorry for her own pitiful self… Like the "sociopath" comment from Travis.