Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #4

[Isabelle]

Her artwork is impressive. Too bad she didn't continue to pursue art instead of men. She may well have made a name for herself in the art world one day.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I think we're saying the same thing: he has defensive wounds, she doesn't yet claimed she killed him in self-defense. But I think she was aggravating him, trying to get him to attack her to make her stop - so that she would then have defensive wounds and therefore her plan would be more believable. But he didn't bite, or it just wasn't in him to physically harm a woman, no matter what torture he was going through.

Hope this makes sense!

ETA: In other words, she had a plan to provoke him so that she could sustain some defensive wounds before murdering him, to have the wounds as evidence. Just a thought I had - that maybe that's why he looks so miserable in that shower photo.

Belimon, I don't think so. I think JA lost it in a blind rage and butchered TA. We need to remember her first story to police. That is the one where she was no where near his house and hadn't seen him in a few months. Jodi hoped no evidence would surface to rebute her. The self defense claim, IMO, is the last straw that the defense has to offer to try to mitigate Jodi's guilt. It is the third or fourth story JA has given. I really think the defense would have been better off with a plea of insanity but I don't think she was insane either. She tried to cover her tracks. She planned this murder and if Travis didn't take her to Cancun his life was forfeit.

 

[wenwe4]

I don't want to start a religious focused thread, but have a question: Is it some members of the Mormon faith that practice polygamy?

I see there are many answers to your question and I haven't finished catching up - so please forgive if already been discussed in depth . . .

In the original Mormon Church - started by Joseph Smith and continued by Brigham Young - one of the things that set this church aside from other new christian religions of the day was the practice of polygamy. When Utah became a State and Mormon polygamists were most of the population there - the Federal Govt issued an edict that they would no longer practice polygamy or lose State status and Federal funding/recongition. At the time, Mormons denounced the practice - many of the "fundamentalist Mormons" moved out of the area - some to Mexico and Canada to continue the practice and keep the "original church" tenants.

Many LDS today will tell you that they no longer practice polygamy (attempting to distance themselves from this embarrassing portion of their history) and will tell you they only did that to "populate the church" in the early days. It is still part of their scripture (Doctorine and Covenants #132) and has not been removed to this day.

The Word of Wisdom is another scripture that is holy (and often was held to a higher standard than the 10 Commandments in earlier days) - citing no tobacco, no alcohol, no "hot drinks" - translating into caffeine, and no pre-marital sex.

There was also a practice of "blood atonement" in the early days of Mormonism - and a huge Meadow Massacre that is also a great stain on the history of the church.

There are many wonderful and dear people who are practicing Mormons today and they really do try so hard to live a "worthy life". The trouble comes that when there are ones who do not and lie about it. . . . and there are many of those.

In Travis's case it illustrates how "interconnected" the LDS church members are. His employment was closely tied to many members of his church, he was flown out to be an "inspirational speaker" for many of those members. The Cancun trip he won at work included he and a friend staying @ an LDS member's home (not a hotel). He made up to 10K per month from friends and family members of many LDS people.

His upstanding "Mormon" values and virtues are all considered as part of his overall trustworthy character in his home life, career and church standing. Jodi held the biggest threat over him due to his "pre-marital sex" becoming public in the church, his work, his colleagues, his customers, his financial status, his upstanding reputation in his community.

As long as he "violations against his church and God" could be kept quiet, secret, and denied - he would suffer no significant consequences.

I also see the latest churchs' stand on caffeine vs. not drinking "hot drinks" as specifically outlined in the Word of Wisdom as yet another attempt @ "semantics" - much like the whole anal and oral sex aren't as much of a sin as vaginal.

Rationalizing and compartmentalizing and offering semantics for specific meanings of what constitues a sin is very much a part of the LDS church - since it's inception (in my opinion and my experience).

 

[norest4thewicked]

Am not trying to be too pushy here, but I'm not sure the friend said Travis was actually dead, only that something was wrong, "they" found Travis and there was a lot of blood. Did she "infer" that Travis was dead or..?

ETA wondering if the call that told Jodi that actually mentioned a dead Travis came before or after Det spoke to her. Certainly it would have made the news, so that would cover her knowing about it.

As I am trying to say...there were TWO calls. One was at the time the police were at the house where Travis was found, and then one that night that told her Travis was dead. The detective asked her, "What have you heard" and she said "That there was a lot of blood". This was NOT the same phone call where it was just happening.

 

[Isabelle]

I think she provides a lot of insight into Travis. I really pray all those who loved him are able to find some measure of peace. She's really struggled with her loss.

http://lisa-andrews.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Travis Alexander

Thanks for posting the link. That pic of Travis and Lisa on the dance floor is so precious. Sounds like they could have been a 'forever couple'. so sad.

 

[Isabelle]

As I am trying to say...there were TWO calls. One was at the time the police were at the house where Travis was found, and then one that night that told her Travis was dead. The detective asked her, "What have you heard" and she said "That there was a lot of blood". This was NOT the same phone call where it was just happening.

Thanks so much, I think I'm clear on it now.

 

[belimom]

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Hughes added: "To say Jodi was creepy and obsessed with Travis would be a huge understatement."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/jodi-arias_n_1174274.html#s579311&title=Jodi_Arias

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That article is really great - it has a lot of information in it that folks should read if they want a bigger picture.

I came to this case kind of late, so perhaps it has already been discussed - but I didn't realize that that she first claimed not to have seen him for a month or so before the murder, then she claimed she was there but it was a home invasion (and she actually pushed herself past the man with the gun to escape), before finally claiming self-defense. Unfrigginbelievable...

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I wonder when the prosecutor is going to play the taped phone message Jodi left on Travis's recorder several days after she killed him. I can imagine it going something like this...

'Hey handsome! I guess you are still away on your vacation, soaking up the rays and enjoying life. I miss ya. Call me when you get back! Love and kisses! Bye!!!'

Yeah that makes self defense ring sooooooooo true.

 

[belimom]

Belimon, I don't think so. I think JA lost it in a blind rage and butchered TA. We need to remember her first story to police. That is the one where she was no where near his house and hadn't seen him in a few months. Jodi hoped no evidence would surface to rebute her. The self defense claim, IMO, is the last straw that the defense has to offer to try to mitigate Jodi's guilt. It is the third or fourth story JA has given. I really think the defense would have been better off with a plea of insanity but I don't think she was insane either. She tried to cover her tracks. She planned this murder and if Travis didn't take her to Cancun his life was forfeit.

I thought perhaps she just 'lost it' also, but then the whole thing with the stolen gun from her grandparents not too long before she used it on Travis. I now think it was fully premeditated... I could be wrong, but that's where I am at this point. Whatever the reason, it was a terrible awful death... and I hope she pays dearly.

 

[WhatsupAZ]

When the PA asked Ryan if she "adjusted you" I think he meant when she climbed on top of you did she adjust your body under hers... ryan said yes... indicating that she was strong enough to lift his body weight under her. They were talking about her working out and six pac abs at the time.

We all giggled and blushed over the "adjust you" but I hope the jury isn't filled with gutter minds like us. It was an important point.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Thanks so much, I think I'm clear on it now.

It's so difficult sometimes to get an idea across through just typing. AND, there is so much in this trial that it's easy to get mixed up. God knows, I do it all the time!

 

[BritsKate]

For me Ryan showed the complete disconnect emotionally Jodi had towards Travis.

If she was abused, if she was in fear for her life, I wouldn't expect her to be emotionally capable of just putting all that to one side for the next guy just hours later.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm impressed, her art work is fabulous.


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[missy1974]

When the PA asked Ryan if she "adjusted you" I think he meant when she climbed on top of you did she adjust your body under hers... ryan said yes... indicating that she was strong enough to lift his body weight under her. They were talking about her working out and six pac abs at the time.

We all giggled and blushed over the "adjust you" but I hope the jury isn't filled with gutter minds like us. It was an important point.

I don't want to make it sound like I'm defending JA at all. BUT... I doubt there was much resistance from him when she was 'adjusting' him. Not the type of resistance you would get when stabbing someone.

Some of what they are saying in court, doesn't always make sense to me. I mean .... she has admitted to killing him now, so there is no question about if she could do it, did she do it. I guess they have to leave no questions in the minds of the jurors.

 

[popsicle]

When the PA asked Ryan if she "adjusted you" I think he meant when she climbed on top of you did she adjust your body under hers... ryan said yes... indicating that she was strong enough to lift his body weight under her. They were talking about her working out and six pac abs at the time.

We all giggled and blushed over the "adjust you" but I hope the jury isn't filled with gutter minds like us. It was an important point.

no, I think he meant his junk. He also asked him if he touched her vajayjay

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I'm impressed, her art work is fabulous.


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Yeah, but weren't we all kinda secretly hoping it sucked? Could be a nice little career for her if she is going to spend the rest of her life in prison :jail:

 

[Camdenres]

Does In Session stream live on line?
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[popsicle]

It bothers me that they wait until this case goes to trial to decide to sell the art work.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I wonder when the prosecutor is going to play the taped phone message Jodi left on Travis's recorder several days after she killed him. I can imagine it going something like this...

'Hey handsome! I guess you are still away on your vacation, soaking up the rays and enjoying life. I miss ya. Call me when you get back! Love and kisses! Bye!!!'

Yeah that makes self defense ring sooooooooo true.

I got chills reading that.

You could be right.

 

[WhatsupAZ]

I don't want to make it sound like I'm defending JA at all. BUT... I doubt there was much resistance from him when she was 'adjusting' him. Not the type of resistance you would get when stabbing someone.

Some of what they are saying in court, doesn't always make sense to me. I mean .... she has admitted to killing him now, so there is no question about if she could do it, did she do it. I guess they have to leave no questions in the minds of the jurors.

I know, right? Too bad we can't just kick off the trial with Jody on the stand. Save tax dollars. I can't wait to see her cross ex'ed! (Dont dash my positive thinking bubble... I wanna see her on the stand!)