jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 8TH DAY #45 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[katiecoolady]

Dawn Treader, thanks for the welcome.

I am a retired US Army Vet who suffers from PTSD. I had a very traumatic experience due to a gang rape. I have a serious problem with Jodi not recalling the most significant part of her proclaimed "self defence". It is true that your brain will block out portions of a traumatic event but you still would be able to recall certain elements of the event.

She remembers shooting him only because she had to explain where the gun came from but she cannot elaborate on stabbing him because she would have to admit that she brought the knife with her. It has already been establish that no knife from Travis's home was used in the killing.

Thank you for your service and I'm sorry about your PTSD. I treat returning Vets with PTSD for free in my practice and started an organization that offers these services for free. OT but thought I'd share.

www.inonepeaceproject.org

Oh and ON topic, Jodi's descriptions of this event do not line up with any ptsd I've been aware of. The over memory and distinct lack of memory then immediate heightened awareness of feeling. It doesn't line up to me either.

 

[thefragile7393]

Found this online today. I'd love to be sitting at that table.

I am so tempted to call in tomorrow but I fear shortchanging my coworkers...we had two absent today.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

The actual WORDS SHE SAYS start at 46 min. She says "He is Mormon", but I still think she is referring to Travis. See what you think, but listen ahead of 46 min for context.

[video=youtube;89z02RBfsHw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89z02RBfsHw[/video]

 

[LynnM]

I'm getting ready for bed and reflecting on today's testimony. I am just stunned at how badly she testified today. IMO the best outcome she was ever going to get was life without parole but she seems to have thought she was smarter than everyone else and could concoct a believable self defense story and actually get off in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I think that if she had presented herself as a woman with low self esteem in a toxic relationship where both parties kept pulling the other back in she might have come across as more believable and saved her own life. It is possible some jurors might have felt a little bit of sympathy, thinking that she was a pathetic woman who couldn't contain her rage after realizing how self-deluded she had been and spared her life.

But she didn't do that. She tried to make herself into the victim. She lied about Travis being a pedophile. Not even the most credulous person could believe that. She lied about being physically abused. She took no responsibility for anything she did, not even going on TV. She took the coward's way out and came up with the blackout story when she was asked about the stabbing part of the 'self-defense' killing. If this were a play and an actress set out to make herself appear despicable, she couldn't have done as good a job as Jodi has done. I will be shocked if the end result is anything but the death penalty.

 

[Hatfield]

Re: the Hoover Dam...

It has been nore than a month since JM layed out her road trip details so I am having a hard time remembering his version (or the evidence's version) of her route to and from Az,

My question is: wouldn't she be stopped and questioned abiut her license plate at the Hoover Dam checkpoint? They would at least mention it to her, no? Maybe instead she tripped up through Paige. Lots of lonely desert up that way.

My guess is she may not have flipped the plate until shortly before she got pulled over. She needed to be sure all evidence was dumped and/or burned first and I think around Hoover Dam she was still dumping stuff.

That Hoover Dam has for some reason been haunting me as a spot that is very close to where she dumped something.

I want to visit there so badly. I have seen pictures of it and saw the documentary of them building it. Fascinating and incredibly huge dam. I dont think most people realize how humongouse it is.

 

[Steely Dan]

Hello to all, newbie here. I have been lurking for a few years and decided I had to join in (especially with this case) so I could hold rational conversations about this case. My DH lets me rant to him but he is not into true crime stories

:seeya: Well, we're all crime buffs here too.

Yes and i love the fact that, as someone here mentioned previously, cant remember who, it is her ring finger that was damaged by Travis

That story kinda reminds me of Verbal Kint from "The Usual Suspects" :giggle:


One thing I've been wondering about. She rented a Ford Focus and I own one. I have a three door and I have to lift the hatch in the back to load anything into it. I see the license plate every time I do this. She could have rented a four door and never put anything in the back, but if she put anything in the trunk she'd be looking at the license plate in order to raise it. How could she not notice an upside down license plate? JMO

 

[katiecoolady]

K_Z wholeheartedly concurs with Mr. Nurse. (KZ is a former USAF officer.)

This is a VERY common .25, "Saturday Night Special" (potentially the same as her grandpa's .25-- speculation only, but it is a common pistol.):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Arms_MP-25

"Early models have a sliding bar safety that will not allow the pistol to chamber a round or the striker if the safety is not in the fire position when the slide is pulled back. Later models have a push up safety that will not allow the action to be cycled at all when engaged."

NO way the gun "just went off". This gun is highly unlikely to fire even if dropped.

I appreciate all this gun expertise as I know zero zip nada about guns...in fact they totally freak me out. Funny how in a matter of seconds she was able to stand on a stool and grab and gun with a madman after her.

LIAR.:furious:

 

[Lupie43]

If TA owned a gun why the heck didn't he use it on her when an intruder (JA) sneaks in on him @ 4am?

Wouldn't be a good idea to sneak into my house at that hour unannounced.

IMO, TA didn't own a gun.

 

[Kensie]

Nahh. Age has nothing to do with it. Debra Milke was 28 when she was sentenced to death.

That is good to hear. 32 is so young to me!)!

 

[katydid23]

I am a court reporter here in Canada. And the best defence anyone can use is, " I don't remember."

You cannot get blood from a stone or a liar who remembers nothing about the actual killing.

It will be very hard to cross-examine on the killing, because she cannot remember.

But he can ask where the bottled water came from. Costco.

The actual killing is going to extremely difficult to get the answers we all want. His scope of cross examination answers about what really happened will be, "I do not remember because I blacked out."

Hopefully he can get her on the inconsistency of her testimony before and after, which is so much it is beyond ridiculous.

I agree with you. But in this specific case, thank the angels above, the prosecutor has pictures that are dated and time stamped and incriminate the killer in a step by step fashion. So even if she says that she doesn't remember, he can point to the huge image on the wall, and remind the jury of EXACTLY what happened. Her foot in the picture of his bloody body being dragged down the hall IS her testimony. Who cares if she 'has gaps' or not. :rocker:

 

[TaRazza]

What was there to tell if she cannot remember the killing (murder).
How can it be self defense if she can't evenhwow: remember how it happened.

Oh, she remembers full well exactly what happened, MOO :moo:. If Arias can recall what she ordered on any given day at Starbucks, along with all the little details, she has not forgotten/blacked out any memory of slaughtering Travis. I'm pretty sure the domestic violence expert will chalk up this lack of memory to post traumatic stress disorder because it sounds viable. I don't and won't believe it. I suffered PTSD many years ago following an event that nearly killed me.

The horror of PTSD is that the memory of that awful event didn't disappear--it played continuously in my head and wouldn't go away, not even when I managed to fall asleep. It was a living nightmare, day and night. So sudden amnesia due to PTSD, no I can't buy that. I'm not a doctor, but I think amnesia can occur due to brain injury, like getting hit on the head, or by abusing alcohol or drugs, etc. NOT by slaughtering someone. Again, MOO. :moo:

 

[Morning Glory]

But did she get prescription strength in jail?

I was half joking because I do know it is possible to kill yourself with an OD of aspirin/ But often people throw much of it up. And you need to take a lot of them, and I doubt the jail allows them to have many at once.

With a prescription pill they would watch her swallow it and check her mouth. She could have still evaded and "cheeked" them but I tend to doubt that. (800mg's are large.)

 

[thefragile7393]

I think she deserves DP. LWOP means at a minimum that the free world is Not an option. I say let her rot.

Right. My point is that she would have way too much freedom in prison with LWOP. Too much mixing, too many people to control and manipulate, to Jodi its a sociopath's paradise. She would adapt and really thrive in that type of environment. DR does not have that type of environment. IMO she will get the needle....Juan has helped do it before with a similar case, and I believe he can do it again...she is too much of a danger to people to have her with the general population, IMO.

 

[katiecoolady]

The actual WORDS SHE SAYS start at 46 min. She says "He is Mormon", but I still think she is referring to Travis. See what you think, but listen ahead of 46 min for context.

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 20 - Part 3 - YouTube

I see what you are saying here. I'm just not sure.

In context she says "he's Mormon so it's all the more shameful" then Nurmi says "so what about Travis..." which I think is what made me think she was referring to FLores but I could see how it could be Travis she was referring to. Should I ask Det Flores tomorrow if he's Mormon?

KIDDING! :truce:

 

[CJae]

Lol...she testified today she cut her fingers breaking a glass in Travis's kitchen! He called her a klutz...

Couldn't have happened in that horrible stabbing she has no memory of :banghead:

OMG how many different stories has she told about just her FINGER!

Yeah no memory YET she's feeling out the detective about how much evidence he has and what he knows so she can match her story to the Forensics!

 

[FrayedKnot]

I hope TA's family has been pre-warned by Mr. Juan that he will surely use crime scene and autopsy photos during his cross exam. We already know he likes to spring photos on witnesses and tomorrow will be a big day for that. It's going to be so difficult for the family, but it's important that JM bring the focus back to the brutality of this murder.

If they aren't expecting him to do that, they should because he's definitely going to 'go there and do that.' It's the exact right thing to do, as difficult as it is for family and spectators.

Lol, I just asked the same. Apparently they do have the option to leave prior to upsetting evidence being presented, but one time JM just popped out those autopsy photos without warning and although it really shook up TA's sisters, Katie said JM later apologized.

So maybe it isn't required, but just something that ought to be done out of good taste ? :waitasec:

 

[nursebeeme]

Good night folks. I will be listening tomorrow at work. Hoping for the best.

Importantly, her ENTIRE purpose on the stand - the only reason they put her up there - was to prove self defense. At the point she could have proven it, she "forgot." There was not enough about self defense in the way she described it. We don't need her to prove the murder. She has admitted the killing. We have pictures and mountains of evidence as to what happened to him. Based on what we saw today, I believe it was worse for her to testify. She didn't serve her ultimate purpose. Her "pleading the 5th" through memory fog hurt her defense, not the prosecution case. The prosecution didn't need her to prove anything, but the defense needed her "memory" badly. Didn't happen.

Amen!

 

[thefragile7393]

That is good to hear. 32 is so young to me!)!

It is...she is close to my age (well I feel old thanks to life experiences but in reality it is quite young). Even with LWOP...like you said, her life is over as she knows it. I cannot imagine being so young and in jail forever...or DR. She had a whole life ahead of her and yet.....well I can't figure out what or where something went wrong in her head. It was NOT the spoons!

 

[probowl1998]

Thank you for your service and I'm sorry about your PTSD. I treat returning Vets with PTSD for free in my practice and started an organization that offers these services for free. OT but thought I'd share.

www.inonepeaceproject.org

Oh and ON topic, Jodi's descriptions of this event do not line up with any ptsd I've been aware of. The over memory and distinct lack of memory then immediate heightened awareness of feeling. It doesn't line up to me either.

Thank you Katiecoolady for the service you render to my buddy veterans. That why I am so upset with how the Defence w/ their so called experts will spin it. Treating PTSD requires serious counseling along with medications to help someone deal with the traumatization that occurred. I am still in counceling. Thanks for the link.

 

[luv]

I will be in court ALL day tomorrow..morning and afternoon session. I'll get there early to make sure I get a seat. Their body language is all pretty subtle in terms of changes. They are all quite stone faced.

I am watching them like a hawk. Partly because it's hard for me to not go out of my mind watching this defendant and/or Nurmi.

Tomorrow watching Juan M. though will be different. I'll be fascinated in her body language.

And where's that hairstyle?

BBM
Do you mean this one?

Love your posts Katie. I always feel so proud when I see you sitting on Travis' side of the courtroom. You are awesome! <3