Jodi Arias Trial Watchers Thread #1

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Too many guilty and so-called beautiful women have gotten away with their crimes- I hope another one doesn't walk. How many innocent people have to die for these so-called beautiful women?

Besides Casey Anthony (who is someone some people find beautiful but many more do not), who else has "gotten away" with their crimes? I'm trying to recall and I cannot. I assume by "getting away" you mean they served no jail time.
 
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What timing! Today I watched the Bio channel and "The making of Fatal Attraction" was on. This case IMO is a Fatal Attraction at its worse. An obsessed, pychotic woman who refuses to be rejected and ends up trying to kill the object of her obsession.
 
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I disagree, there is no gun evidence that I know of, at least none that rises to beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Jodie is suspected of stealing her grandparents gun, not proven. So far no gun exists? I do not see self defense but a crime of passion yes. Who spends the night, then wakes up and has sex all afternoon and is like darn, I almost forgot I had plans to murder him so I will now carry it out after twelve hours.

It is my understanding that *coincidentally* the gun stolen from her grandparents' house is the same caliber as the one used to shoot TA. As TA didn't own such a weapon, wouldn't the killer have had to bring it into his condo? Why would anyone (except LE) need to bring a gun with them unless it was to do bodily harm?

:waitasec:

MOO
 
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I'm curious as to how the defense is going to show or attempt to show that Jodi was abused by Travis. I do not interpret calling her names as abuse. I can understand how if you tried several times to cut her loose and she was as determined as a booger to just stick there and not be thumped, and then she slashes your tires, harrasses your new girlfriend, and other things, I would see treating her badly in order to make her mad enough to leave you alone. I think they are going to have to go with the "Jose Baez" method of lying like hell in the summation and discuss abuse as if it has been proven and just take their chances with the jury. Who knows? It worked for Jose Baez. :furious:
 
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Besides Casey Anthony (who is someone some people find beautiful but many more do not), who else has "gotten away" with their crimes? I'm trying to recall and I cannot. I assume by "getting away" you mean they served no jail time.

Well, not for murder but she did molest a minor, Debra Lafave
 
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I think the biggest reason I do not see her as a victim, everything else unknown at this point, is because she in fact moved out of his place and moved back to California. She is the one who continued to return to him.
I have been abused. When I left I was stalked, raped at knife point by him and luckily not killed. Then one evening when returning from work He grabbed me when I reached the front door.(restraining orders mean nothing) He dragged me to the side of the house and straddled me with my hands pinned to my sides and began strangling me while banging my head against the ground. He kept yelling at me, tell me you love me, tell me you love me. In my head I kept saying, don't say it, don't say it. Then everything went black.

When I woke up my neighbor was there asking if I was ok and calling 911. He apparently had pulled up in his driveway and his headlights illuminated on us and he saw what was going on. My ex got 12 months in the state pen-suspended-WTF? I--moved out of state. just saying.

BBM: I agree that she was not in a threat situation and was not abused unless she is calling the name calling abused. I, unfortunately, do know what abuse is. She was not living with him, she had moved out. She did not have to see him ever, if she did not want to see him. She is the one who traveled out of her way just to see him. She mostly stole the gun and took it with her on this last visit. He was suppose to leave the next morning to go on a Cancun vacation with another woman. I think she was intending to make him an offer he couldn't resist. After making him all satisfied and happy, she most likely asked him if he was still going on with is plans to leave the next day. He gave the wrong answer and then she proceeded to Plan B.
 
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Travis has said she stalked him. He said that to his friends, right? That's the source? While I think she did stalk him, I don't think TAs friends really knew his true self. He lied to them first and foremost about his relationship with JA (IMO). Something seems off. He was 30 at the time, IIRC, and being an unmarried man in Mormon society at that age is frowned upon, isn't it?

I think we will see a different story which is not just a simple one-sided pursuit by JA. I suspect he told his friends very little about what he was really doing, which was likely that he was very much engaged in an unhealthy two-way relationship with JA. I bet we will see that he called/texted her often, and saw her fairly frequently. I just think he kept it secret. He publicly broke up with her, but actually just changed the terms to: "I am not going to publically acknowledge your existence and you are now my 'paramour'-type person. You're illicit and no one can know." (I don't think he said those words exactly.) And they "broke up" in the eyes of his friends on that June 29th. Notice she recalled the exact date?

And for whatever reason, she agreed to these sick terms to be his "not good enough to be included in my public life" sex partner. Remember she told the detective that they spoke several times a week, usually between midnight and 2am and they might talk for 'hours'? He did not do that involuntarily! (Yes, she could be lying, but I bet not.). And I bet I know what they were "talking about" when he called her late at night. Maybe they did share info about their lives, or maybe he just talked about himself and his torment or his money or his success. Or maybe it was just phone sex when he got home from non-sexual dates with his respectable Mormon girl dates.

If this is how it was, then I bet this marginalization really did a number on JA's already compromised mental state and she was alternately happy ("he wants me so he must care about me") and rageful ("how dare he treat me like a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬!") with him. I mean, to be his frequent and intense sex partner, but he won't acknowledge her relationship with him (and she participates by covering for him!?!) is very degrading. And I bet her defense is 'suppressed rage and she snapped" or something like that, over having been emotionally abused. I do think she thought he would give in and take her to Mexico, and after the afternoon sex, when her status remained "you're still nothing but a 3-**** wonder to me," she attacked him in a rage. I'm not a lawyer, but it's all I can come up with as to what the defense strategy might be based on the little that has been presented so far.

Anyway, this is all speculation and we'll see what evidence the defense has. And of course it doesn't justify murder. But if this is their strategy, it might mitigate the DP. I am in no way implying he deserved what happened! No way, no how! She made a choice, they both did, to be in a dysfunctional relationship. And if in fact it was emotionally abusive, it's really too bad that she didn't have the capacity to walk away. As far as him saying, "I'm nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat...", he could have truly felt that way, but another way to perceive it is he could have been manipulating her by turning things around on her, to make her feel that everything is her fault.

This is my theory at the moment, based on MOO, and speculation only. My opinion is subject to change when we hear the evidence!
 
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Personally, I think people question Travis Alexander too much because he's a guy and the perp- Arias- is an attractive woman. It's a subconscious thing. People may not even realize they're doing it. I think the guy came from a very troubled life- drug addicted parents, etc, raised by his grandparents, and possibly had abandonment issues and/or issues with turning people down and possible issues with relationships. Add that to the fact that he was Mormon and had just turned thirty. That's an age that a lot of men and women question themselves and whether or not they want to settle down. When he met her, he was in his mid or late twenties- she killed him when he was only thirty. Maybe he wanted to have fun. Men and women do that. It doesn't mean they should get killed over it- nor are they expecting to get killed over it. How many women meet a cute guy who ends up being a stalker and/or rapist? Tons. Jodi Arias drove tons of miles to Travis Alexander's house with the intent to have sex with him and then brutally murder him. If the genders were reversed, there would be no bashing of the victim and no self-defense bs at all. This is a disgusting and gruesome crime. There is so much disgusting evidence that she did this. Too many guilty and so-called beautiful women have gotten away with their crimes- I hope another one doesn't walk. How many innocent people have to die for these so-called beautiful women?

Actually, I think women, at least, are likely to judge her more harshly if everyday life is any indicator - especially since she's promiscuous and full of herself, as well as an admitted liar to boot. If anyone is likely to be even slightly swayed by her appearance, imo, it's more likely to be a man. That said, I haven't seen too many people of either gender anywhere online or irl saying anything but she's guilty -- even if they also think she was "hot." I think she's okay looking, but no way that changes my opinion of her. Anyone who could do all the crazy chit she did and cap it with slicing someone's throat ear-to-ear becomes incredibly and irrevocably "unpretty" no matter what their outer appearance. And here, she's not even claiming she didn't do that.
 
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Intersting from another site:

MM says: January 3, 2013 at 7:11 am
Take a look at her permanently deformed hand, where he broke her finger in one of his many angry outbursts.
Q. Why wasn’t it set?
A. She didn’t go to the hospital that’s why. She was protecting him.
Q. Why didn’t she go to the hospital???
A. Because a report would be made that could lead back to him and he knew it.
Jodi is an artist. Her hands are a critical element in her life. Not only is she a photographer, she is also a painter.
I personally witnessed the purple finger shaped bruises on her neck. She originally claimed was from a seat belt. Later, after much debate, she admitted they were from him. She assured me that: “He is a good man” and “He didn’t mean it”.
In one of our many conversations, I asked her why she wouldn’t “Just leave him.”
She said: “I can’t leave him, you don’t understand, I’ve tried. He wont let me!” She refused to elaborate.
I was Jodi’s boyfriend for around two years and in that time, she wouldn’t so much as squish a bug. I caught her on many occasions, fishing bugs out of the tub, so they wouldn’t get washed down the drain. She had this crazy neurotic cat, that would flip out and attack her for no reason and she didn’t so much as swat it. Jodi is NOT a violent person!
When we ended our relationship, I was living and working at a distance. During that period, I began spending time with a colleague. One of my douche bag coworkers decided to “inform” her. There was lots of crying, many talks and a few letters. She was NEVER VIOLENT in any way. We remained friends and since then, she had a few other relationships ending with Travis. I personally know the man she was with before Travis. He and Jodi maintained a friendly relationship after they parted. He also had NO issues with violence. So why now? What changed?
Before Jodi was arrested we would talk on a regular basis. I am one of her longest lasting friends and former lovers. I could be a important character witness. At one point, I asked Jodi to leave me out of this situation, so as not draw attention to myself or my new family and since then, she has.
Her life is on the line. She could get the death penalty. Yet she’s made it a point not to involve me.
Why? Because I asked her not to….
That is the kind of person Jodi is!

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Unless this person can provide a solid link to that information I'm not buying into it. Many believe this is the same person who ran the caseyanthonyisinnocent.com website. I am very skeptical that this information is at all accurate.
 
  • #1,191
Intersting from another site:

MM says: January 3, 2013 at 7:11 am
Take a look at her permanently deformed hand, where he broke her finger in one of his many angry outbursts.
Q. Why wasn’t it set?
A. She didn’t go to the hospital that’s why. She was protecting him.
Q. Why didn’t she go to the hospital???
A. Because a report would be made that could lead back to him and he knew it.
Jodi is an artist. Her hands are a critical element in her life. Not only is she a photographer, she is also a painter.
I personally witnessed the purple finger shaped bruises on her neck. She originally claimed was from a seat belt. Later, after much debate, she admitted they were from him. She assured me that: “He is a good man” and “He didn’t mean it”.
In one of our many conversations, I asked her why she wouldn’t “Just leave him.”
She said: “I can’t leave him, you don’t understand, I’ve tried. He wont let me!” She refused to elaborate.
I was Jodi’s boyfriend for around two years and in that time, she wouldn’t so much as squish a bug. I caught her on many occasions, fishing bugs out of the tub, so they wouldn’t get washed down the drain. She had this crazy neurotic cat, that would flip out and attack her for no reason and she didn’t so much as swat it. Jodi is NOT a violent person!
When we ended our relationship, I was living and working at a distance. During that period, I began spending time with a colleague. One of my douche bag coworkers decided to “inform” her. There was lots of crying, many talks and a few letters. She was NEVER VIOLENT in any way. We remained friends and since then, she had a few other relationships ending with Travis. I personally know the man she was with before Travis. He and Jodi maintained a friendly relationship after they parted. He also had NO issues with violence. So why now? What changed?
Before Jodi was arrested we would talk on a regular basis. I am one of her longest lasting friends and former lovers. I could be a important character witness. At one point, I asked Jodi to leave me out of this situation, so as not draw attention to myself or my new family and since then, she has.
Her life is on the line. She could get the death penalty. Yet she’s made it a point not to involve me.
Why? Because I asked her not to….
That is the kind of person Jodi is!

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Not sure we can bring quotes in from other blogs. Might want to check with a mod.
 
  • #1,192
Well, not for murder but she did molest a minor, Debra Lafave

She lost her job/vocation, has to register as a sex offender, was on probation for several years, husband divorced her, her record is for life. Is that "getting away" with a crime? Is she a danger to society now?
 
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This is everything I have found on Jodi so far, which isn't much compared to Travis. Anyone else know anything?

I read somewhere yesterday, I read so many articles yesterday that my chances of finding it are nil but I am looking, that Jodi lived with her Grandparents when she moved back to California after moving out of Travis's place.

Birth date: July, 1980

Age at trial: 32

Birthplace: Yreka, California

Parents: Sandy & William Arias

Siblings: Angela & Carl Arias

Education: Dropped out of Yreka Union High School after the 11th grade and got her GED in jail. While in jail she taught herself Spanish and Sign Language.

Background: Jodi Arias, an aspiring photographer, grew up in Yreka, California. She practiced photography using a film camera at age 10. The high school dropout converted to the Mormon beliefs after meeting Travis Alexander in Las Vegas, Nevada.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/12/31/arias-jodi-nancy-grace-mysteries-investigation-day-1-profile
 
  • #1,194
He didn't give her passwords, bet on it. Who does that?

I am sure he did not but yet yes indeed he did exactly that. She was hired to clean his house, did he watch her every moment? probably not, most people let their browsers save their passwords (especially for non banking web sites), not a difficult feat to get access to all websites rather quickly.
 
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Seriously I think that many people on here are much more
comfortable with only listening to what the media tells them and not giving people a chance to defend themselves.

When I look at this relationship I see a man who said that he didn't
want anything to do with her when his friends showed concern but
emailed and talked to her on the phone behind their backs. A man who
not only failed to press charges but employed her in such a way that she
had constant access to his home and entered into a car sale with her.
These actions are not someone who doesn't want her around but uses her
for sex if she comes throwing herself at him. I see a man who did
not want to admit to his friends that he did not want to get rid of her.
They knew she was unstable but he tried to give her the benefit of the doubt.
He was possibly very attached to her because she was "supposedly" his first.


As far as her, I see a girl who thought she was set with a handsome man
with good income. A girl who like thousands of teen girls could not separate
sex from love. He undoubtably told her that they wouldn't be together but
as long as they were sleeping together she thought there was still a chance.
This was a girl that was willing to put up with being treated like a booty call because other people just did not understand their forbidden love and she was clearly insecure. She
was probably used to getting her way and did not tolerate it when she didn't.

There was something more to this than just a man who
used a psychopath as a booty call and got killed because she was
crazy. Did he beat her? Probably not but there's more to it than
has come out.
 
  • #1,196
Does anyone know, Is court in AZ always Tues - Thurs? Thanks
 
  • #1,197
No need to hack. He gave her the password


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So, SHE says...I don't think that she is all that credible...

ETA: OOps...sorry...this was way after the fact. I was slow in catching up.
 
  • #1,198
Seriously I think that many people on here are much more
comfortable with only listening to what the media tells them and not giving people a chance to defend themselves.

When I look at this relationship I see a man who said that he didn't
want anything to do with her when his friends showed concern but
emailed and talked to her on the phone behind their backs. A man who
not only failed to press charges but employed her in such a way that she
had constant access to his home and entered into a car sale with her.
These actions are not someone who doesn't want her around but uses her
for sex if she comes throwing herself at him. I see a man who did
not want to admit to his friends that he did not want to get rid of her.
They knew she was unstable but he tried to give her the benefit of the doubt.
He was possibly very attached to her because she was "supposedly" his first.


As far as her, I see a girl who thought she was set with a handsome man
with good income. A girl who like thousands of teen girls could not separate
sex from love. He undoubtably told her that they wouldn't be together but
as long as they were sleeping together she thought there was still a chance.
This was a girl that was willing to put up with being treated like a booty call because other people just did not understand and she was clearly insecure. She
was probably used to getting her way and did not tolerate it when she didn't.

There was something more to this than just a man who
used a psychopath as a booty call and got killed because she was
crazy. Did he beat her? Probably not but there's more to it than
has come out.

It was really all quite predictable to those familiar with that type of dysfunction/mental illness, right up to the murder part -- and even that was somewhat predictable in the end, as evidenced by his friend's worries that she would harm him and their certainty that she did when they found out about the murder. Up to the point of the murder, I would say it's almost "classic." If you want to read essentially the same story over and over and OVER again, try bpdfamily.com. A short perusal of the public boards there show the pattern, but most without the added religious element.
 
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Does anyone know, Is court in AZ always Tues - Thurs? Thanks

Trials are mostly 3-4 days a week. Court is everyday, but a day or two is set aside for housekeeping matters and other cases on the Judge's docket.
 
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