Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #3

[TorisMom003]

Prosecuting a DP case is very expensive. IMO she'll likely get LWOP anyway.

If ever a person deserved the DP it is Jodi, imo. What she did to Travis is just..........I don't even know the right word to describe it. I have a feeling that the jury is going to think long and hard about this case and that at least a few of them will push for the DP. Especially after sitting there listening to her (Jodi) talking to LE on the phone and seeing the crime scene photos.

MOO

 

[MsCharlieChan]

Sounds like you've found background information about JA. I've sure wanted to understand her childhood. Is there a link to an article about her running away from home young?

I suspect that Jodi was sexually abused by someone as a child. Something happened to this girl. I heard someone on InSession say she dropped out of high school in the 11th grade. Her being extremely quiet in a crowd is not only creepy, it shows some kind of dysfunction. And her being so sexual -- needing a "dildo with a heartbeat," as Travis wrote -- screams that she has some sexual issue.

Last but not least, the new guy, Ryan, said she was sexually aggressive with him. That is toooooo odd!! Don't most women try to act soft and feminine when they're first with a guy?

For Jodi to have been in Ryan's presence for only a couple of hours and then be "manhandling" him sexually sends up a HUGE red flag. Somebody screwed with her as a child and completely screwed this girl up...

I have to wonder if she went psycho on Travis with that knife, as part of a blackout / flashback, as if finally getting even with a man who may have molested her or whatever.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If ever a person deserved the DP it is Jodi, imo. What she did to Travis is just..........I don't even know the right word to describe it. I have a feeling that the jury is going to think long and hard about this case and that at least a few of them will push for the DP. Especially after sitting there listening to her (Jodi) talking to LE on the phone and seeing the crime scene photos.

MOO

I wouldn't have a problem inserting the needle myself, tomorrow.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Sounds like you've found background information about JA. I've sure wanted to understand her childhood. Is there a link to an article about her running away from home young?

I suspect that Jodi was sexually abused by someone as a child. Something happened to this girl. I heard someone on InSession say she dropped out of high school in the 11th grade. Her being extremely quiet in a crowd is not only creepy, it shows some kind of dysfunction. And her being so sexual -- needing a "dildo with a heartbeat," as Travis wrote -- screams that she has some sexual issue.

Last but not least, the new guy, Ryan, said she was sexually aggressive with him. That is toooooo odd!! Don't most women try to act soft and feminine when they're first with a guy?

For Jodi to have been in Ryan's presence for only a couple of hours and then be "manhandling" him sexually sends up a HUGE red flag. Somebody screwed with her as a child and completely screwed this girl up.

Born or made...no one really knows. IMO there is no answer that explains this satisfactorily.

 

[iluvmua]

I would rather Jodi get LWOP than the DP. Travis's friends and family will be waiting a VERY long time for Arizona to put her to death.

I think there is so much about sex in this case because the Prosecution is painting Jodi as a femme fatale who used Travis's weakness (which was sex) to get what she wanted from him.

and when she did not get what she wanted this one last time with her latest sex ploy, she flew into a rage.

I believe they were using each other.

 

[Curious Me]

I don't think it had anything to do with cleaning his body. I think she showered when finished standing over a dead Travis in that shower. She may have even stood ON him to do it.

No bloody shower stall or body, not like the hall and sink area. I can see her cleaning him and singing "Oh Holy Night", but standing on him...:what:

 

[Linda7NJ]

No bloody shower stall or body, not like the hall and sink area. I can see her cleaning him and singing "Oh Holy Night", but standing on him...:what:

Scary! So can I....now that you planted the seed!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Prosecuting a DP case is very expensive. IMO she'll likely get LWOP anyway.

Possible. She has the deck stacked in her favor......white, female, middle class, and not pretty imo but not ugly.

I will be highly ticked though if it does happen.............she deserves no less than death, imo.

IMO

 

[HarvestMoon]

Sounds like you've found background information about JA. I've sure wanted to understand her childhood. Is there a link to an article about her running away from home young?

I suspect that Jodi was sexually abused by someone as a child. Something happened to this girl. I heard someone on InSession say she dropped out of high school in the 11th grade. Her being extremely quiet in a crowd is not only creepy, it shows some kind of dysfunction. And her being so sexual -- needing a "dildo with a heartbeat," as Travis wrote -- screams that she has some sexual issue.

Last but not least, the new guy, Ryan, said she was sexually aggressive with him. That is toooooo odd!! Don't most women try to act soft and feminine when they're first with a guy?

For Jodi to have been in Ryan's presence for only a couple of hours and then be "manhandling" him sexually sends up a HUGE red flag. Somebody screwed with her as a child and completely screwed this girl up...

I have to wonder if she went psycho on Travis with that knife, as part of a blackout / flashback, as if finally getting even with a man who may have molested her or whatever.

Yers I wonder, running away, sexual promiscuity, was she sexually abused?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Possible. She has the deck stacked in her favor......white, female, middle class, and not pretty imo but not ugly.

I will be highly ticked though if it does happen.............she deserves no less than death, imo.

IMO

I agree.

The only downside is his family will have to have the scab ripped off time and time again with all the mandatory appeals and court hearings.

Honestly, I want whatever his loved ones want, whatever is easier for them.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yers I wonder, running away, sexual promiscuity, was she sexually abused?

Who cares? Millions of women are sexually abused and don't slaughter their sex partners

 

[HarvestMoon]

Who cares? Millions of women are sexually abused and don't slaughter their sex partners

I know. I was not/am not justifying anything she did. Just wondering.

 

[GobBluth]

I think she deleted ALL the photos from the day, including the naked pictures.



I don't have a problem hearing the "other side". But, like most websleuthers, I don't buy it and I'm not here to give it a fair chance.

See this site, primarily, is a crime fighting site. It's a site for those who support victims, survivors and their families - not defendants. It's about finding out what happened to the missing or murdered person and who committed the crime and it's about getting justice and getting the bad guys.

Well, we know jodi arias killed Travis Alexander. Almost all of us here have listened to her coldly lie about her involvement, calmly change her story and try to b.s. the world by sweetly singing Christmas carols. We have now almost all heard about Travis' injuries and how he died. We have heard from Travis' friends and family about what a snake this woman was, how scary and stalkerish. We have heard evidence that points clearly to premeditation. Zero evidence has been presented thus far showing arias was battered or abused. And believe me, I don't know how long you have followed crimes and trials, but if they had such evidence, it would have been leaked all over the place far in advance of trial.

So yeah, I know she's guilty. Just like I did with casey anthony and scott peterson and josh powell. I am not an impartial juror sitting there weighing the evidence.

But lets say I was. Let's say websleuths was not about advocacy but was instead about playing juror. Whether or not Travis Alexander pretended arias didn't exist all the while he was enjoying her sexually, is 100% irrelevant to whether or not arias killed him or whether or not it was self defense. The question posed in your post has nothing to do with a legal question regarding a defense claim. Instead, IMO, the only purpose it serves is to express the view or plant the idea that this victim kind of asked for what he got. He kind of deserved it a little. And I'm sorry, but I have a real darn problem with that. Maybe that's because I don't hate men, I don't know.

I approach this information a little differently than if I was a juror. The jurors have the responsibility to be completely impartial. I don't. I try to be as open-minded as I possibly can, but I form/change opinions as I gather information just like most other people do daily. If I were a juror, tho, I would do my best to be as impartial as humanly possible.

I have not posted my opinions about TA's personality one way or the other. For some reason, I haven't felt right about further magnifying the issue. I suppose I find it along the same lines as commenting on the type of revealing clothing that a rape victim might have worn. It is irrevelent to me, and honestly, rather distasteful, IMO.

I understand that the DT is going to bring these issues up, and that is an unfortunate reality. Collateral damage, so to speak. But I am not going to perpetuate it by adding my opinion one way or the other. When the victim has behaved in a way to warrant the crime, then I will comment. Otherwise, it goes in one ear and out the other for me. So anyway...back to the pertinent info, lol.

 

[Sulamith]

Agreed!

How many Christians are virgins when they marry? My guess...a scare few.

I have hated that the sex seems to have become such an issue in this case. These were two consenting adults. The religious aspect is entered in this case for no other purpose than to victimize the victim all over again. He was a Morman but he was also a healthy 30 year old man with human weaknesses. Big deal... that makes him just like a lot of other people who sin everyday but still believe in God.

I think she was the great manipulator. She thought if she could lure him into becoming addicted to her sex ploys that he would be controlled by her and stay with her but even he knew Jodi Arias was not what he really needed in a wife. All she was ........was easy peasy shoving 'it" in his face and coming through doggie doors to creep into his bed as he lay sleeping.

I dont blame Travis whatsoever for his own death. He did the right thing......even talking her into moving far away from him. They both knew the attraction was nothing more than a sexual attraction even though Jodi tried to pretend there was more there than there was. Jodi knew it and he did too ....both felt like sex toys. But in Jodi's obsessed (Glenn Close) mind she really thought she could use sex as a control tool to snare the man she wanted because Travis's future was bright, exciting, and promising and her life without Travis was mundane and average at best.

FGS! They just dated for 5 months and werent even engaged. He really had no committment to her whatsoever.

IMO

I hear you and agree but...The Mormon church is different than other Christian churches. There are three levels of "heaven" the highest level being the Celestial Kingdom where their Heavenly Father resides. Then there are the Telestial and Terrestial Kingdoms. Then there is Outer Darkness for the people who deny the Holy Ghost. No Hell as other Christians have.

To be able to go the Celestial Kingdom, one must have a temple recommend and there is an expiration date. When it expires the member has to go their Bishop and/or Stake President and answer worthiness questions and they either pass or fail. Fail, no recommend for you and if you don't ever qualify for one again..no Celestial Heaven/residing with Heavenly Father for you.

Probably more than anybody wants or needs to know about Mormonism but I point the above out to say that it is a big, big deal to sin. I don't think the religion aspect brought up in this trial is to victimize TA. TA was living a double life so he could keep his good standing in his church JMHO

 

[Karmady]

I have hated that the sex seems to have become such an issue in this case. These were two consenting adults. The religious aspect is entered in this case for no other purpose than to victimize the victim all over again. He was a Morman but he was also a healthy 30 year old man with human weaknesses. Big deal... that makes him just like a lot of other people who sin everyday but still believe in God.I think she was the great manipulator. She thought if she could lure him into becoming addicted to her sex ploys that he would be controlled by her and stay with her but even he knew Jodi Arias was not what he really needed in a wife. All she was ........was easy peasy shoving 'it" in his face and coming through doggie doors to creep into his bed as he lay sleeping.

I dont blame Travis whatsoever for his own death. He did the right thing......even talking her into moving far away from him. They both knew the attraction was nothing more than a sexual attraction even though Jodi tried to pretend there was more there than there was. Jodi knew it and he did too ....both felt like sex toys. But in Jodi's obsessed (Glenn Close) mind she really thought she could use sex as a control tool to snare the man she wanted because Travis's future was bright, exciting, and promising and her life without Travis was mundane and average at best.

FGS! They just dated for 5 months and werent even engaged. He really had no committment to her whatsoever.

IMO

~bbm

Do you know an LDS person personally. If you do, ask them how big of a deal pre-marital sex is.


eta: didn't read Sula's before I posted, so redundant. It's a HUGE big deal.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Sounds like you've found background information about JA. I've sure wanted to understand her childhood. Is there a link to an article about her running away from home young?

I suspect that Jodi was sexually abused by someone as a child. Something happened to this girl. I heard someone on InSession say she dropped out of high school in the 11th grade. Her being extremely quiet in a crowd is not only creepy, it shows some kind of dysfunction. And her being so sexual -- needing a "dildo with a heartbeat," as Travis wrote -- screams that she has some sexual issue.

Last but not least, the new guy, Ryan, said she was sexually aggressive with him. That is toooooo odd!! Don't most women try to act soft and feminine when they're first with a guy?

For Jodi to have been in Ryan's presence for only a couple of hours and then be "manhandling" him sexually sends up a HUGE red flag. Somebody screwed with her as a child and completely screwed this girl up...

I have to wonder if she went psycho on Travis with that knife, as part of a blackout / flashback, as if finally getting even with a man who may have molested her or whatever.

With all due respect....this is complete BS. I am so tired of hearing about all of the sexually abused people who end up doing all of these crimes because of their abuse. I'm sure that if she had been abused, that she would have used it already. I know it is hard to accept, but some people are just born "bad eggs". This is an insult to those who actually were sexually abused and who have gone on to lead normal lives.

 

[jevipo74]

Just caught up after coming back from the doctor. Wow...listening to Jodi's verbal vomit made my head spin. She reminded me of the interviews I have seen of Diane Downs. They both think that if they talk enough they can explain it all away.

 

[lovelydork]

I seriously can't keep up with this thread because it is moving so fast, just wanted to drop in out of my lurking and thank everyone for their input! and for the links
<3

 

[Linda7NJ]

I approach this information a little differently than if I was a juror. The jurors have the responsibility to be completely impartial. I don't. I try to be as open-minded as I possibly can, but I form/change opinions as I gather information just like most other people do daily. If I were a juror, tho, I would do my best to be as impartial as humanly possible.

I have not posted my opinions about TA's personality one way or the other. For some reason, I haven't felt right about further magnifying the issue. I suppose I find it along the same lines as commenting on the type of revealing clothing that a rape victim might have worn. It is irrevelent to me, and honestly, rather distasteful, IMO.

I understand that the DT is going to bring these issues up, and that is an unfortunate reality. Collateral damage, so to speak. But I am not going to perpetuate it by adding my opinion one way or the other. When the victim has behaved in a way to warrant the crime, then I will comment. Otherwise, it goes in one ear and out the other for me. So anyway...back to the pertinent info, lol.

I'll admit I'm not and have not been an unbiased juror. I tried. Really, I tried. But...because I understand the process, thoroughly, I favor the prosecution. I understand the defenses job is to raise reasonable doubt, muddy the waters using smoke & mirrors and out and out lies. I also understand "reasonable doubt" doesn't mean beyond ALL doubt.

Here on WB innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply! Thankfully!

 

[LambChop]

I know. I was not/am not justifying anything she did. Just wondering.

I think they would have been dead a long time ago by her hand. She certainly had no problem trying to pull this off. Essentially she killed him three times. jmo