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  • #861
Oh, my bad. I was going by comments from other sleuthers here who mentioned there were photos of Jodi dragging Travis. I thought some of the folks here had seen them.



ETA: Just saw manzana's post ^^^ that explains the photos in question are open to interpretation.

I haven't seen them myself, but there has been many mentions of the photo of her dragging his body, and I'm sure it was mentioned in opening statements. This from ABC News today: http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-trial-jurors-shown-photos-victims-dead/story?id=18119972&page=2.
I'll post more info if I can find anything more substantive.
 
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  • #863
Also wish DA had gone for LWOP, always makes me nervous when they seek DP against a female :( Not opposed to it at all but sometimes think it backfires plus knowing someone has to rot for years locked up till death seems like much more punishment than an easy death.) Course if I ran a jail they would only get enough food to survive and work would be mandatory :)
 
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  • #865
I stand corrected. Unless there is more to it. I guess I just assume the guy is always the one who's sex drive is the highest. JMO

That''ll definitely be a good fairytale. JMO

I get you, but sometimes nutty women use their sexuality to get something or someone they want, so they act even more sexual than one could think any man would act. It's part of their snow job, their ensarement or obsession.

bbm - I agree and it's infuriating to me. The misuse of the "blame the victim" defense really bothers me and I can only hope it backfires in as many cases as possible.

The brutality of the crime and everything she's said and done since show the depths of her depravity. I think she views this trial as a continuance of her power over Travis, her getting the last laugh- hence her mentality "no jury's ever going to convict me".

The deliberation should be short and sweet, for Travis.

Couple things...

One about the order in which the injuries were sustained-the prosecutor explained this in his opening argument. Travis was stabbed first, in the heart, which would have been a fatal wound but not immediately fatal. This happened 44 seconds after that final picture was taken of him in the shower. She continued stabbing him, and at one point they ended up by the sink-he bent over the sink, probably to steady himself, and while he was doing that Jody was stabbing him repeatedly in the back. At some point he collapsed onto the floor, just outside the doorway leading from the bathroom to the bedroom, and Jody straddled him and slit his throat ear to ear, nearly decapitating him. This would be a rapidly fatal wound and he would have quickly lost consciousness. Jody then dragged him (accidentally snapping a picture while doing so, I'm not sure how that happened) back to the shower stall, and shot him at point blank range in his temple. This would have also been a rapid, if not immediately fatal wound, and he may have already been dead at that point.

Another thing I wanted to bring up, because I haven't seen it discussed much-whatever flaws Travis may have had as a human being, he had a terrible start in life. Both of his parents were meth addicts, he lived in poverty and squalor and was abused by both of them. He ended up moving in with his grandmother, and that is when he was introduced to the Mormon faith...it played a huge role in his life for that reason, IMO. Many abused children turn to the church to fill the empty parts of their lives where loving parents should be. I think he had a lot of conflict about his relationship with Jodi. I think that she was probably the sexual aggressor initially (she was certainly more experienced than him, it appears he was a virgin when he met her) His emails, while verbally abusive, also show someone who is hurt and angry, who feels like HE has been used and manipulated (treated like "a dildo with a heartbeat" by Jodi-his words, not mine) and that he has been violated by her. He shows a lot of anger. He does not show the typical behavior of a controlling, abusive partner though. I think people are just writing him off as some kind of dirtbag, and that's unfortunate IMO. He was neither choir boy angel or abusive monster but a complex human being, a young man just starting out his life, before it was snuffed out by Jodi. I think he deserves a lot more respect than what he is getting.

I love both of you guys so much. Thank you for these posts!!!

What was Travis seeing at that moment? That pic captures him caught unaware while he's taking a shower, IMO, and yet it seems to catch the exact moment Jodi got his attention big time. I haven't decided what to call that look on his face.

To me, the photo simply captures a subconscious sense that something may be very wrong with the girl. I think he began to sense the danger, but only subconsciously or not fully formed yet.

I 100% doubt that the photo shows him seeing her with a gun or indicates that he knew he was about to die. I;m not seeing that at all.

Wow, thanks so much for that link. This is a particularly chilling passage from his blog considering this particular relationship with JA. Was he thinking of her when he wrote it?

"I was a different type of homeless, one with just as few legitimate excuses as the other type bumming for change at a freeway off ramp. Around then I realized it was time to adjust my priorities and date with marriage in mind. Not to ask some one on a date because I planned on marrying them, but to date someone to look for the possibility of marriage with them. This type of dating to me is like a very long job interview and can be exponentially more mentally taxing. Desperately trying to find out if my date has an axe murderer penned up inside of her and knowing she is wondering the same thing about me. That’s usually when I think myself into a panic and start acting weird in consequence to trying so hard to act normal."

Sounds like he was doing some real soul searching prior to his murder.

That is such a coincidental or maybe not so coincidental entry. Wow. Poor guy.

Here's something written by one of his best friends...very interesting and insightful.If this is not ok to post please let me know-it was on his sisters Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/tanisha.sorenson/posts/479297458778106:

Excellent post. I hope everyone reads it. It explains a lot.

BBM

I'm so glad there were pictures of Jodi dragging Travis [I'm taking the word of other WS'ers on those pictures though - I'm too chicken to look at them myself] because it shows how a much smaller assailant is capable of carrying out a murder against a much larger victim. So often in cases where there's a small female defendant, the defense argues that she couldn't carry out such a murder because she was too "little." Here's proof that it is quite possible when the female defendant is filled with rage. JMO, MOO

IIRC it is a prosecution theory, due to the angles and location and timing of the photos, that one of the photos was taken while she was dragging Travis to the shower: None of the murder photos actually show this woman in the photo itself. Shje can only be seen in the sex photos taken earlier, in the bedroom.

I have been waiting for this like some of you, for years. Years ago the photos of the house were up on an account online. I studied them for ages. And I saw the bloody shower photo on another board. It did not contain as much blood as I expected for someone to die in the shower. And HLN on TV keeps reporting that he was shot last, in the shower.

The picture is getting a lot clearer in my head as to how this may have played out. :(

She took the camera into the bathroom as a distraction from the knife she brought in as well. She takes a photo/s of him in the shower, one of which we have seen. He got out of the shower and turned his back to head into the bedroom. This is when I think she started to stab him in the back. He turned and grabs the sink, spitting blood, holding himself up as he loses feeling in his legs. He must have been in shock, not knowing what was happening at that point. So "I can't move my legs" came out, like he was trying to process what was going on. He falls onto the floor, smearing the blood on the sink. He soon realizes what is going on and tries to flee out of the bathroom, possibly crawling.. she sees the stabbing in the back is not working. He gets as far as the hallway before she catches up to him, that is when the camera is finally dropped. She rolls him and stabs him in the heart. Her bloody hand print is found on the wall at the perfect height as if she used it as leverage to turn him over and there was a large portion of carpet missing there too. She then put him on a sheet or towel (the ones found in the laundry) and drug him back into the bathroom, camera getting tangle or possibly taking more photos herself. At some point she slashes his throat but I believe (I HOPE) by then he was already gone. She had no fight getting him into the shower and finishing him off in her demented mind with the gun. Total overkill, none of it makes any sense and it causes a lot of confusion. That's Jodi though, she doesn't make any sense and does things in a back arse fashion. The cup was probably used it to gather water and wash him quicker and rinse off her arms as the blood was probably pretty high.

MOO of course. I really want to know how it played out, they are the professionals. I guess I am just hoping that they too will find he was not with it when the shot was fired or the slashing of his throat happened.

OH... and sorry but on other boards I've been reading :banghead: I feel like he is getting a bad rap becuase of a few lines read from the tens of thousands of e-mails that existed between these two. People going way overboard about some terms he used.

To me he was just a guy. He was young, he liked women, he liked having sex, traveling, meeting people, having fun. I think he probably struggled with his religion and the things available to him. I also think at one time he cared for her a lot. I think it just became too heavy and too and he realized she is not what he wants for forever. That doesn't mean he isn't going to have sex with her. Again... he is a young single guy with a woman falling all over him. A woman he did have some feelings for and one who he still had a sexual relationship with.

Travis DID NOT deserve the ending to his life that he got. If she felt it was hurtful to her to be sleeping with him while he wants to back off from a relationship it's on her to decide to stop sleeping with him then. It's not his responsibility to be her psychologist and figure out what's best for her. He was probably struggling to do that for himself as to his relationships and his religion.

That trip to Cancun probably turned into a "clearing of the mind" trip with someone who didn't put him under so much pressure. Someone more normal.

If you were to jump into the lives of other guys his age. Especially those living very comfortably, successful and social you would probably a lot of the same thing.

Good post and interesting theory.
 
  • #866
To me it is like he is looking at his end and knows it is near. That is what his eyes say to me.


I wonder if she was saying something to him like...this is your last picture alive and grabbed the gun and made him come out of the shower.

I think when he wouldn't cancel his trip with another girl the next day, she snapped.

And I think I heard on Dr Drew last night that she would sneak into his house through the doogie door. She somehow got into his email account and I bet she type all that stuff that she said he wrote to her..She planned this attack for a long time.
 
  • #867
IMO, she may have been taunting him as she took the shower photos.


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  • #868
I remember reading Travis' blogspot a couple of years ago but it's been a while... Reading it now again reinforces a few things. He was a solid, insightful, quality human being. He had a good heart and a good soul. If he was guilty of anything, it was of being human. He may have had struggles and flaws, but he had depth and compassion and the ability to reflect on himself and the world around him. I can only imagine how horrible the defense case is going to be and I can't imagine how Travis' family and friends are going to keep calm during that trash but they've waited long enough and it's time to get this over with.

I think it's more than clear that the best character witness for Travis is Travis himself, through his writings there in his blog. I hope the prosecution highlights to the jury that he was a real man with a real life with good things going for him and a promising future -- he was NOT destined to be JA's VICTIM.

From his first blog entry,
On our death bed, none of us will wish they watched more TV or read more tabloids or liste to foul music, and they certainly wont wish that they blamed there lives on someone else a liitle more.
It is my prayer that we live all the days of our lives. That we will be brave enough to unplug from the matrix and let the greatness within us manifest to all the world so that you will provide courage for others to do the same. Then can you live an abundant fulfilling life with out regret.
 
  • #869
The prosecutor and news agencies are saying that there is a photo showing Jodi dragging TA's dead body to the shower


Yes thats what I heard on JVM Wednesday night...Transcript

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: And you do see the killer in this one. You see this individual here. You see her foot. Not only do you see her foot, but you see Mr. Alexander`s head. You see his arm; you see him bleeding profusely. You see the area of the sink down here. And you know what else you see? You see her manipulating him, trying to drag him or move him.

MARTINEZ: As he sat there, she took the knife and began to stab him when he was in that defenseless sitting position and began -- stuck the knife in his chest. He struggled. The slitting ear to ear took place. And by the time she was dragging him down, pulling him down towards this area right here, he didn`t need that shot to the head. But, she had a gun somewhere. She put that bullet right in his temple.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/02/ijvm.01.html
 
  • #870
I didn't watch NG (stopped watching her after the tot-mom fiasco). During trial those photos were not shown on live feed.

I still watch Nancy but she does drive me nuts sometimes.Enjoyed having Rita Crosby fill in tonite,over the years I've read lots of negative comments about Rita,but I actually enjoy her.
 
  • #871
Hoping the DA has a way to bring his blog into court and hope the jury takes it as is without twisted bs from the defense attorney.
 
  • #872
Yes thats what I heard on JVM Wednesday night...Transcript

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: And you do see the killer in this one. You see this individual here. You see her foot. Not only do you see her foot, but you see Mr. Alexander`s head. You see his arm; you see him bleeding profusely. You see the area of the sink down here. And you know what else you see? You see her manipulating him, trying to drag him or move him.

MARTINEZ: As he sat there, she took the knife and began to stab him when he was in that defenseless sitting position and began -- stuck the knife in his chest. He struggled. The slitting ear to ear took place. And by the time she was dragging him down, pulling him down towards this area right here, he didn`t need that shot to the head. But, she had a gun somewhere. She put that bullet right in his temple.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/02/ijvm.01.html

Oh, I was wrong!!! Apparently part of her can be seen in one of the photos!!
 
  • #873
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-trial-timeline-events-arizona-murder-case/t/story?id=18123295

Article talks about the photos of Jodi dragging his body across the ground.

From the article:

Hall testified that Alexander told her that he had had his tires slashed several times, had been sent threatening emails, followed on dates with other women, had his bank accounts broken into, and that Arias snuck through his doggy door and slept on his couch at night. None of these alleged incidents were reported to the police.

I can't believe how psycho she is! That is nuts. IMO
 
  • #874
As for why he may have been sitting in the shower, maybe she asked him to sit in the shower to take a picture.
 
  • #875
I would really like to read those E-mails. talk about interesting.
 
  • #876
Think maybe JA left the home after they fooled around, and snuck back in while he was in the shower?

That's exactly what I think happened. They argued and she left but came back. Or she never actually left but he thought she had. Hence when she shows up at the shower, he is surprised. He could have had some injuries already from the argument earlier so what appears to be a surprised look might actually be a look of anguish, or fear if she was holding the camera in one hand, weapon in the other. JMO.
 
  • #877
Yes thats what I heard on JVM Wednesday night...Transcript

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: And you do see the killer in this one. You see this individual here. You see her foot. Not only do you see her foot, but you see Mr. Alexander`s head. You see his arm; you see him bleeding profusely. You see the area of the sink down here. And you know what else you see? You see her manipulating him, trying to drag him or move him.

MARTINEZ: As he sat there, she took the knife and began to stab him when he was in that defenseless sitting position and began -- stuck the knife in his chest. He struggled. The slitting ear to ear took place. And by the time she was dragging him down, pulling him down towards this area right here, he didn`t need that shot to the head. But, she had a gun somewhere. She put that bullet right in his temple.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/02/ijvm.01.html

Thank you! THIS is what I wanted to see and couldn't find it. However, as someone said above, photos can often be interpreted in different ways. I've had people tell me before exactly what a photo shows and I looked forever and couldn't see it. And, I've seen something in a photo and was sure of what I was seeing, but someone else could not see it. I truly HOPE that this photo is a very clear photo so that there is absolutely no question.
 
  • #878
A couple of times now I've read the phrase "I can move my legs" or something like that - referring to a statement by Travis. How do we know this? Did Jodi say he said this?
 
  • #879
Beyond how horrifyingly scary and evil she is through-out the relationship with Travis Alexander. I am just blown away by the fact that she held onto that camera and continued to take pictures during this drawn out, disgusting and truly over kill attack! And yes, I think she purposely held on to it for the very reason that he would know she was taking pictures of him while she killed him, no doubt in my mind!

Looking at TA's hmm my space? I think, I got the impression that he is a bit arrogant but not in a bad way. I wondered if some of what he said on there was really true. Between ms and his blog..wow, what a positive, uplifting, good person he seemed to be. He seemed to have a lot to offer to his friends, family, the world and eventually a lucky woman and future children. Such a true loss!

ETA
http://www.myspace.com/tvalexander

If I look familiar you are probably an avid reader of GQ or Mens Health.

Guitar (or what I like to call the strings of Love) and understanding more than just peoples voices, but understanding peoples hearts. At least that's what Maya Angelou said at the awards ceremony when I was nominated for my first Nobel Peace prize.

Who I'd like to meet:
HMMM well Jesus for starters. People who like to give high 5's incessantly. I'd also like to meet Osama Bin Laden in all out no holds barr, winner take all cage fight. Christopher Walken would be fun to eat Lunch with. Really most people, well except for 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. They are a dime a dozen these days especially on myspace. So if your employment involves a webcam, I don't see it going anywhere. Outside of that I'm good to go.

Are the first two true? I don't know. His hang-up on 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 tells me that he is one- a virgin, but we knew/were told that and two- that I do not in any way think he initiated any nasty sex talk with her such as the emails, texts and phone. I think it all started with her because she seduced him and she knew that is what men like to hear and she wanted to be everything to him. (not all just saying)
 
  • #880
A couple of times now I've read the phrase "I can move my legs" or something like that - referring to a statement by Travis. How do we know this? Did Jodi say he said this?

I haven't looked anywhere for it. I think a while back I heard she said that or I read she said that...something like, my legs, I can't move my legs.
 
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