Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #3

[LambChop]

Yeah but how many days did it take you to come to that conclusion? Ok maybe not days but it did not occur to you right away, so I am to think that Jodie came up with it, maybe she did but I will never be able to wrap my head around how stupid it was to delete pics. And surely she did not think Tide would eliminate all the pics.

Removing a memory card takes a split second, actually deleting pics using a camera's multi-delete function takes longer. Everyone's knows, at least I thought did, that when you delete something it is simply just moved, easily recoverable.

Just take the damn card! One second and she would have her trophy pics for later.

This is why I say there is not per-meditation, planning of a crime.....HOWEVER I admit that there is per-meditation in the form that can be made in a split second and then extreme rage and over-kill No doubt a jury will want to make someone pay for what happened from the pics in evidence, and that person is Jodie.

The camera was his. She did not bring one so that was not part of the plan, I'm guessing. In the best laid out plans a killer always forgets something. jmo

 

[Ada]

Ok time to come clean. I have been in relationships like JA and TA's. Not the crazy, stabbing kind but the 'no strings we aren't really dating' kind. I've been both on JA's side of it and TA's side of it.

Yes it sucked when I wanted more and he didn't but I would remind myself that I said it was ok. That made it MY responsibility if it continued. Conversely, when the shoe was on the other foot, I found myself feeling terrible when I learned that my friend was hurt thinking I would change my mind about the relationship.

So, yes, feelings were hurt in both situations but no one was killed. Pull up the big panties, take responsibility for your own choices, and get on with life. :rocker:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think she deleted ALL the photos from the day, including the naked pictures.



I don't have a problem hearing the "other side". But, like most websleuthers, I don't buy it and I'm not here to give it a fair chance.

See this site, primarily, is a crime fighting site. It's a site for those who support victims, survivors and their families - not defendants. It's about finding out what happened to the missing or murdered person and who committed the crime and it's about getting justice and getting the bad guys.

Well, we know jodi arias killed Travis Alexander. Almost all of us here have listened to her coldly lie about her involvement, calmly change her story and try to b.s. the world by sweetly singing Christmas carols. We have now almost all heard about Travis' injuries and how he died. We have heard from Travis' friends and family about what a snake this woman was, how scary and stalkerish. We have heard evidence that points clearly to premeditation. Zero evidence has been presented thus far showing arias was battered or abused. And believe me, I don't know how long you have followed crimes and trials, but if they had such evidence, it would have been leaked all over the place far in advance of trial.

So yeah, I know she's guilty. Just like I did with casey anthony and scott peterson and josh powell. I am not an impartial juror sitting there weighing the evidence.

But lets say I was. Let's say websleuths was not about advocacy but was instead about playing juror. Whether or not Travis Alexander pretended arias didn't exist all the while he was enjoying her sexually, is 100% irrelevant to whether or not arias killed him or whether or not it was self defense. The question posed in your post has nothing to do with a legal question regarding a defense claim. Instead, IMO, the only purpose it serves is to express the view or plant the idea that this victims kind of asked for what he got. He kind of deserved it a little. And I'm sorry, but I have a real darn problem with that. Maybe that's because I don't hate men, I don't know.

But to the point of your question, no. I do not think it is disgusting at all. I think, if he was lying about contact with her, it evidences shame about his poor judgment and conduct that went against the mores of his religion. It could evidence some hypocrisy. But disgusting? My response I felt showed that clearly by pointing out, by way of comparison, that on the scale of evil, there was barely a change in level and that the question, in light of why there is trial at all, in this case, is baffling.

I certainly accept your point of view but I definitely don;t have to agree with it.

Thanks just wasn't enough! Excellent post!

Most of us here also thoroughly understand the job of a defense attorney! It's has absolutely nothing to do with finding the truth!

 

[TorisMom003]

I know for me personally there is nothing, NOTHING, "fun" about a murder victim. While there may be some "fun" posts about how cute the ME is or a joke about something else it has nothing to do with what happened to the victim. It is a way to remain sane when having the harsh reality of a cold-blooded killer and their "handy work" in your face. Why do we follow these cases if it is hard to deal with? Because someone has to give a d@mn. Someone has to remember the victim, stand up for the victim, say that it is not right at all what happened to the victim. Someone has to witness the horror so that the victim is not forgotten. Have some already made up their minds about Jodi's guilt? You bet'cha! After all, Jodi herself (finally after numerous lies before) has admitted to her own guilt. The pictures really are worth a thousand words. There was ALOT of rage involved in this killing. ALOT. And when a defendant is fighting for their lives (death penalty) they of course are going to fight with any underhanded means they can think of. How many defendants have actually stood in court after being charged in a first degree murder case where the death penalty is an option and said, "Yes, I killed them in cold blood because I wanted to, because they didn't give me what I wanted, because I felt like killing them."? How many instead use some sort of excuse for their crime? How many of them blame the victim?

I am interested in knowing if Jodi has any proof of Travis being abusive to her. Does she have anyone that has witnessed any sort of abuse? During the opening statement of the defense did they say that they would be calling witnesses that saw the abuse? Or are they simply relying on the word of a liar who has every reason to lie since she is facing the death penalty?

MOO

 

[LotusPawprint]

I am by no means saying she's innocent or even that the self defense is what happened. I am saying that in spite of what emotions
this whole thing stirs up in me I am willing to believe there is
more to this than meets the eye.

I have read all of these posts. A large percent are speculation
on how she is an evil woman who seduced him with sex and he didn't
have a chance cuz he was so innocent. Tons of average joes thinking they know that
she's void of emotion because Nancy Grace told them so.

1st bbm - That's great. I think there may be others who are willing to believe there's more than meets the eye, too. It's possible and perhaps probable that many people find her Guilty based on the evidence presented, not just how gosh-awful and emotional this all is. I think the incredible WS posters deserve a heck of a lot more credit than that.


2nd bbm - Guess I'm gonna reiterate what I said previously. Is that kind of comment really necessary? "Tons of average joes thinking they know that she's void of emotion because Nancy Grace told them so." C'mon.
I know I love WS because the quality of the awesome people here is above and beyond.

 

[LambChop]

What I am saying though is that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if she is or isn't an evil woman or if Travis was or wasn't innocent. He did not deserve to die at her hands. Period. There is no other way to put it. She had no reason to take his life. Even if he was a jerk, if he was a player, if he verbally or emotionally abused her or EVEN if he physically abused her. She had NO RIGHT to kill him, and especially in the horrific way that she did.

And, I don't watch Nancy Grace. Many here don't.

From what I can gather JA dumped her first boyfriend for Travis and killed Travis while on her way to visit her new boyfriend. If she had a new BF why was it necessary to go all that way, out of her way, to see TA. Tell me who appears to be the Shallow Hal here? jmo

 

[Lucylu7]

TH's have been saying that JA will have to take the stand if they are going to use self defense, cause no one else can provide the reasons for this? Is this true? If so, I don't care what happens I'm not gonna miss this.

I would love to see that ,but I don't expect to see Jodi take the stand.They said the same thing in Casey's trial and she didn't take the stand.Sure would be great to watch tho!

 

[BritsKate]

He's such a tool

:floorlaugh:
I think you quoted the wrong post...unless you meant my ex whom I was referencing with my 'personal experience and knowledge' claim. If so, I concur.

 

[popsicle]

I don't think it had anything to do with cleaning his body. I think she showered when finished standing over a dead Travis in that shower. She may have even stood ON him to do it.

that may be because I don't see how she could stand in there with him in there like that

 

[TigerBalm]

RIP Travis
Justice will prevail

This pic gets me more then the autopsy photos, the fear in his eyes is haunting!

 

[Linda7NJ]

:floorlaugh:
I think you quoted the wrong post...unless you meant my ex whom I was referencing with my 'personal experience and knowledge' claim. If so, I concur.

Lol I was taking about Dr Drew

 

[Linda7NJ]

that may be because I don't see how she could stand in there with him in there like that

She had to clean up somewhere......when she was finished slaughtering Travis.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think I've read and heard many times that premeditation can be made within a minute's time. I'm sure one of our sleuthers has a link.

She had time to find a knife. Then had time to go back up those stairs (assuming the knife was downstairs in the kitchen), do whatever she was doing with the camera, and... well, we saw the result.

Also, the gun. She brought the gun. Why?

Imo, this is going to be one of the easiest cases to prove premeditation. You are right premeditation can be formed within a minutes time or as long as it takes for the mind to formulate the idea and then carry it out. Everything in this case points directly to premeditation planned days before when she stole her grandparent's gun.

Jurors dont buy into coincidences....they believe that everything is done for a purpose in a murder trial. The very fact that shortly before Travis was murdered a 25 caliber gun happened to be stolen from the very place she lived shows premeditation. Then Travis only a few days later is.......oops killed by none other than a .25 caliber weapon. The jury will not dismiss that fact. Nor that the knife was never found at the scene of the crime.

She goes 90 miles to rent a vehicle and is a blonde then when she meets with her potential new lover she is a brunette. She and Travis are no longer an item yet her palm print is going to be found at the crime scene maybe even in blood. I also believe her DNA where she cut her fingers in her psycho slashing slaughter will be found at the murder scene.

So if she was really defending herself from a larger male it would be she who would have the extensive defensive wounds instead it is the victim, Travis, who has defensive wounds where he frantically tried to save his life.

As the abuse expert stated on IS yesterday Travis was 30 years old yet everyone who knew him including women who had dated him said Travis was anything but violent and aggressive. Not one person that really knew Travis ..even dating him is going to say he was ever abusive to anyone. The abuse excuse is one of the most terrible defense agruments Ive seen especially being used in this case......with the evidence that exist shows she was the stalker and ultimate abuser in that relationship.

This is a case filled with evil and a woman determined to seek revenge on a man she knew she could never have. She wanted the prestige, the big nice house, the fancy cars, the nice trips, and most of all she wanted to own Travis.

When she knew he was going on with his life without her in it she premeditated her heinous cruel acts and then carried them out.

Just listening to this revolting creature there is psycophathic behavior present. The way she lies with ease......the way she laughs yet is supposed to be so distraught over Travis's death... . going onto another man just hours after she had murdered another man shows she has no conscience or remorse. She fakes it because even she knows she has to mimic normalcy however she is very inept at doing so and what she said not only is lies but comes across as bizarre.

She tells the Detective that Travis urged her to face her fear of firearms. An abusive man doesnt want his real victim harmed so Arias is the biggest liar about being abused by Travis.

I can see this evil woman standing over him as he lay dying and shooting him in the face and telling him "Well Travis you were right......I did get over my fear of using a gun.':furious:

She is diabolical. A wolf in sheep's clothing and I know the jury is going to do the right thing this time. This will not be another CA injustice. She's in Sheriff Joe's country this time. No namby pamby jurors. They will not be fooled by lies.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Imo, this is going to be one of the easiest cases to prove premeditation. You are right premeditation can be formed within a minutes time or as long as it takes for the mind to formulate the idea and then carry it out. Everything in this case points directly to premeditation planned days before when she stole her grandparent's gun.

Jurors dont buy into coincidences....they believe that everything is done for a purpose in a murder trial. The very fact that shortly before Travis was murdered a 25 caliber gun happened to be stolen from the very place she lived shows premeditation. Then Travis only a few days later is.......oops killed by none other than a .25 caliber weapon. The jury will not dismiss that fact. Nor that the knife was never found at the scene of the crime.

She goes 90 miles to rent a vehicle and is a blonde then when she meets with her potential new lover she is a brunette. She and Travis are no longer an item yet her palm print is going to be found at the crime scene maybe even in blood. I also believe her DNA where she cut her fingers in her psycho slashing slaughter will be found at the murder seen.

So if she was really defending herself from a larger male it would be she who would have the extensive defensive wounds instead it is the victim, Travis, who has defensive wounds where he frantically tried to save his life.

As the abuse expert stated on IS yesterday Travis was 30 years old yet everyone who knew him including women who had dated him said Travis was anything but violent and aggressive. Not one person that really knew Travis ..even dating him is going to say he was ever abusive to anyone. The abuse excuse is one of the most terrible defense agruments Ive seen especially being used in this case......with the evidence that exist.

This is a case filled with evil and a woman determined to seek revenge on a man she knew she could never have. She wanted the prestige, the big nice house, the fancy cars, the nice trips, and most of all she wanted to own Travis.

When she knew he was going on with his life without her in it she premeditated her heinous cruel acts and then carried them out.

Just listening to these creature there is psycophathic behavior present. The way she lies with ease......the way she laughs yet is supposed to be so distraught over Travis's death... . going onto another man just hours after she had murdered another man shows she has no conscience or remorse. She fakes it because even she knows she has to mimic normalcy however she is very inept at doing so and what she said not only is lies but comes across as bizarre.

She tells the Detective that Travis urged her to face her fear of firearms. An abusive man doesnt want his real victim harmed so Arias is the biggest liar about being abused by Travis.

I can see this evil woman standing over him as he lay dying and shooting him in the face and telling him "Well Travis you were right......I did get over my fear of using a gun.':furious:

She is diabolical. A wolf in sheep's clothing and I know the jury is going to do the right thing this time. This will not be another CA injustice. She's in Sheriff Joe's country this time. No namby pamby jurors. They will not be fooled by lies.

IMO

Whooooo hoooooo finally! We are in agreement!

I love posting with you when we agree not so much when we don't...cause you make great arguments.

 

[HauntsForHope]

What exactly is the jury going to decide? She admitted to killing him, so they are looking at levels of guilt? Like murder 1, murder 2, manslaughter?

 

[bobloblaw]

Are there any statistics of women who were sexually, verbally or physically abused and killed their abuser, but didn't call police?

Probably about the same amount as mothers that don't report their child missing. (FCA)

 

[TorisMom003]

Something to think about.........

If someone believes that Travis played a part in his death because of the way he "used" Jodi when it came to sex without a true committed relationship, does that then mean that Jodi should also be killed in the same way she killed Travis since she herself was "using" Ryan (and who knows how many other guys) as an alibi and possibly sex as well without a true committed relationship?

 

[BritsKate]

I know for me personally there is nothing, NOTHING, "fun" about a murder victim. While there may be some "fun" posts about how cute the ME is or a joke about something else it has nothing to do with what happened to the victim. It is a way to remain sane when having the harsh reality of a cold-blooded killer and their "handy work" in your face. Why do we follow these cases if it is hard to deal with? Because someone has to give a d@mn. Someone has to remember the victim, stand up for the victim, say that it is not right at all what happened to the victim. Someone has to witness the horror so that the victim is not forgotten. Have some already made up their minds about Jodi's guilt? You bet'cha! After all, Jodi herself (finally after numerous lies before) has admitted to her own guilt. The pictures really are worth a thousand words. There was ALOT of rage involved in this killing. ALOT. And when a defendant is fighting for their lives (death penalty) they of course are going to fight with any underhanded means they can think of. How many defendants have actually stood in court after being charged in a first degree murder case where the death penalty is an option and said, "Yes, I killed them in cold blood because I wanted to, because they didn't give me what I wanted, because I felt like killing them."? How many instead use some sort of excuse for their crime? How many of them blame the victim?

I am interested in knowing if Jodi has any proof of Travis being abusive to her. Does she have anyone that has witnessed any sort of abuse? During the opening statement of the defense did they say that they would be calling witnesses that saw the abuse? Or are they simply relying on the word of a liar who has every reason to lie since she is facing the death penalty?

MOO

I missed opening statements but I look forward to seeing what they present because Jodi's actions are very atypical for an abuse survivor imo. Witnessing abuse is also kind of on the rare side of things - typically abusers try to conceal their behavior so they can further maintain control. Sometimes abuse will escalate and be visible to others though but that generally causes the abuser to just morph their behaviors.

I honestly just don't know of a single case of on-going long-distance domestic violence in which children weren't shared between the victim and abuser. :waitasec:

 

[manzana]

The camera was his. She did not bring one so that was not part of the plan, I'm guessing. In the best laid out plans a killer always forgets something. jmo

BBM
I realize it was his, she had to have had one as well, she even stated part of her itinerary was to stop by a friend who just had a baby to take pics in LA, while this did not happen, she would have taken a camera, to be honest, I do not think Jodie went anywhere without a camera.


I believe she did take her camera and who knows what pics may be on that?

 

[MsCharlieChan]

Admitted that in HER interview? Lol which one?

She obliterated Travis and skipped away without a care in the world. No remorse. And most importantly...ZERO fear of getting caught. Calm and cool as a cucumber in all of her interviews. That's not the trait of someone love obsessed or insecure.

All IMO

Yes it is a trait of someone love-obsessed or insecure. When I was much younger (in my early 30s), I found myself in a similar break-up as Jodi's with Travis. It doesn't sound like you've been there. But I have...

I can identify 100% with thinking you've FINALLY found Mr. Right, only for him to break it off, leaving you completely bewildered. I can totally identify with needing to stop yourself from hurting someone -- either yourself or the guy...

Many years ago I had a man "promise me the world," then POOF! -- he dropped me like a hot potato. Years later, I realize that he did it because, like Jodi, I had snooped in his personal belongings. Yes, I was INSECURE in this relationship. I lacked confidence and went looking for evidence that he was cheating... And Eureka: I found it!

When I realized it was over, I was beyond devastated. But unlike Jodi: 1) I was raised in a Christian home, and 2) I had too much to lose career-wise to go and hurt him back.

I could have driven to his home and smacked the crap out of the guy. I was angry, fed up with trying to figure out love, and ticked because I felt tricked by a playboy.

But instead of driving to this guy's house to hurt him, I got in my car and literally cried for 500 miles back to my hometown -- to the one place I could feel love. It was the closest I've ever felt to having a mental breakdown... He broke my soul. I could have become violent, but I didn't.

Jodi possibly cried her miles and miles to and/or from Travis' home. But she lacked whatever that is that keeps most women from acting criminally.

My main point: Having your heart broken can drive you off the deep end and make you want to hurt someone. Love isn't a fragrant bed of roses for a lot of people. It can turn ugly.