norest4thewicked
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But, why would that matter? She's already admitted she was there and that she killed him.
Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #4
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But, why would that matter? She's already admitted she was there and that she killed him.
They didn't show us the pics, we heard them described.
norest4thewicked
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Me too.
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I was wondering if in that one photo, the one with her foot, his head, arm and shoulder, if she was stabbing him then. The way his arm is up and the way the defensive wound is on his hand. I am thinking this was when she slit his throat.
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yes, we won't see the naked pictures I believe
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Can you remember who described them and in what context it was said?
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Everyone needs to remember that even though the DT said she did it (I don't think she confessed to the Police), the state still has to prove the case "Beyond reasonable doubt"
I thought the same when looking at how low they were on the wall. I'm certain she stabbed him many many times while is was incapacitated laying on the floor.
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lunch break until 1530... (time for nurse to take down her Christmas tree)
January 10, 2013 morning
State calls Lisa Perry, works for the city of Mesa, PD and she is a forensic scientist and she works in the Biology section (DNA, bodily fluids, etc. collects samples and sends them on for analysis).
--Perry attended to the TA crime scene June 10, 2008 and was there for two days.
--She was looking at blood stains to see if she could determine how they got there.
--Focus was the master bathroom. Focus was the bathroom because that was where the blood was.
--Perry takes samples and prepares them for DNA analysis. Example, swabbing or cutting material and sending them to the lab. Perry can conduct a presumptive test for blood at the scene. Swabs were taken by others who were at the scene. Perry did a few of the prelimary color tests.
--Downstairs restroom, sink in the downstairs restroom, tile at the base of the stairs, washing machine.
--One stain on the top of the washing machine that was positive. Perry swabbed the machine but somebody else put the numbers on the machine.
--In the downstairs bathroom she did a swab in the sink that was positive.
--swab of the downstairs cabinet was negative.
--In the master bathroom presumptive testing was not done due to the volumne of blood and with her training she knew it was blood.
--At the lab, Perry did a swab of the wall from the master bedroom. The screening was negative for blood. Is blood the only biological substance that can be tested for DNA? Answer is "no". Saliva, sperm, and skin cells would have DNA. Just because there isn't blood doesn't mean there isn't DNA.
--Perry can offer opionions on the type of pattern and what may have caused it. There are passive patterns and active patterns. Passive are drops acting by gravity alone. Active is projected blood, ejection of a volume of blood due to a force or a pressure. Example is a strike or a weapon is used. Blood in one's airways can cause an active projection. Sizes of the stains can determine the force and can then be categorized as low, medium, and high velocity. Spatter is action to a liquid blood source. Eg. If there is blood on a substance and something touches it, it is called a transfer stain. There are wipe stains and swipe stains.
--Water can affect the crime scene. Can dilute the blood and affect the patterns.
#83 Photo of body of TA. There is a blood stain on the wall? Appears to be flowing down the wall, gravity has acted upon it.
#88 & #89, Toilet, on the door frame there is a blood stain. On the toilet and the bottom of the frame is a stain showing impact to a blood source. The droplets are small and they do not travel very far. The blood source would have been in close proximity. These stains are about 12" down meaning the blood source was low, blood impacted the wall at a 90 degree angle.
#90, With respect to the toilet, same type of stains, rounded drops, probably hit at a 90 degree angle. Same small type of stains at the same height. Blood source was close. The drops are in different areas but could be from more than one event or they could be from one strike to the blood source.
Floormat, Tests were not done at the scene. Tests were done at the lab. Presumptive test for blood, positive for blood all over the bottom of the mat. Blood is throughout the bottom consistent with the mat being moved over blood or blood mixed with water going under the mat.
(interrupted by another phone call and missed some testimony)
--photo of large accumulation of blood. The source of the blood was probably in one position and the blood passively flowed out by gravity. Water activity may have played a role. For a large blood stain to appear the blood source
#91 Photo of eastern wall of the exterior of the toilet wall, on the wall there were downward stains. Impact to a blood source would have caused this type of stain. More than one strike or the same strike? Blood did not go through the wall so it was caused by more than one strike. No indication how many strikes.
State calls Lisa Perry, works for the city of Mesa, PD and she is a forensic scientist and she works in the Biology section (DNA, bodily fluids, etc. collects samples and sends them on for analysis).
--Perry attended to the TA crime scene June 10, 2008 and was there for two days.
--She was looking at blood stains to see if she could determine how they got there.
--Focus was the master bathroom. Focus was the bathroom because that was where the blood was.
--Perry takes samples and prepares them for DNA analysis. Example, swabbing or cutting material and sending them to the lab. Perry can conduct a presumptive test for blood at the scene. Swabs were taken by others who were at the scene. Perry did a few of the prelimary color tests.
--Downstairs restroom, sink in the downstairs restroom, tile at the base of the stairs, washing machine.
--One stain on the top of the washing machine that was positive. Perry swabbed the machine but somebody else put the numbers on the machine.
--In the downstairs bathroom she did a swab in the sink that was positive.
--swab of the downstairs cabinet was negative.
--In the master bathroom presumptive testing was not done due to the volumne of blood and with her training she knew it was blood.
--At the lab, Perry did a swab of the wall from the master bedroom. The screening was negative for blood. Is blood the only biological substance that can be tested for DNA? Answer is "no". Saliva, sperm, and skin cells would have DNA. Just because there isn't blood doesn't mean there isn't DNA.
--Perry can offer opionions on the type of pattern and what may have caused it. There are passive patterns and active patterns. Passive are drops acting by gravity alone. Active is projected blood, ejection of a volume of blood due to a force or a pressure. Example is a strike or a weapon is used. Blood in one's airways can cause an active projection. Sizes of the stains can determine the force and can then be categorized as low, medium, and high velocity. Spatter is action to a liquid blood source. Eg. If there is blood on a substance and something touches it, it is called a transfer stain. There are wipe stains and swipe stains.
--Water can affect the crime scene. Can dilute the blood and affect the patterns.
#83 Photo of body of TA. There is a blood stain on the wall? Appears to be flowing down the wall, gravity has acted upon it.
#88 & #89, Toilet, on the door frame there is a blood stain. On the toilet and the bottom of the frame is a stain showing impact to a blood source. The droplets are small and they do not travel very far. The blood source would have been in close proximity. These stains are about 12" down meaning the blood source was low, blood impacted the wall at a 90 degree angle.
#90, With respect to the toilet, same type of stains, rounded drops, probably hit at a 90 degree angle. Same small type of stains at the same height. Blood source was close. The drops are in different areas but could be from more than one event or they could be from one strike to the blood source.
Floormat, Tests were not done at the scene. Tests were done at the lab. Presumptive test for blood, positive for blood all over the bottom of the mat. Blood is throughout the bottom consistent with the mat being moved over blood or blood mixed with water going under the mat.
(interrupted by another phone call and missed some testimony)
--photo of large accumulation of blood. The source of the blood was probably in one position and the blood passively flowed out by gravity. Water activity may have played a role. For a large blood stain to appear the blood source
#91 Photo of eastern wall of the exterior of the toilet wall, on the wall there were downward stains. Impact to a blood source would have caused this type of stain. More than one strike or the same strike? Blood did not go through the wall so it was caused by more than one strike. No indication how many strikes.
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did anyone else see her do a double take on teh picture at the end.... daaaamn
she did a double look and stop and started THEN started "crying"
dare I say she might just be better than Casey in her acting!
did anyone else see her do a double take on teh picture at the end.... daaaamn
she did a double look and stop and started THEN started "crying"
dare I say she might just be better than Casey in her acting!
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They have to prove that it wasn't self defense.
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jury is out but there is a sidebar now
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There was a pic shown, on a monitor in the lower right of the screen, during opening statements. It was, indeed, her nether-regions, very, um... close up. The pic was up for maybe ten seconds or so. I've read on other forums that others caught it, too.
norest4thewicked
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I think this was at the time she slit his throat as well.
From Twitter on azcentral, the "reporter" said today, "Note to those who think (she) has been 'made over' of this trial: You think too much."
"She looks the same" (in the 4 years he's been covering her hearings) "except 2 things - she has new glasses. The trips to the optometrist are documented in the court records. The options are limited by jail rules."
"At pre-trial hearings she wore jail stripes. Her clothing options are also limited by the stun belt and leg restraints she must wear."
"She looks the same" (in the 4 years he's been covering her hearings) "except 2 things - she has new glasses. The trips to the optometrist are documented in the court records. The options are limited by jail rules."
"At pre-trial hearings she wore jail stripes. Her clothing options are also limited by the stun belt and leg restraints she must wear."
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It was during OS by the Prosection.
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thanks rmt.. so she has to wear a stun belt in court?
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