Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #4

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  • #821
It's my understanding that the closet (not the linen closet, but his clothing closet) had a separate door and "hallway" through from the bedroom to the bathroom. IMO, it would have provided a perfect route from the bathroom after removing her clothing and shoes and bundling them up in a towel to proceed through the unbloodied closet, into the master bedroom and just avoid the blood stain on the carpet of the hallway leading to the bathroom. There was a drop or two of blood right outside the closet door - maybe from her cuts?

I agree, he could have also grabbed some of Travis' clothes from the closet to put on as well.

WHY...would she place him in the closet for a bit? who to hide him from? I mean just leave him in the middle of the bathroom while she showers. Can someone explain it to me please? Thanks

He wasn't placed in the closet, no blood was found in the closet.

Thanks for your comment. I'm still curious, though...

1. I didn't realize he had a brain concussion.

2. I thought they said the bullet -- miraculously -- didn't go through Travis' brain.

3. What caused the concussion? A gunshot wound? Could it have been a kick in the head? Or that his head "whiplashed" on a wall and jogged his brain around?

4. My understanding is that people can live a while with a concussion. (Example: actress Natasha Richardson). So, if gunshot in the head caused a concussion -- but didn't go through his brain -- seems he could have crawled and still put up a fight.

The bullet passed through his brain after entering above his right eyebrow and ending up still lodged in his left cheek. Dr. Horn testified that a bullet is much different then other brain injuries because of the gases.
 
  • #822
Back on
 
  • #823
they're back
 
  • #824
WHY...would she place him in the closet for a bit? who to hide him from? I mean just leave him in the middle of the bathroom while she showers. Can someone explain it to me please? Thanks

where else was she going to put him? I don't think she was hiding him from anyone it was a matter of convenience. She couldn't drag him out of the house. And she probably knew that they both couldn't fit in the shower at the same time.

I think she placed him there for a time so she could clean up around the bathroom. I think she used the cup to clear out a way for her out of the bathroom hallway. I'm not sure if the sink was found open as it is in the pictures but it appears she might have used cleaning products under the sink. And it's possible that if she placed him there for a bit she also took a shower to clean off the majority of blood from her body.

In any even based off the photos of the linen closet and not find blood up high on the shelves but only on the floor I would presume that the cardboard box tells a story that he had been laying in there for a considerable about of time bleeding out.

She didn't completely stop from getting blood through the house. There was some found by the washer and dryer and the power room sink.
 
  • #825
We're baaaaack!
 
  • #826
OMG........tell me she didn't use his cc account to eat breakfast after she offed him

We think these things she did were horrible -- she ain't like us!!! Thank you, God.
 
  • #827
motive and bias...hmmm...
 
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One thing is for sure: poor Travis fought to survive. It's heartwrenching... as Gitana wrote in her previous scenario. :cry:

I'm glad someone brought up gitana1's post from the previous thread. I have finally caught up but don't know how to bring over posts from previous threads. That post was incredibly moving. gitana1, please let us know if you ever decide to write true crime. I'd buy all your books!
 
  • #831
Good grief! This is painful.


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  • #832
I bet she is writing the alphabet over and over and over again.
 
  • #833
I assume the defense's case relies on a story that he was shot first, didn't go down, kept coming after her, until she killed him with a knife. So the defense is trying to refute the ME's opinion that the stabbing happened first.


ETA: They want the jurors to think the ME is changing his story to fit the prosecution's theory. Remember they grilled the ME about this, i.e., "didn't you tell Detective that he was shot first?", and the ME was getting really pissed.

This is from a hearing on 8-10-09 concerning defendant’s Request for Determination of Probable Cause on Alleged Aggravating Factor. The Court found there was probable cause which opened the door for the death penalty to be sought. In the evidentiary hearing the State argument was:

"Cruelty
A first degree murder is “especially cruel” if the victim suffers physical pain or mental anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer. State v. McCray, 218 Ariz. 252, 259, ¶31, 183 P.3d 503, 510 (2008). To establish this aggravating factor, the State does not need to prove that the victim was conscious for “each and every wound
inflicted.” State v. Sansing, 206 Ariz. 232, 235, ¶10, 77 P.3d 30, 34 (2003). Physical pain may be found where a conscious victim physically suffered for at least a short period of time. State v. William Herrera, Jr., 176 Ariz. 21, 859 P.2d 131 (1993) (finding victim was lying on the ground with a gash in his head for at least 18 seconds and possibly as much as two to three minutes).

The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.

The victim was then stabbed 27 times in the back, shoulders, head and chest. Cuts on the hands were defensive wounds from grabbing the knife. With the exception of two wounds, these wounds were not fatal. The two fatal wounds were a deep stab wound to the chest and then a cut
across the throat. While conscious, the victim would have felt pain and mental anguish associated with these multiple wounds.

The Court finds that the State has proved that there is probable cause to believe that the offense was especially cruel under the theory that it involved both physical and mental suffering of the victim."

The full minutes can be read here: http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3846408.pdf
 
  • #834
IMO she stood over a dead Travis and showered.


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from seeing the picture of his body in the shower when he was found, I honestly dont think its possible. The shower was not very big and he was in the fetal position kinda sitting up, slumped to the side in the shower. I dont think its possible for anyone else to even stand in there with him...

JMO
 
  • #835
That testimony should never had been admitted in the hearing... hearsay, hearsay, hearsay!!
 
  • #836
ROFL I love this detective. He keeps getting that he spoke with Dr Horn and they discussed the anguish and pain Travis was in.
 
  • #837
It IS gruesome to most of us, I'm sure, Cuckoohead -- but she isn't one of us -- after she did what she did to him, would there really be a limit in her mind as to doing whatever else? She may have taken pleasure in washing her dirt & incrimination off onto him. "Take that, you esso bee," she says with a wicked smile. <gag>

It really is too gruesome, I'd rather think she went to another shower. I already think Jodi is not to be confused with a human being but where does she draw the line. Is there even a line at all? I guess not, how soulless an existence that must be.
 
  • #838
They can discredit Det. Flores all they want, IMO, because his most important testimony at this point is re: his phone call w/Jodi Arias. That has all been recorded.

He could be a registered member of the Aryan Nations with an advanced case of Alzheimer's, and it wouldn't change that recorded phone call. MOO.
 
  • #839
There is something that isn't making sense to me. On one hand it is reported that she was very into him, on the other hand it is reported that she was just a shell of a person. Those two seem to contradict each other.
 
  • #840
It's not like he lied, he misunderstood!!
 
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