The Anatomy of a Motive

[bensmom98]

Who would kill a six-yr-old girl in her own home? What could possibly be his/her motive? I know that's where I started with my pondering. Means, opportunity, motive.

An obvious motive is to silence JonBenet. If she had been sexually abused prior to her death, and taking into account that she was anticipating a secret visit after xmas, then she was no stranger to subterfuge and keeping secrets. This kind of behaviour in a child victim, even discounting her pageant role, generally indicates some form of innapropriate behaviour. This is further evidenced by her requests to adults to assist her in her toilet hygiene. That by the age of six she did not regard this behaviour as immodest is pertinent!

Neither her parents or brother would have "silence" as a motive for killing JonBenet. She was already a willing participant in the pageant drama, loyal to her parents and already sharing a bed with burke on occassions. For any of the Ramsays to consider the murder of a six-year old child as some kind of "motive" or "solution" is obviously a non-starter, its consequences would be worse than the actions undertaken.

So it falls to considering either an Intruder or family friend/acquaintance as a likely candidate who would have JonBenet's silence as a motive. But the Ramseys would not dissemble or lawyer up for an Intruder, so it appears either a family friend or someone who may have been part of some clandestine Ramsay social scene which also involved JonBenet, and for whom JonBenet had been warned to keep the meetings and visits secret. In effect the motive of silence forms part of a wider conspiracy.

That's an interesting theory UK. Do you really think that the Ramseys would cover for such an individual? This would imply that they knew she was being sexually abused by said friend or acquaintence and did nothing to protect her. I can't believe that.

 

[RedChief]

An obvious motive is to silence JonBenet. If she had been sexually abused prior to her death, and taking into account that she was anticipating a secret visit after xmas, then she was no stranger to subterfuge and keeping secrets. This kind of behaviour in a child victim, even discounting her pageant role, generally indicates some form of innapropriate behaviour. This is further evidenced by her requests to adults to assist her in her toilet hygiene. That by the age of six she did not regard this behaviour as immodest is pertinent!

Neither her parents or brother would have "silence" as a motive for killing JonBenet. She was already a willing participant in the pageant drama, loyal to her parents and already sharing a bed with burke on occassions. For any of the Ramsays to consider the murder of a six-year old child as some kind of "motive" or "solution" is obviously a non-starter, its consequences would be worse than the actions undertaken.

So it falls to considering either an Intruder or family friend/acquaintance as a likely candidate who would have JonBenet's silence as a motive. But the Ramseys would not dissemble or lawyer up for an Intruder, so it appears either a family friend or someone who may have been part of some clandestine Ramsay social scene which also involved JonBenet, and for whom JonBenet had been warned to keep the meetings and visits secret. In effect the motive of silence forms part of a wider conspiracy.

Yes, UKGuy, your analysis shows promise.

Now feel free to correct me if you think I've misunderstood. I'm putting some elements of your suspicions (if I may call them that) into my own words: The secret Santa issue--the guy whom JonBenet was expecting and who sneaked into the house and killed JonBenet, may or may not have appeared in her home that night in the guise of Santa, and could have had his secret arrival communicated to JonBenet by an associate (a co-conspirator, though not a Ramsey?), although he could have himself prearranged his [murderous] rendezvous with JonBenet. But, without getting into distracting and speculative details, the guy who sneaked into the house and killed JonBenet, came there pre-announced (to JonBenet) and snuffed her out to silence her. The Ramseys knowing, or suspecting, the identity and purpose of the perp, chose to remain silent, and may have staged and have very likely been dissembling and lawyering up to hide the ugly truth.

He chose Christmas night as D-night, so he may very well have been dressed as Santa, thinking (rightly or wrongly) that he'd be inconspicuous. Now, I'm thinking out loud; no one reported seeing Santa entering the premises that night, but no one reported seeing anyone other than the Ramseys entering the premises that night. Being dressed as Santa might have helped to endear him to JonBenet, especially if she'd been expecting Santa, and make her more accepting of him?

So, it is not entirely outside the realm of possibility that Santa and JonBenet supped on pineapple that night, and that he didn't kill her right away, but lured her to the basement, and killed her eventually?

If he were dressed in traditional Santa garb, under a greatcoat or the like, in the pockets of which he carried his hat and beard and murder kit, he'd not stick out like a sore thumb to onlookers and he'd not leave red fibers in the window well (assuming that was his point of ingress) or on the window sill or frame, but might have shed some on the duct tape, etc., after having removed his greatcoat and begun acting the part of Santa.

So, which family friend/acquaintance can we point to as a good suspect? Probably someone who had been in the house and knew the layout; maybe someone who was privy to the the Ramseys' travel plans; most likely someone who knew JonBenet and vice versa, and someone who had participated in sexual misconduct with her in the past, or who was acting on behalf of someone who had engaged (possibly with the knowledge of the Ramseys) in such misconduct?

This hypothesis stands a chance of explaining quite a bit of the evidence.

 

[UKGuy]

That's an interesting theory UK. Do you really think that the Ramseys would cover for such an individual? This would imply that they knew she was being sexually abused by said friend or acquaintence and did nothing to protect her. I can't believe that.

They did know that JonBenet recieved assistance from adult males regarding her toilet hygeine, and as far as I am aware, no steps were undertaken to correct the situation.

They did know that JonBenet dressed up in adult themed styles, and not only exploited her sexuality but promoted it at her pageant appearances! John Ramsey put his foot down on her attending some Las-Vegas pageant, since it was too risqué! So they were not unaware with regard to the exploitation of JonBenet's innocence and sexuality.

So the issue of protection, although in regard to the above examples is a matter of degree, she was neverless, a child exploited, she was a victim prior to her death. Why her parents did NOT intervene and even encouraged her in her status as a victim, many theories can be put put forward, and one is that they had prior knowledge, even that they formed part of a social grouping among whom liberal values and ethos were a defining feature.

It is a characteristic that some of parents and extended family of child victims of sexual abuse will conseal and conspire to cover up. As unpalatable and disagreeable the suggestion is, some parents do behave in a way we would find completely counterproductive to the well-being of our children.
[font=&quot] [/font]

 

[UKGuy]

RedChief

Yes loosely speaking, what you write is a fair interpretation of the motive from silence. A compelling argument put forward by BlueCrab is that the Ramseys wouldn't behave the way they do unless a family member was somehow directly involved.

So since this has some merit it may be productive to include it in another hypothesis, but exclude Burke from an active role, that is not no role just he is not the bad guy.

So one of the few possibilities left is the "family friend" or associate. There is still the outside possibility that it was all the work of a scheming pedophile, who tracked and traced the Ramsey movements, visited the house when it was open to the public, then struck on the night he did.

Now prior to JonBenet's death the Ramsays may have attended or hosted some party or social event where shared liberal values were expressed. This may have been a recurring thing, and JonBenet may have been a part of this, attending irregularly, and obviously one of those shared values would have been secrecy.

The night she was killed there may have been "friends" over and one may have returned, after leaving, to sate his aroused perversions upon JonBenet. Or after a previous event where JonBenet had voiced her displeasure about her victim status, possibly even going as far as to phone the police. The friend/associate either being present or notified that JonBenet was intending to "talk" possibly decided as per the hypothesis to "silence" her.

So a xmas visit was proposed as a prelude to her murder, this time was chosen for its relative inactivity as conducive to its success. He may have drank the tea in the glass that left no forensics, he may have fetched the pineapple for JonBenet, he may have drawn the love-heart on her hand, before killing her in her bedroom, or right there in the breakfast bar, or even lured her downstairs to the basement.

The Ramsey's being part of a wider conspiracy knew the finding of her body in the house would trigger consequences that would be undesirable so some staging was undertaken, exactly how much is uncertain, but the dissembling and lawyering up is indicative that they were acting from a position of prior knowledge and collusion than one of evasive defense!

 

[sissi]

You guys, are missing something. If the santa helper was cunning enough to get this child to eat pineapple while he sipped tea, he was cunning enough to get her to walk out of that door. "Here's a note for your mom telling her "we'll be back soon", where should I leave it, where would we be certain she would see it as not to worry. I took the liberty to pack a few things for you, just for our little visit, a nice satin barbie's nightgown, a book to read on the trip, a blanket to keep you warm."
Are there shoes missing, a coat missing, and if so who would know? Patsy NEVER went back into that house, she has NEVER done an inventory.
Then , does he bury her under the porch nearby, as in the current case, or is it simply easier to dump her back in the basement and get out quickly.
What was the motive, certainly not a kidnapping for ransom, likely not for an intended murder, IMO it was to act on a fantasy, a fantasy to have his own live barbie doll.
Barbie has never been a theme here, no one binds them and throws them on lawns, no one hangs them from restaurant ceilings, and NO ONE that I know of writes pornographic barbie-murder stories complete with pictures of decapitated barbie and barbie in bondage. Yet, clearly the guy who ran that site, lived three blocks from this child, wrote a recipe for barbie sex/ murder is not a suspect. Are there others likeminded in the vicinity?

 

[RedChief]

You guys, are missing something. If the santa helper was cunning enough to get this child to eat pineapple while he sipped tea, he was cunning enough to get her to walk out of that door. "Here's a note for your mom telling her "we'll be back soon", where should I leave it, where would we be certain she would see it as not to worry. I took the liberty to pack a few things for you, just for our little visit, a nice satin barbie's nightgown, a book to read on the trip, a blanket to keep you warm."
Are there shoes missing, a coat missing, and if so who would know? Patsy NEVER went back into that house, she has NEVER done an inventory.
Then , does he bury her under the porch nearby, as in the current case, or is it simply easier to dump her back in the basement and get out quickly.
What was the motive, certainly not a kidnapping for ransom, likely not for an intended murder, IMO it was to act on a fantasy, a fantasy to have his own live barbie doll.
Barbie has never been a theme here, no one binds them and throws them on lawns, no one hangs them from restaurant ceilings, and NO ONE that I know of writes pornographic barbie-murder stories complete with pictures of decapitated barbie and barbie in bondage. Yet, clearly the guy who ran that site, lived three blocks from this child, wrote a recipe for barbie sex/ murder is not a suspect. Are there others likeminded in the vicinity?

sissi,

You're back! Good to see you. I could be wrong but I think the posts you're replying to postulate that Santa may have come to the house to kill the girl. Granted it's a very rough hypothesis. Someone killed her, obviously. So it wouldn't be a matter of being cunning enough to coax her into walking out the door. He had no intention of leaving the house with a live JonBenet.

"Does he bury her under the porch nearby, as in the current case..?" Whatcha talkin' 'bout?????? What current case? What porch?

I know you've mentioned this "dump her back in the basement" theory several times. Why is that theory so attractive to you? It would be much easier for him to do his dirty work in the basement and be done with it. Why complicate the situation by removing her and then bringing her body back? Does this guy want to get caught?

Tell us more about the Barbie guy. Is this McElroy? You know for a fact he lived three blocks away? Which site did he run? What was the nature of it? Can't imagine he wasn't thoroughly investigated by LE.

I think now, some posters are trying to devise a unified field theory, which involves both the Ramseys and the intruder/acquaintance or the intruder acting on behalf of an acquaintance.

What I don't find especially appealing about it is that it requires that the Ramseys were aware of, and perhaps even complicit in, sexually inappropriate behavior on the part of other adults toward JonBenet. Will it hold water?

Would it be OK with you if adult males assisted your six-yr-old daughter (if you had one) with wiping after going to the bathroom?

I know this has been argued before--this concept of modesty; i.e., when it develops--at what age? There is disagreement about this too, in addition to many other aspects of the case. Too many disagreements.

I don't have a 6-yr-old daughter, but I don't think I would want adult males helping her with her wiping if I did. That's a recipe for disaster, unless the males are close family members who are authorized by the parents to do so. Even then it's a little murky.

 

[sissi]

Hail ChiefI keep saying it because I believe it's possible that she was taken out of the house. JIMO it gives a purpose to the note, and explains why it was left on the steps. Jonbenet and the housekeeper are the only two that knew Patsy used these steps as a place to put things that needed attention. If Jonbenet didn't tell the killer to put the note there, then I would have to suspect the Pughs alone.

Mike, oh well, what can I say, the BPD working on a tip, showed up at his residence a year later to both interview him and confiscate his belongings. However, they DID NOT TAKE his harddrive! As I have mentioned, I don't have access to his site ,it was taken down, however, it's available to the da if she wants it. I know of at least one who hardcopied it.
Going on memory, it was called, Wide Awake and was divided into three sections, mind...body..and ..soul.
Much of the areas carried pictures of badly deformed children, horrific murder victims, and the barbie in various states of undress , bondage and death.
He wrote well, with an ultraviolent style, and no I can't remember a single story. He spoke of the "burning man" often, I suppose it was his favorite vacation spot. On the internet at that time, he was considered the expert in Japanese bondage knots. I am really having a tough time drawing on a seven year old memory...for some reason, he called himself andy savage..in Boulder he was known as the prophet..on the internet he was
EDITED OUT by JBRMOD2I do remember reading what I interpreted as his alibi...he was robotripping during the Christmas holiday in question..the only outing he had was one with his dad to see a Star Wars..or Trek? movie at a local theater

Somewhere in my collection of stuff, I have a hardcopy of his "heads up letter", describing the ordeal of being questioned by the police, taking a lie detector test and being swabbed...he's been cleared!!! However, was his madness one he did not share with others?

 

[RedChief]

Hail ChiefI keep saying it because I believe it's possible that she was taken out of the house. JIMO it gives a purpose to the note, and explains why it was left on the steps. Jonbenet and the housekeeper are the only two that knew Patsy used these steps as a place to put things that needed attention. If Jonbenet didn't tell the killer to put the note there, then I would have to suspect the Pughs alone.......


I do remember reading what I interpreted as his alibi...he was robotripping during the Christmas holiday in question..the only outing he had was one with his dad to see a Star Wars..or Trek? movie at a local theater....

Somewhere in my collection of stuff, I have a hardcopy of his "heads up letter", describing the ordeal of being questioned by the police, taking a lie detector test and being swabbed...he's been cleared!!! However, was his madness one he did not share with others?

Watch out! I'll lock you in my sweatlodge.

Robotripping??? Whassat? How old was this guy, Mike? Seems like quite a few of the early persons of interest were alibied by their family members. How good an alibi is that? Raburn for instance. Some were even allowed to alibi themselves. Oh, I was home alone with the flu. OK, you're cleared!! I think LE ought to go back and shine the spotlight on some of these early interviewees again. It's not uncommon for the perp to be among those. Still wondering about the Richardson twins. Have they fallen through the cracks?

There was a case in Colorado that was featured on Court TV or Investigative Reports quite some time ago about a young fellow in Colorado who murdered a married woman (the mother of a friend?) and left her hacked-up body in a field. He was "into" violent art--knife blades dripping with blood, shattered skulls, and so on; some sexually sadistic stuff too horrific to mention. He was a pretty fair artist, but his subject matter was cause for concern. They caught up to him when they found a panty stuffed in a furnace (I think) in an apartment that he once occupied. I believe he was a construction worker. I could be confusing him with someone else. There are so many bizarre, but similar, cases. I recall that it was a dogged lady investigator who tracked him down. Violence in art and writing are sometimes precursors to violence in the flesh. What spawns all this violence? Is it the lizard brain coming to the fore?

OK, just so we're clear on this: That she was taken out of the house alive gives a purpose to the RN. OK. But, why was she brought back dead, when it would have been much less risky to not bring her body back but to discard it outdoors, perhaps in a dumpster? It seems to me the guy was taking a big risk by being in the house in the first place. To compound the risk by coming back to the house with a dead body is just hard to imagine. IMO Also, why was she killed, if the intention was to obtain a ransom?

Do you really think that only JonBenet and the housekeeper knew about the practice of leaving things that needed attention on the spiral stairs? Further, wasn't it usually, if not always, the case that Patsy left things for Linda? What would make JonBenet think that she and her escort could leave things (a note) for Patsy? Burke and John weren't aware of this custom? Needless to say, Patsy was. Further, we don't know that the note was left on the spiral stairs. We have only Patsy's word for that...and John's. Further, her escort could have left the note on the stairs without JonBenet's kowledge or approval.

Baffled in Botswana.

 

[sissi]

Yep, true, everyone had an alibi that was acceptable to the BPD.
Robo'tripin'..taking large doses of guaifenisen/robotussin to get and stay "high". Passing a lie detector test, giving handwriting samples, and offering up dna cleared him ,as well as his writing style which showed a talent that exceeded the skills of the ransom author.
There were so many interesting characters, among them JTColfax, what the heck was his interest? What statement did he make when he set the foyer fire in the Ramsey home?

 

[RedChief]

Yep, true, everyone had an alibi that was acceptable to the BPD.
Robo'tripin'..taking large doses of guaifenisen/robotussin to get and stay "high". Passing a lie detector test, giving handwriting samples, and offering up dna cleared him ,as well as his writing style which showed a talent that exceeded the skills of the ransom author.
There were so many interesting characters, among them JTColfax, what the heck was his interest? What statement did he make when he set the foyer fire in the Ramsey home?

sissi,

On a serious note, why did he set that fire? D'ya'know?

On a humerous note, betcha the Ramseys hired 'im to burn the place down; to destroy all the evidence against them.

Lotta strange folks livin' in that community. "Keep your babies close"...

 

[skybluepink]

RC: Herewith responding to your earlier observation regarding the similarity between the JBR ransom note and the Leopold & Loeb/Bobby Franks ransom note. Can't be a coincidence. In fact, I picture our perp composing the note while looking at a book or website about the L&L case--with photos of the 2 nattily dressed & well-groomed dudes. And I suddenly can make a single piece of the puzzle fit: the "two gentlemen watching over" JBR are Leopold and Loeb.

And by "our perp," I'm still thinking Patsy, who tries to assume a persona similar to that of L&L in the RN but whose crudeness during times of stress is more reminiscent of Betty Broderick (who killed her ex-husband and his new wife as they slept but considered HERSELF the victim).

 

[dottierainbow]

You guys, are missing something. If the santa helper was cunning enough to get this child to eat pineapple while he sipped tea, he was cunning enough to get her to walk out of that door. "Here's a note for your mom telling her "we'll be back soon", where should I leave it, where would we be certain she would see it as not to worry. I took the liberty to pack a few things for you, just for our little visit, a nice satin barbie's nightgown, a book to read on the trip, a blanket to keep you warm."
Are there shoes missing, a coat missing, and if so who would know? Patsy NEVER went back into that house, she has NEVER done an inventory.
Then , does he bury her under the porch nearby, as in the current case, or is it simply easier to dump her back in the basement and get out quickly.
What was the motive, certainly not a kidnapping for ransom, likely not for an intended murder, IMO it was to act on a fantasy, a fantasy to have his own live barbie doll.
Barbie has never been a theme here, no one binds them and throws them on lawns, no one hangs them from restaurant ceilings, and NO ONE that I know of writes pornographic barbie-murder stories complete with pictures of decapitated barbie and barbie in bondage. Yet, clearly the guy who ran that site, lived three blocks from this child, wrote a recipe for barbie sex/ murder is not a suspect. Are there others likeminded in the vicinity?

Sissi,
Who is this person that you are referring to? It does sound like it was a pedophile that killed JonBenet. I bet he may have even took pictures of JonBenet and could have them on his hardrive to revisit the scene.

 

[sissi]

Sissi,
Who is this person that you are referring to? It does sound like it was a pedophile that killed JonBenet. I bet he may have even took pictures of JonBenet and could have them on his hardrive to revisit the scene.

I was referring to Mike McElroy, but we must be clear on this, the BPD cleared him as a suspect. Was he a pedophile? Nothing in his writings suggest this to be so, does he have an interest in murder and the macabre, yes. He was called the prophet while living in boulder, could this indicate followers? For some unknown reason I don't think he is the perp, it's that darn recipe on the net that could have easily influenced a less balanced person. I realize his sites are down, so those who didn't read them in the early days, can't quite get a picture, however, just that deja link I posted ,dating back to 97 should give a hint , "begging for pictures of blood and gore on serial killer sites", not too stable ya think?

 

[dottierainbow]

Maybe he did have followers. Just as Manson did.I still believe whoever the sick person or possibly persons who killed JonBenet must have some type of trophy.In the end they will be found out. I pray sooner than later. I remember reading a similar case with a little girl that was in dance class where a perpetrator was in their house. I don't remember all the details but there is so many possibilties.

 

[sissi]

Please do not post links to or copy posts from websites of this sort.

Moderator

 

[dottierainbow]

So is Brian King and McElroy the same person?

 

[sissi]

No, Brian King is one of his favorite authors, the Barbie site referred to above , was Mike's site, evidently this woman who responded found it the work of a "sick mind" . I am pointing out the obsession Mike had with serial killers and their "works".

From Amazon, book critique..lustmord by Brian King..
Amazon.com
"Even the most imaginative writers of fiction cannot equal the stark intensity and demented enthusiasm evident in the authentic writings of murderers." Thus Brian King introduces this collection of the writings and artwork of 37 men and women who expressed themselves primarily through the act of killing for pleasure (in German, Lustmord). The material includes diary entries, letters, scribbles found on walls or scraps of paper, poems, short stories, confessions, manifestoes, autobiographical statements, instructions on technique, maps, diagrams, drawings, photographs, and black-and-white photos of paintings and sculpture. John List, for example, uses words of eerie banality to explain why he killed his whole family: "I didn't want them to experience poverty." Charlie Starkweather, by contrast, conveys deep emotion: he says his heart has "a wildcatten hatred burned into it ... turning dark black with hate of rages." Lustmord is testimony to the bizarre workings of the murderous mind.

Product Description:
"Lustmord" is a compilation of essays, short stories, memoirs, confessions, letters, manifestoes, poetry, drawings, photographs and other works created by serial killers, mass murderers, cannibals, necrophiles, sexual sadists, psychopaths and assassins. These compelling, authentic documents are now available for the first time in one volume - an aesthetic testimony to the emotion and logic of a murderer's mind, a mind filled with terror and hatred, absurdity and horror, pathos and iniquity. Illustrated. Preface written especially for "Lustmord" by Herbert Mullin, a serial killer who murdered thirteen people in the Santa Cruz area of California between October 1972 and February 1973

 

[RedChief]

RC: Herewith responding to your earlier observation regarding the similarity between the JBR ransom note and the Leopold & Loeb/Bobby Franks ransom note. Can't be a coincidence. In fact, I picture our perp composing the note while looking at a book or website about the L&L case--with photos of the 2 nattily dressed & well-groomed dudes. And I suddenly can make a single piece of the puzzle fit: the "two gentlemen watching over" JBR are Leopold and Loeb.

And by "our perp," I'm still thinking Patsy, who tries to assume a persona similar to that of L&L in the RN but whose crudeness during times of stress is more reminiscent of Betty Broderick (who killed her ex-husband and his new wife as they slept but considered HERSELF the victim).

SBP: Herewith informing you that the "two gentlemen" were Spencer Tracy and Frank Sinatra. Their visages were on a framed movie poster hanging on a wall in the basement adjacent to the wine cellar.

I'm amazed that you mentioned Betty Broderick. I haven't thought of her in many moons, but had been thinking about her early this morning before I read your post. ESP? I found myself wondering how she's getting along in the big house. Do/did you sympathize with her at all? I did.

While there are similarities between the Ramsey RN and the L&L note, there are also similarites between the lines in the RRN and the script in various movies, and similarities to the Lindbergh notes. Since kidnapping is the subject of the RRN, it's not surprising that it's reminiscent of other RNs and kidnappings, is it? There were some lines, words and ideas from Ruthless People which appeared in the RRN, including Mr. XXXXX, Listen very carefully! The word, "execution", we have no qualms about killing, "deviation", etc., not to mention that they advised the husband that he could withdraw the money from a retirement account. John's bonus had been deposited in a retirement account. There was a line in the RRN which almost certainly came from the Dennis Hopper movie (Speed?)--"You know that I am on top of you. Do not attempt to grow a brain." Then from Dirty Hairy, "I don't care if it's a pekingese pissing against a lamppost." Then from Ransom, If you contact the police or FBI, we will kill him. "We will kill him" was repeated. It was in that movie, that the exact brand and model of suitcase for transporting the money was specified, and it was in that movie that Mullins was instructed to transfer the money to other containers at one point. It interested me that the kidnapper demanded $2,000,000 in 50s and 100s, saying it would fit in those two suitcases. Since he didn't specify exactly how many 50's and how many 100's, his specification could have been satisfied by supplying two 50's and the rest 100's which would have fit into ONE suitcase. Scripting error. When Mullins asked the FBI guy why the kidnapper didn't ask for more money, he replied, "He's making it easy for you; he knows you got it; knows you won't have any problem coughing it up." This reminded me of the small amount in the Ramsey note and the precise, though odd, amount of $118,000 in some account. In short, I think the writer borrowed ideas and lines from several sources, not just L&L.

Patsy exhibits crudeness in times of stress? How do you know this?

It's been real...

 

[sissi]

Please do not post links to or copy posts from websites of this sort.

Moderator

I won't, however, this is google cache dating back to October 1995 preceding the murder, no copyright info would pertain, and it gave a clear peek into the thinking of one very "named" suspect.
Again, are we not discussing murder? This site does not continue to have active links to the "sites" that provide the serial murderer info, those links are dead.

 

[skybluepink]

RedChief: Thanks for the thorough recap. I didn't mean to imply that the L&L note was the only source; it's just that it & the Ramsey note have a strikingly similar overall feel. I also doubt that the writer would associate the description "two gentlemen" with famous movie stars (1 of whom was not known for being a gentleman)--assuming you were serious about that picture(?)--whereas I can understand how the images of L&L could hang in the cobwebs of the brain of someone who perused the case.

I'll let PR's various outbursts & body language as documented since day 1 speak for themselves. As for Betty Baby, spare us. I'm in the habit of feeling sorry for murder victims and not for their killers, but I'm funny that way.

"Though it gets me nowhere, I go there proud . . . "