JOHN ANDREW RAMSEY'S DISAPPOINTING AND INSULTING RESPONSE TO CINA WONG

[Choices]

2) why desecrate your daughter's body? Was that really necessary?

Yep, that makes no sense. Why the need to go the extra mile? For good measure? Why, if they thought she was dead? They still could have done the alleged staging without it. Or if they thought she was alive, it makes even less sense to say "let's finish her off". It all seems so ludicrous. I don't know that I agree with anyone. I'm not sure Burke was the culprit.

 

[Tangy]

I feel like Burke did ALL of it. People saying that the parents found her and then did all the extra stuff to throw off LE, that extra stuff to me is what makes me think it was him. It seems like something a kid would do, either thinking she is faking and oh lets poke the bear, or he knew he hurt her and was like hmm I wonder what this is like.

 

[celticthyme]

I'm so sorry this little girl's killer was never held accountable. All these years later and no closer to justice. JonBenet would now be a 30 year-old. Might be married, be starting a family now - who knows. I saw an interview with the other brother, Burke. He seemed a bit "off." Lots of stuff that jumps out to me as weird with the whole family.

This family was such a sick system, that any of the family could have been at fault. The knots have me leaning against Patsy, however. And I do not remember if John Andrew was there, in the house at the time. I'm thinking not. It was so long ago now. I had a son near Burke's age and a daughter JonBenet's. It still upsets me after all of these years.

 

[fridaybaker]

Yep, that makes no sense. Why the need to go the extra mile? For good measure? Why, if they thought she was dead? They still could have done the alleged staging without it. Or if they thought she was alive, it makes even less sense to say "let's finish her off". It all seems so ludicrous. I don't know that I agree with anyone. I'm not sure Burke was the culprit.

The “extra mile” is one of the tell-tale signs of PR involvement, IMO. Just like the ransom note, it’s wildly dramatic, the stuff of novels by very amateur novelists. And I think that fits PR’s personality to a T.

 

[CloudedTruth]

This family was such a sick system, that any of the family could have been at fault. The knots have me leaning against Patsy, however. And I do not remember if John Andrew was there, in the house at the time. I'm thinking not. It was so long ago now. I had a son near Burke's age and a daughter JonBenet's. It still upsets me after all of these years.

John Andrew was in Atlanta at the time......he celebrated Christmas there with his mother, sister and her boyfriend. His alibi was confirmed by police.

 

[CloudedTruth]

The “extra mile” is one of the tell-tale signs of PR involvement, IMO. Just like the ransom note, it’s wildly dramatic, the stuff of novels by very amateur novelists. And I think that fits PR’s personality to a T.

Agree 100%. It screams Patsy.

 

[RookieWebsleuth2024]

This is such a sad, tragic case... Whoever killed that girl destroyed so many lives...

 

[Deleted member 187229]

A couple of weeks ago I attempted to have a mature conversation (on Twitter under the name Websleuths) about the evidence in the Ramsey case with JonBenet's older half-brother John Andrew Ramsey.

Via a tagged tweet from Websleuths I invited him to listen to our live stream with Cina Wong and I pointed out how many matches Ms. Wong made between Patsy's writing and the writing of the ransom note.

Cina Wong is a very well respected and professionally recognized handwriting expert who has testified in over 65 court cases.

In response to my tweets John Andrew blocked me, called me a troll, and proceeded to attempt to attack Cina Wong and her credentials in a very immature manner.

John Andrew tweeted and asked if Cina Wong knew Henry Lee. WTH?
It never occurred to me the obvious reason for asking this question. There is only one reason why he would say this. Think about it.

I am posting here the responses to John Andrews's accusations about Cina Wong. If you have any trouble following what is going on please post your questions.

These same screenshots will be tweeted out by Websleuths and we will make John Andrew aware of these answers if he is curious to know the truth.

JAR's behavior is so disappointing. He is acting like a spoiled rich kid frat boy.

Please take a look at the tweets and responses.

Tricia
PS. I did make a crack about Lin Wood when JAR tweeted he would record my stream and send it to "Lin". "GOOD" I replied then suggested that perhaps the intruder also stole the election. That is my part but hey, using Lin Wood as a threat opens one's self up to these types of answers.

You can’t examine photo copies and copies of copies against unvarified handwriting examples pulled off the internet and say that’s a professional and accurate diagnosis. Cina Wong has never viewed any original docemtation. Her opinions are invalid and unprofessional in my opinion.

 

[GRT]

You can’t examine photo copies and copies of copies against unvarified handwriting examples pulled off the internet and say that’s a professional and accurate diagnosis. Cina Wong has never viewed any original docemtation. Her opinions are invalid and unprofessional in my opinion.

I'm in the same camp. While Cina is now quite respected and experience, at the time she examined the exemplars, she wasn't even certified, and that wasn't/and still isn't, her speciality.

 

[Tricia]

You can’t examine photo copies and copies of copies against unvarified handwriting examples pulled off the internet and say that’s a professional and accurate diagnosis. Cina Wong has never viewed any original docemtation. Her opinions are invalid and unprofessional in my opinion.

Cina Wong had original handwriting from Patsy Ramsey before the killing. Have you looked at her work? It is incredible.

 

[WhoKnowsWhat]

With regards to the hiring of lawyers. I'm willing to speculate that JR got a sense for what he was dealing with in terms of the B.P.D.

He saw where this was going. He saw who he was dealing with. When the initial shock subsided and he could think clearly, I'm sure he realized that this investigation was $@%&ed from square one.

The police didn't search the house. They did everything wrong. Careers could be on the line, and he could likley sense they were switching into self preservation mode (aka cover your @$$). (Seriously, how do you not sweep the house? )

I've watched many of the various interviews over the years, with the police. Remember, when these interviews were conducted, it was after they discovered she was dead.

I think in the time between the initial 911 call and when they found her.... that the police didn't take this 100% seriously. And it shows.

Said another way.... They messed this up. They knew it. JR knew it too, and took a defensive posture. I don't blame him.

I also don't buy that the boy killed her, and the parents covered for him with this crazy story. The kid was too young to be charged no matter what, but even if they wanted him completely out of the limelight - they could have come up with a thousand better excuses than this mess.

John sent Burke to a friends house that morning. Apparently not afraid Burke would talk. I don’t think he did it.

 

[Ponytale]

John sent Burke to a friends house that morning. Apparently not afraid Burke would talk. I don’t think he did it.

Or he sent him away because he was more afraid that Burke would talk in the presence of all those LE officials at the house that morning. Also a possibility.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Is it possible that the woman who pretended to be BR's grandmother only said that because she was told to do so by the Ramsey's? Maybe they thought police wouldn't recognize him and could be convinced he was one of her grandchildren, then either BR let slip who he was or one of the officers recognized him? Then, in this scenario, the woman had to continue to pretend she was BR's grandmother because she had already told an officer that.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Is it possible that the woman who pretended to be BR's grandmother only said that because she was told to do so by the Ramsey's? Maybe they thought police wouldn't recognize him and could be convinced he was one of her grandchildren, then either BR let slip who he was or one of the officers recognized him? Then, in this scenario, the woman had to continue to pretend she was BR's grandmother because she had already told an officer that.

Very doubtful. When they finally brought BR downstairs to go with FW to the White's house, a police officer tried to approach BR to ask some questions. JR stepped in between and said no. BR was then quickly ushered out of the house and off to the White's. The police knew where BR had been taken. Det. Patterson went to the White's to question BR, which police had the right to do as he was not a suspect at that point, nor was he in custody. They didn't need anyone's permission to question him, but PW's sister for some reason identified herself to Det. Patterson as the grandmother. I doubt very much that JR was in contact with PW's sister, and the Ramseys had no idea until later that Patterson had indeed manage to ask BR some questions.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Very doubtful. When they finally brought BR downstairs to go with FW to the White's house, a police officer tried to approach BR to ask some questions. JR stepped in between and said no. BR was then quickly ushered out of the house and off to the White's. The police knew where BR had been taken. Det. Patterson went to the White's to question BR, which police had the right to do as he was not a suspect at that point, nor was he in custody. They didn't need anyone's permission to question him, but PW's sister for some reason identified herself to Det. Patterson as the grandmother. I doubt very much that JR was in contact with PW's sister, and the Ramseys had no idea until later that Patterson had indeed manage to ask BR some questions.

Oh ok. One of the theories I read for why she might have said she was his grandmother was so that police could question him, but if that wasn't the case and they could freely talk to him, it makes the decision to say that even more strange. Just another thing that doesn't make sense in this case, I guess.

 

[Tricia]

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[wildlilli]

This statement focuses on racism rather than sexism (the sexism being that John the sexual abuser always gets a pass, and the blame is shifted towards Patsy and Burke). But have you ever noticed that there is far MORE evidence against John Ramsey than against OJ Simpson? Ramsey had MOTIVE to silence JonBenet - plus his older daughter from his first marriage also accused him of sexual abuse.

There's quite a bit of evidence against John Ramsey - including that the ransom note could easily have been composed by him - it's all about HIM; it's a big ego trip to HIMSELF. And if John convinced Patsy that Burke had done it by accident, then obviously John could have dictated it to Patsy so that she would physically hand-write the note.

I think that a kidnapping attempt was made against his older daughter Melinda, and that the ransom note was left on a voicemail rather than on writing paper. I guess that is where John got the idea for a kidnapping?

And even the fact that Patsy almost never went in the basement (she was scared of the basement) - that points to the circumstantial evidence that John would think the basement was a "safe place" (safe from Patsy) to hide the body.

<modsnip: Please do not introduce racial issues into this discussion.>

I am in Canada and CANNOT IMAGE that John Ramsey would not have been arrested and charged in Canada.

Can You verify that his daughter from his first marriage accused John of sexual abuse ? What about the kidnapping attempt of Melinda . I have never read or heard of these claims

 

[CloudedTruth]

Can You verify that his daughter from his first marriage accused John of sexual abuse ? What about the kidnapping attempt of Melinda . I have never read or heard of these claims

I have never heard of a kidnapping attempt of Melinda. And from everything I have read over the years, there is no way to verify that JR had abused Beth. Allegedly, BPD did send officers to interview college friends of Beth about those accusations. IIRC there was something that had appeared in the tabloids about that. I never saw that personally and supposedly it has now been wiped from the internet. I had also read that Beth was supposedly seeing a therapist because of the earlier abuse, but no further information about that has ever surfaced to my knowledge. At this point it's all just rumor that resurfaces every now and then. The other two older kids denied any inappropriate behavior towards them from JR. It can't be proved or disproved.

 

[Tricia]

I have never heard of a kidnapping attempt of Melinda. And from everything I have read over the years, there is no way to verify that JR had abused Beth. Allegedly, BPD did send officers to interview college friends of Beth about those accusations. IIRC there was something that had appeared in the tabloids about that. I never saw that personally and supposedly it has now been wiped from the internet. I had also read that Beth was supposedly seeing a therapist because of the earlier abuse, but no further information about that has ever surfaced to my knowledge. At this point it's all just rumor that resurfaces every now and then. The other two older kids denied any inappropriate behavior towards them from JR. It can't be proved or disproved.

There has never been any proof that John Ramsey abused Beth. I feel confident that if there had been any truth to this, the police would have uncovered it. I can see the BPD interviewing college friends of Beth about John in general. If I remember correctly John's older children were adamant early on that John was a good father and did nothing wrong. You are correct CloudedTruth. These are just ugly rumors and there is no truth to them.
My problem with John Ramsey lately is the lying he has been doing, such as on Ashleigh Banfield by saying Chris Wolf needs to be looked at. John knows damn well Chris Wolf was absolutely cleared by the BPD as well as the fact Chris Wolf gave the BPD his DNA and it did not match. Yet, John has no problem jumping on a national platform and ruining this man's life with what he must know are
lies in my opinion

 

[Linda7NJ]

There has never been any proof that John Ramsey abused Beth. I feel confident that if there had been any truth to this, the police would have uncovered it. I can see the BPD interviewing college friends of Beth about John in general. If I remember correctly John's older children were adamant early on that John was a good father and did nothing wrong. You are correct CloudedTruth. These are just ugly rumors and there is no truth to them.
My problem with John Ramsey lately is the lying he has been doing, such as on Ashleigh Banfield by saying Chris Wolf needs to be looked at. John knows damn well Chris Wolf was absolutely cleared by the BPD as well as the fact Chris Wolf gave the BPD his DNA and it did not match. Yet, John has no problem jumping on a national platform and ruining this man's life with what he must know are
lies in my opinion

Has he been living off the proceeds of lawsuits?
What’s old @llinwood up to these days anyway?
I am starting to think John’s current media tour is to antagonize in hopes of filing another lawsuit.