John Douglas "The Anatomy of Motive"

[SuziQ]

Now wouldn't it be just DANDY if the prosecution was using an FBI profiler in their case in chief?? Been hoping that very thing since profiling has become so common in many cases. Remember that the profiler (and IIRC it was John Douglas himself) told prosecutors in the Wayne Williams/Atlanta Child Murder case how to question him on the stand to get him to show his "true" self.??

What's interesting about that is IMO, the FBI interviews we've seen, seem to be more about building a psych profile than anything else.

 

[Broderick]

What's interesting about that is IMO, the FBI interviews we've seen, seem to be more about building a psych profile than anything else.

For future cases probably. She will long be studied I bet. Her family dynamics will probably be studied too and used in future investigative profiling.

 

[Skully]

sooooo true, i am reading the Anne Rule book about Diane Downs and the parallels between her and KC are shocking! IMO, they have the exact same personality disorder.

if you guys haven't read it do so, or re-read it. i think she is more like her than susan smith, darlie routier or andrea yates.

I am reading it right now too, so many things that parallel KC.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

Bear with me please ... this is gonna be long!

A lot of people seem to believe that there is no motive in this case, when to me the motive has always been clear, as this fictional case clearly illustrates, as well as many other real life cases eg. Susan Smith, Diana Downs ... These women remove the objects that are holding them back from achieving their goals in life: Love of a certain man. That is all Caylee became to KC ... an object that was in her way. Since her birth, Caylee had been a "prop" for KC ... you can see it in her photos. Think of the way that in most of the ones where they were pictured together, with both of them mugging for the camera ... Caylee was only in those pictures to accessorize KC. Even the ones of Caylee by herself ... IMO you can spot the ones that KC took, because Caylee was all dressed up ... like a doll ... a toy ... a frivolous plaything. Some people her age take pictures of their cars all tricked out ... KC took pictures of Caylee all tricked out. As long as Casey was choosing men that liked this "style" ... she was fine with her ... when she chose a man that didn't think Caylee was all that "fashionable" she ditched her like a pair of old acid washed jeans. She needed to invent this elaborate story only because she got caught. If her parents hadn't found her and brought to light that Caylee was missing, I think in her mind she thought that she and TL would have moved to NY together and lived happily ever after. She would explain to TonE that her mother wouldn't allow her to take KC to NY and so she gave Caylee up so that she could be with him ... She sacrificed her relationship with her daughter for him. "Who wouldn't see that as a testament to true love, right?" She would also pepper the story with the lies necessary to make him believe her, understand, and even make her seem the victim ... "They said that if I took her that they would sue for custody and so I let Caylee stay in FL with my mom because that was where Caylee was comfortable and happy." At the same time, KC would have told her parents that they had pushed her to the point that she was forced to take Caylee and that they would never see the two of them again. Of course there are a few flaws that we all see with this scenario ... but you have to remember ... we are dissecting the mind of KC ... not a normal person. KC's "business" was making people believe whatever she wanted them to believe and she was very good at it!!! If she could have parlayed that into a career, a way to make a living, she could have lived a very comfortable life. Most people have enough hubris that we all believe ourselves to be excellent judges of character, when in fact just this very thing puts us at risks to the skilled opportunist! And so when we are taken in, it is very hard to admit!! Many victims of financial schemes never come forward ... out of embarrassment. It brings into question one of our dearest virtues ... our faith in others. GA and CA prove this ... they still cannot admit that they were duped by KC, though we see it happened to them time and again. With GA and Ca it is especially hard since KC's character also reflects on their family on their parenting. "KC would never hurt her child" -- Cindy, at this point in life should and does know that no statement should be prefaced with "KC would never ...” She knows that KC is capable of triple layer deception ... yet admitting so would be admitting that she failed as a parent. So she stays, outwardly, in denial. I think that the nanny/kidnapping story was just KC's plan B - and yes, she thought this through enough that she probably had a plan C-Z as well - all spotlighting herself as the victim. I see KC's mind as a big chart of complicated algorithms ... if this happens then I will do this ... if that causes this to happen then I will say this ... and on and on. She is pathological in that way! The only problem is that KC doesn't think the way that the rest of us think ... to her, the explanations are entirely believable ... after all it isn't like she is saying that aliens came down from the heavens and abducted Caylee ... all of her lies are within the realm of possibility! Pseudologia Fantastica is probably a more specific way to explain KC's mind than even pathological liar ... Pseudologia Fantastica is hallmarked by the spattering of truths mixed with lies ... that in the liar’s mind make them believable and the lies ALWAYS paint the liar in a positive light!!

 

[debs]

One-hooah,

I have always thought that the "dress up" pictures were taken by Cindy.

 

[concentric]

I LOVE John Douglas' books, BTW, thanks. I've listed this on some other threads and I think this is part of the motive, sorry for the reiterization. KC thought of Caylee more like a kid sister than her own child, for numerous reasons. This shows in motive as jealousy and her detachment, thus contributing to the death of this child. It shows in her lack of remorse, empathy, her flat affect. This is the last thread I am adding my two cents about the sibling rivalry, i.e. Cain and Abel.

OK, feel free to fire at me, that's as good as I've got in this mess.

 

[Verité]

Irish Eyes, I greatly appreciate this terrific resource (& thread) which
is the kind of focus required in sleuthing this case. Input from KC has
been so likely to distract all who have encountered her/this case that
we tend to be driven in dozens of directions all at the same time.


Thanks again!

 

[Sammiejam]

sooooo true, i am reading the Anne Rule book about Diane Downs and the parallels between her and KC are shocking! IMO, they have the exact same personality disorder.

if you guys haven't read it do so, or re-read it. i think she is more like her than susan smith, darlie routier or andrea yates.

Andrea Yates is in a completely different catagorie to DD, SS, and DR. Andrea was mentally ill in the truest sense of the words. She did not know right from wrong at the time of the murders and the word "crazy" doesnt even come close to describing what goes on in her head without her medication.

DD, SS and KC are all birds of a feather, "ABSOLUTELY". (lol, sorry - couldnt resist)

 

[bessie]

When he was covering the 'Green River Murders' in Seattle, he collapsed and was in a coma for 5 days between life and death. He had Viral Encephalitis.

Ah! Thank you. Not a heart attack, encephalitis. Gravely ill, he collapsed under the weight of all the horror he carried in his mind. That's the part that stuck with me.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

One-hooah,

I have always thought that the "dress up" pictures were taken by Cindy.

Debs ... that is certainly possible! To me it just seemed like KC would dress her up. I remember the description that George gave of KC and Caylee the day she left with her ... the last day. They were both wearing backpacks and he said Caylee had on sunglasses ... you know that KC was wearing her "stunna" shades too. I just see in my mind, KC and her little "my twinn" doll. It's sad to think ... but Caylee probably wanted to be just like KC!