Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #3

[HauntsForHope]

I believe the photos that were deleted were the 20 taken prior to his death. All the shower pictures etc.

Only the nude/sex/shower pictures? Not the death photos?

 

[Mintedlace]

It really bothers me that the prosecutor didn't ask Ryan Burns about JA's physical appearance. Did she have a black eye? A broken nose? Bruises on her wrists, arms, chest, thighs. Just anything that might indicate that TA hit her when she dropped the camera.

I think that would have helped the jury dismiss the whole self defense BS.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I didn't say used and abused. Nor fragile. Just potentially very insecure. They are not in the same house in my books.

Insecure? Hmmm, seems like a one woman ninja warrior to me.

 

[LambChop]

Also, I was thinking about her arriving in Utah a day late. If you were establishing your alibi, wouldn't your premeditated plan include a schedule that makes sure you arrive on time?

The defense could maybe use her not showing up on time to claim that the murder was not part of the plan (i.e., just a rendezvous intended). Although I don't know how you get around the gun issue.

BTW, I am not an advocate for her. I am just looking at this as objectively as possible to understand what both sides have as evidence and are trying to convey. I am curious about the defense's case and open minded about whatever is to be presented.

If he was not home when she first arrived that would have thrown her schedule off a bit. Plus I think once her adrenaline stopped pumping she was exhausted. She was dragging dead weight. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Insecure? Hmmm, seems like a one woman ninja warrior to me.

With a handgun.

 

[Curious Me]

She could have been the next Black Widow!

Yeah, maybe dating my son, or your brother.

 

[Sweetiemom]

She cleaned his house and he paid her for that, and he sold her his used BMW and she was paying him for that. She trashed the car and she was going to pay off the debt.

And all the while he's denying her existence to everyone, yet boffing her every which way to Sunday, texting and talking constantly, esp late at night when he was "sleepy".

Am I the only one who sees this as disgusting?

I don't see that as disgusting-what I see as disgusting is the way she murdered Travis in cold blood.

 

[popsicle]

I prepared myself a cocktail after that one. Could NOT believe it... and yet, I absolutely can.

And I thought I was jaded...

umm this cocktail is for the DP :floorlaugh:

 

[ErnestBorgnine]

IMO yes, OJ is also a psychopath.

People aren't people to psychopaths. There only purpose is to provide something the psychopath wants.

I think that's a narcissist.

 

[popsicle]

Only the nude/sex/shower pictures? Not the death photos?

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8705382&postcount=39"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8705382&postcount=39[/ame]

 

[gitana1]

She cleaned his house and he paid her for that, and he sold her his used BMW and she was paying him for that. She trashed the car and she was going to pay off the debt.

And all the while he's denying her existence to everyone, yet boffing her every which way to Sunday, texting and talking constantly, esp late at night when he was "sleepy".

Am I the only one who sees this as disgusting?

My gosh. Imagine this: He's in the shower, naked, with a girl taking photos of him, urging him on, "This will be so sexy, baby." Then BAM, she stabs him in the heart. In shock, he grabs the knife and stumbles up, to get away, to get a breath, to live, to survive. He lurches, with minutes of life left, to the sink, where he futilely coughs up blood, straining to breathe, hoping he will make it. But, to make matters impossibly worse, he begins to jerk as he feels the knife being stabbed viciously into his back, once, twice, three times, four, five six, seven, on and on and on.

His life blood is literally slipping away, but the human instinct to try to survive is great, so he claws around and weak-kneed, falls slowly to the ground. He continues to feel the knife stabbing him, and he can't stop it, but he crawls, pathetically trying to get away. Then, the worst of it all, he feels his murderer straddle him. What is she going to do know? In a second, he knows as he feels her hand jerk his scalp back and feels the knife slice into his neck, so strong, so hard, that his head is almost cut off. He sinks to the ground and he dies. His body is then dragged back to the place he tried to escape and a bullet is put into his face, into his brain. One last indignity.

This happened to a man. A human being. A once sad kid who had druggie parents but who was miraculously rescued by his grandmother who loved him and his siblings and taught them her faith which became so important to him. He was imperfect, and had faults. He was possibly even hypocritical at times. But he had dreams like we all did. He saw a bright future filled with kids and love and life. He was a brother, a grandson, a friend. And as his body was slashed to death in a shower stall, ALL of that was taken from him.

THAT is disgusting. THAT is horrific. That is one of the saddest things imaginable.

 

[Leilei]

umm this cocktail is for the DP :floorlaugh:

Yeah, we'll save that one for Chatty Cathy :rocker:

 

[popsicle]

It really bothers me that the prosecutor didn't ask Ryan Burns about JA's physical appearance. Did she have a black eye? A broken nose? Bruises on her wrists, arms, chest, thighs. Just anything that might indicate that TA hit her when she dropped the camera.

I think that would have helped the jury dismiss the whole self defense BS.

well the jury didn't either

 

[LotusPawprint]

"I was looking into buying a gun but they're a little out of my price range now"
... says the woman who stole her grandfather's gun a week before she shot Travis in the face

Why buy when you can steal? Frugal. :banghead:

 

[HauntsForHope]

It really bothers me that the prosecutor didn't ask Ryan Burns about JA's physical appearance. Did she have a black eye? A broken nose? Bruises on her wrists, arms, chest, thighs. Just anything that might indicate that TA hit her when she dropped the camera.

I think that would have helped the jury dismiss the whole self defense BS.

I think he talked about cuts and bandages on her fingers and wearing a long sleeve shirt in hot weather.

 

[lonetraveler]

Insecure people do things for attention/affection. She could have been really sexually aggressive and not insecure or really sexually aggressive and insecure. Don't know which in this case, but I think insecure.

Guys have a way of suggesting things...:blushing:

Yeah, well women have creative minds as well.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I think that's a narcissist.

Psychopaths view people as little more than objects to be used for their own gratification

p. 44 "Without Conscience" - Robert Hare

 

[seattlechiquita]

Court out for today, yes?

 

[Justme84]

My gosh. Imagine this, he's in the shower, naked, with a girl taking photos of him, urging him on, "This will be so sexy, baby." Then BAM, she stabs him in the heart. In shock, he grabs the knife and stumbles up, to get away, to get a breath, to live, to survive. He lurches, with minutes of life left, to the sink, where he futilely cough up blood, straining to breathe, hoping he will make it. But, to make matters impossibly worse, he begins to jerk as he feels the knife being stabbed viciously into his back, once, twice, three times, four, five six, seven, on and on and on..

that scene means that the whole premeditated evidence is out thewindow. why steal and bring a gun if she was just going to stab him in the shwer?

 

[norest4thewicked]

My gosh. Imagine this, he's in the shower, naked, with a girl taking photos of him, urging him on, "This will be so sexy, baby." Then BAM, she stabs him in the heart. In shock, he grabs the knife and stumbles up, to get away, to get a breath, to live, to survive. He lurches, with minutes of life left, to the sink, where he futilely cough up blood, straining to breathe, hoping he will make it. But, to make matters impossibly worse, he begins to jerk as he feels the knife being stabbed viciously into his back, once, twice, three times, four, five six, seven, on and on and on.

He life blood is literally slipping away, but the human instinct to try to survive is great, so he claws around and weak-kneed, falls slowly to the ground. He continues to feel the knife stabbing him, and he can't stop it, but he crawls, pathetically trying to get away. Then, the worst of it all, he feels his murderer straddle him. What is she going to do know? In a second, he knows as he feels her hand jerk his scalp back and feels the knife slice into his neck, so strong, so hard, that his head is almost cut off. He sinks to the ground and he dies. His body is then dragged back to the place he tried to escape and a bullet is put into his face, into his brain. One last indignity.

This happened to a man. A human being. A once sad kid who was druggie parents but who was miraculously recused by his grandmother who loved him and his siblings and taught them her faith which became so important to him. He was imperfect, and had faults. He was possibly even hypocritical at times. But he had dreams like we all did. He saw a bright future filled with kids and love and life. He was a brother, a grandson, a friend. And as his body was slashed to death in a shower stall, ALL of that was taken from him.

THAT is disgusting. THAT is horrific. That is one of the saddest things imaginable.

Beautifully said! He did not deserve to die just because he didn't want to be with a certain person. He just didn't...