jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 8TH DAY #45 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[nursebeeme]

Sorry Kenzie! My phone multi quoted you!

 

[zippitydoda]

I am a court reporter here in Canada. And the best defence anyone can use is, " I don't remember."You cannot get blood from a stone or a liar who remembers nothing about the actual killing.

It will be very hard to cross-examine on the killing, because she cannot remember.

But he can ask where the bottled water came from. Costco.

The actual killing is going to extremely difficult to get the answers we all want. His scope of cross examination answers about what really happened will be, "I do not remember because I blacked out."

Hopefully he can get her on the inconsistency of her testimony before and after, which is so much it is beyond ridiculous.

IMO - if "I don't remember" was a credible defense, then I'd suspect that everyone would claim it.

Did you rob that bank? I don't remember
Did you kick that dog? I don't remember.
Did you beat your wife? I don't remember.

Does "I don't remember" infer that at one time you did know, but now you don't remember?

 

[katiecoolady]

Lol, I just asked the same. Apparently they do have the option to leave prior to upsetting evidence being presented, but one time JM just popped out those autopsy photos without warning and although it really shook up TA's sisters, Katie said JM later apologized.

So maybe it isn't required, but just something that ought to be done out of good taste ? :waitasec:

I agree completely!

 

[Anita Richman]

And exactly how far away is this desert she woke up in from TA's house? Noone noticed a bloody woman driving a white car. How did she not get any on the OUTSIDE of the car getting in if she had blood all over her hands?

There is no way IMHO, It's June..doesn't it stay light well into the evening?

Kelly

In June it stays light until about 8 p.m.

 

[LadyEdith]

Importantly, her ENTIRE purpose on the stand - the only reason they put her up there - was to prove self defense. At the point she could have proven it, she "forgot." There was not enough about self defense in the way she described it. We don't need her to prove the murder. She has admitted the killing. We have pictures and mountains of evidence as to what happened to him. Based on what we saw today, I believe it was worse for her to testify. She didn't serve her ultimate purpose. Her "pleading the 5th" through memory fog hurt her defense, not the prosecution case. The prosecution didn't need her to prove anything, but the defense needed her "memory" badly. Didn't happen.

My thought was the defense TRIED to build their case on seven days of testimony about "battered woman/partner syndrom", implying that self-defense was justified by all that so called testimony. Lots of time on "stories" of Travis' abuse, and Jodi's mute compliance, a fraction of the time devoted to the actual deed. That's how they attempted to minimize the murder and explain it via the Jodi Chronicles.

I agree that the ultimate purpose wasn't served. I am no attorney, but I bet a better defense would have been concentrating on the "secret" part of the relationship, the text messages, and perhaps two domestic violence experts. I would have left Jodi behind the defense desk, making her smaller and weak looking each day, with nothing to say. I think I could not have done worse than Nurmi.

 

[katiecoolady]

BBM
Do you mean this one?

Love your posts Katie. I always feel so proud when I see you sitting on Travis' side of the courtroom. You are awesome! <3

That's the one! OMG that just makes me laugh out loud. I sent it to Dr. Drew's producer lol.

I need to do something...brb.

 

[Kamille]

Sorry but I think her finger is bent. Again, I think she incurred this injury while she was stabbing TA to death.

moo

It appears to be boutinerre finger, which can be caused by a blow or cut to the finger. Doesn't appear to be caused by a broken finger?

http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/hw004.htm

 

[FrayedKnot]

I thought a 38 was a Saturday Night Special? :waitasec:

 

[Mormon Attorney]

I see what you are saying here. I'm just not sure.

In context she says "he's Mormon so it's all the more shameful" then Nurmi says "so what about Travis..." which I think is what made me think she was referring to FLores but I could see how it could be Travis she was referring to. Should I ask Det Flores tomorrow if he's Mormon?

KIDDING! :truce:

For some reason, when I listened to JA's phone calls with the detective, I remember thinking he was not Mormon. I think she made a comment about Mormons not drinking alcohol (or something like that) and he said, "Well, some of them." Of course, as a trained detective, he would be wise not to give out personal information so maybe he has just learned how to respond. But, FWIW, it gave me the impression he was not LDS.

 

[paperwing]

JA said she put the knife in the dishwasher. Only reason to do that is if it was covered with blood. That image didn't stick in her mind?

Plus she had to be collected enough to start the dishwasher before she left (perhaps when she started the wash) or investigators would have found a blood covered murder weapon.

I'm not buying the "so traumatized I can't remember" fable. Not for a minute. It's just too conveniently selective mixed with deliberate calculated actions.

 

[GetSmart]

So I can't wait till juan asked her where in the desert did you throw the Gun Jodi !!

 

[MalPal]

This is a minor point but still bugs me- she's supposed to be taking some formal photos of him posing in the shower. So why are the photos so poorly lit, so atrocious?

This concerns me too. She knew she was about to kill him when she was taking the shower pictures. I imagine she was mentally running through a play by play of how she was about to initiate the attack. She wasnt trying to take good pictures. The picture snapping was just to distract him and make him more vulnerable.

 

[Meemaw12]

There was a friend of Travis' on with someone on HLN, I missed who as I was listening on to it on the radio. But the friend has something to do with the NRA and he and Travis go shooting together, and are always talking guns. He said Travis didn't have a gun, he always borrowed his, and that if he got a new one, the first thing he would have done is to show it off to him. He also said, that if Travis did get a gun, he would never get a .25 because that gun is basically a waste of money and not good for self defense.

Anyway, I wonder if this guy is going to be testifying perhaps in the rebuttal.

His name is Dave Hall, he lives in Utah. Spent the week before Travis was murdered at TA's house.

 

[paperwing]

True, jodi never said anything negative about Travis. She always protected his image.

:floorlaugh:

 

[Nova]

I know what you mean and I completely agree with you. Blame it on post modernism, moral relativity and the culture of sentimentality.

Against all that, I think all you can do is be is an alternative voice in the wilderness. It is disheartening, but all great and worthwhile battles are. Just keep on keeping on.

All I know is that at the beginning of the Casey Anthony case, the concept of a psychopath was almost unheard of and roundly ignored. Now I alight on a trial where people get it. I call that progress.

Psychopaths and sociopaths have been discussed here since the mid-90s.

 

[katydid23]

Found this online today. I'd love to be sitting at that table.

I am so tempted to call in tomorrow but I fear shortchanging my coworkers...we had two absent today.

Our Juan looks so confident and calm in this picture. He is soooo ready to go. I bet Ms. Arias is waking up in cold sweats tonight, just thinking about it.

 

[katiecoolady]

For some reason, when I listened to JA's phone calls with the detective, I remember thinking he was not Mormon. I think she made a comment about Mormons not drinking alcohol (or something like that) and he said, "Well, some of them." Of course, as a trained detective, he would be wise not to give out personal information so maybe he has just learned how to respond. But, FWIW, it gave me the impression he was not LDS.

I probably got that one totally wrong. I can see how she was referring to Travis in that now.

Can I plead PTSD from having to listen to Nurmi for too long? :truce:

 

[Curious Me]

gosh pray-tell I hope not. There's a special place in hell for the likes of Jodi Arias. Like the top shelf.

MOO

Mel

The lowest bottom shelf in hell is closest to the fire. That's where I'd put her. Just saying. :lol:

 

[Mormon Attorney]

My thought was the defense TRIED to build their case on seven days of testimony about "battered woman/partner syndrom", implying that self-defense was justified by all that so called testimony. Lots of time on "stories" of Travis' abuse, and Jodi's mute compliance, a fraction of the time devoted to the actual deed. That's how they attempted to minimize the murder and explain it via the Jodi Chronicles.

I agree that the ultimate purpose wasn't served. I am no attorney, but I bet a better defense would have been concentrating on the "secret" part of the relationship, the text messages, and perhaps two domestic violence experts. I would have left Jodi behind the defense desk, making her smaller and weak looking each day, with nothing to say. I think I could not have done worse than Nurmi.

I very much agree on what they tried to do. If you felt like I did, it seemed to be a lot of build up to absolutely nothing. With her ability to lie so convincingly (in the media shows), I was absolutely shocked that with all that build up, it just kind of fizzled at the end. They lit a firework, only to find out it was a dud. We all sat waiting and no show. I think it had a lot to do with what others have mentioned - she was so into being on the stand and being in control that she just could not stick to the script. I think it was very hard for her to let Nurmi take the lead. She had to have control. It really hurt her. She got control by going off script. Hurt her case.

 

[Karmady]

His name is Dave Hall, he lives in Utah. Spent the week before Travis was murdered at TA's house.

Did he say why it's not a good gun for self defense?