Jodi Arias Trial Watchers Thread #1

[HarvestMoon]

That is if you believe that. I don't whatsoever. I think she acted as the stalker she is and hacked his accounts. She tells that story to make it look like she wasn't stalking him, that it was mutual. I highly doubt it.
In the recorded convo with the detective, she first states he gave her passwords to his Facebook and Myspace, then only until after the detective says he will obtain all of those records and he will know what went on electronically that she states the passwords he gave her were to his Myspace and Gmail. Anyone else catch that change?

He didn't give her passwords, bet on it. Who does that?

 

[pip]

He didn't give her passwords, bet on it. Who does that?

The hallmark of a woman jealous and scorned.. monitoring his phone, emails and social media accounts. And he got mad and they fought about it. They break up, she moves back to Cali and...wait...here it comes... he gives her his passwords. Uh huh. Fell off the turnip truck yesterday. Yup.

 

[pip]

Here's some of what bugs me: Believe me, a guy, and more than likely Travis knew, that this woman wanted more. Aias was trying thru sex to get him to keep her in his life. Yet, he continued to play with her. That's bad. Not blaming him for his death, but not buying that he was lily white, either. Don't toy with people who appear to be off balance.

Now before anyone chooses to go off on me, it's sad that bad choices lead to this. He's dead, his family lost him, she's going to jail, and her family must be torn apart too.

They were both making bad choices and many family/friends on both sides are torn over the losses.. but the bottom line is..one is a cold blooded murderer, and one is dead.

 

[bobloblaw]

Here's some of what bugs me: Believe me, a guy, and more than likely Travis knew, that this woman wanted more. Aias was trying thru sex to get him to keep her in his life.

He didn't drive 1000 miles in a rented car with upside dowm license plates and a stolen gun, break into her house, crawl into bed naked with her, then savagely stab, slash and shoot her to death.

He had concensual sex with her, broke it off and tried to move on, there are millions of people doing this every day, there is no way he did anything wrong whatsoever.

 

[Linda7NJ]

He didn't give her passwords, bet on it. Who does that?

Lots if immature high school teens in dating relationships, lots of regular couples....it's not uncommon

 

[pip]

Lots if immature high school teens in dating relationships, lots of regular couples....it's not uncommon

But I don't think in this case it was even remotely likely. Just not biting on that one, Jodi. I think he changed his passwords when he discovered she had hacked him..and that's how she found out about his friend going to Cancun with him. The moment all hell started breaking loose. I don't believe there was any mutual agreement to change their passwords as she states. I feel a strong hunch about her stories being flat out lies.

 

[Linda7NJ]

But I don't think in this case it was even remotely likely. Just not biting on that one, Jodi. I think he changed his passwords when he discovered she had hacked him..and that's how she found out about his friend going to Cancun with him. The moment all hell started breaking loose. I don't believe there was any mutual agreement to change their passwords as she states. I feel a strong hunch about her stories being flat out lies.

Ahh, I didn't know all of that, thank you!

I agree with you, if it information came from Jodi, it's suspect and can't be considered as true.

I'm just getting warmed up following this case, I'll be better....promise

 

[pip]

Ahh, I didn't know all of that, thank you!

I agree with you, if it information came from Jodi, it's suspect and can't be considered as true.

I'm just getting warmed up following this case, I'll be better....promise

To clarify, it's not a fact that that's how she found out about his Cancun trip and Mimi going, I just think this is how she found out, which set her crazy wheels in motion.

 

[mrsu]

I disagree, there is no gun evidence that I know of, at least none that rises to beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Jodie is suspected of stealing her grandparents gun, not proven. So far no gun exists? I do not see self defense but a crime of passion yes. Who spends the night, then wakes up and has sex all afternoon and is like darn, I almost forgot I had plans to murder him so I will now carry it out after twelve hours.

A psycho?!

 

[MaryAnn]

He didn't drive 1000 miles in a rented car with upside dowm license plates and a stolen gun, break into her house, crawl into bed naked with her, then savagely stab, slash and shoot her to death.

He had concensual sex with her, broke it off and tried to move on, there are millions of people doing this every day, there is no way he did anything wrong whatsoever.

BBM
Didn't she think that would attrack more attention with the upside down plates? How stupid! Although she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed that's for sure.

 

[popsicle]

http://pysih.com/2009/06/21/jodi-ann-arias/

Sky says, “She was glued to him. If he moved [or] shifted, she shifted.” Chris describes Jodi’s expressions of affection in front of them as “a bit inappropriate.”
“Like, sucking on his ear, kissing his neck…” adds Sky. “Travis was not as into her as she was into him, and so she would come to me with her concerns.”

But the more questions Jodi had about Travis, the more questions Sky Hughes began to have about Jodi.

“[Sky] said, ‘I’m really uncomfortable with Jodi,” says Chris. “Something’s not right.

During one of their weekends together, after Jodi Arias had gone to bed, the Chris and Sky Hughes took Travis Alexander aside to express their concerns.

“We were just cautioning him and that went on for, what, an hour-and-a-half, two hours,” says Chris. “And then I just said, I’m like, ‘She’s out there listening,’” adds Sky. “She’s out there.”

At that moment, the couple says there was knock on the door. It was Jodi and she was not very happy about what she had apparently overheard.

“What really scared us was the look in her eye,” says Chris. “I mean, it shook me at my core. It was just this scary — almost an evil look in her eye that I’ve never seen before, or since.”

Chris says that one look was all he and Sky needed to lay down the law. “We made it very clear to Travis that if you continue with this relationship, you’re gonna have to do it at a distance from us,” he says. “Because she ain’t coming around our kids, she’s not coming around our house. This is not gonna be your meeting ground anymore.”

 

[bobloblaw]

BBM
Didn't she think that would attrack more attention with the upside down plates? How stupid! Although she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed that's for sure.

Ya, no kidding!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

So she made People. I read that someone is already gathering notes to write a book.

I don't think her making People is a big deal. They always report on true crime. This is their second article on the case; the other one was from 1/3/2013. I hope she never makes the cover; I'm pretty confident that she won't though. Maybe if she gets acquitted. It doesn't surprise me that someone is writing a book on the case. There were 6 books published after the Anthony trial (and of course a few BS books that I won't even count) but I don't expect anywhere near as many books in this case, unless it blows up.

 

[popsicle]

Because her defense relies on the assertion that he abused her. Her defense rests on a premise that she is a person who has "experienced abuse at the hands of her attacker." The defense brought it up, and will try to bring in more evidence to support this notion as the case proceeds.

We haven't seen much evidence yet, and the trial is expected to last through April. There's a long way to go with the majority of information yet to be presented. Who knows at this point what either side has up its sleeve?

Everyone knows she killed him. What we don't know are the details of what the defense intends to present to the court to persuade that this was "self defense".

I think the biggest reason I do not see her as a victim, everything else unknown at this point, is because she in fact moved out of his place and moved back to California. She is the one who continued to return to him.

I have been abused. When I left I was stalked, raped at knife point by him and luckily not killed. Then one evening when returning from work He grabbed me when I reached the front door.(restraining orders mean nothing) He dragged me to the side of the house and straddled me with my hands pinned to my sides and began strangling me while banging my head against the ground. He kept yelling at me, tell me you love me, tell me you love me. In my head I kept saying, don't say it, don't say it. Then everything went black.

When I woke up my neighbor was there asking if I was ok and calling 911. He apparently had pulled up in his driveway and his headlights illuminated on us and he saw what was going on. My ex got 12 months in the state pen-suspended-WTF? I--moved out of state. just saying.

 

[popsicle]

They were both making bad choices and many family/friends on both sides are torn over the losses.. but the bottom line is..one is a cold blooded murderer, and one is dead.

What bad choices did Travis make? He met Jodi and dated her, realized she wasn't the one and told her straight up. He told her he was dating others, was up front with her. It doesn't appear at this point that he lied to her or lead her on in any way. I don't think you can say he made a bad choice in dating her to begin with because you can't look at someone and know they are a sociopath that I am aware of. jmo

 

[popsicle]

So she made People. I read that someone is already gathering notes to write a book.

Maybe Ann Rule. She is listed as someone Jodi wants to meet! :floorlaugh:

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't blame someone for writing a book; clearly there is enough interest to sell books about the case.

How about rather than painting one person as a demon and the other as a choir boy, we see them as two FLAWED human beings, one with a clear personality disorder (Arias) and the other presenting 2 different personas and they were in what I think anyone would consider a dysfunctional relationship, at best. The one with the personality disorder continued to devolve into increasingly bizarre, obsessive and fixated behavior and she wasn't stopped. I don't think anyone knew the full extent of what was going on between TA and JA until after the murder.

While Travis is not at fault, neither did he take measures that others might have: he didn't go to the police about his stalker, he didn't obtain a restraining order, he didn't press charges when tires got slashed. For whatever reason, T.A. did not consider Arias' obsession and escalating maneuvers as more than an annoyance. He obviously didn't see it as criminal behavior, or if he did, he didn't pursue it with the authorities.

Arias was a ticking time bomb in many ways. If not T.A. she probably would have been in a different dysfunctional relationship, stalking some other guy. Perhaps some other guy would have legally pursued options to stop her behavior. One can only speculate.

I personally am not worried she will be acquitted. I do not see that happening. There is no question she committed this killing. There is no question she could have escaped if T.A. was abusing her and she was in fear for her life. So that excuse will not fly. She'll be in prison for most, if not all, of the rest of her life.

 

[HarvestMoon]

What bad choices did Travis make? He met Jodi and dated her, realized she wasn't the one and told her straight up. He told her he was dating others, was up front with her. It doesn't appear at this point that he lied to her or lead her on in any way. I don't think you can say he made a bad choice in dating her to begin with because you can't look at someone and know they are a sociopath that I am aware of. jmo

It's been said she wanted marriage, apparently he wanted sex while dating others (probably more marriage qualified for him) His friends have said she was off balance. That's using someone, and pushing the buttons of somebody off. Not a good choice.

 

[Tiger09]

Personally, I think people question Travis Alexander too much because he's a guy and the perp- Arias- is an attractive woman. It's a subconscious thing. People may not even realize they're doing it. I think the guy came from a very troubled life- drug addicted parents, etc, raised by his grandparents, and possibly had abandonment issues and/or issues with turning people down and possible issues with relationships. Add that to the fact that he was Mormon and had just turned thirty. That's an age that a lot of men and women question themselves and whether or not they want to settle down. When he met her, he was in his mid or late twenties- she killed him when he was only thirty. Maybe he wanted to have fun. Men and women do that. It doesn't mean they should get killed over it- nor are they expecting to get killed over it. How many women meet a cute guy who ends up being a stalker and/or rapist? Tons. Jodi Arias drove tons of miles to Travis Alexander's house with the intent to have sex with him and then brutally murder him. If the genders were reversed, there would be no bashing of the victim and no self-defense bs at all. This is a disgusting and gruesome crime. There is so much disgusting evidence that she did this. Too many guilty and so-called beautiful women have gotten away with their crimes- I hope another one doesn't walk. How many innocent people have to die for these so-called beautiful women?

 

[popsicle]

He didn't give her passwords, bet on it. Who does that?

The hallmark of a woman jealous and scorned.. monitoring his phone, emails and social media accounts. And he got mad and they fought about it. They break up, she moves back to Cali and...wait...here it comes... he gives her his passwords. Uh huh. Fell off the turnip truck yesterday. Yup.

Umm actually, several years ago I met a man in the Army and we became involved in a relationship. He was stationed in CO at the time. We exchanged passwords, his idea, I believe to increase the trust in the relationship. I only used it once when he was in Iraq and I hadn't heard from him in awhile and was worried. (there was a info blackout) Now we talk thru facebook and we don't have each others passwords there. I would define us as FWB.