John Ramsey on Oprah

[Roy23]

I guess we can't go any further then. Some food for thought. I know and understand that I have foreign DNA on me right now. As a matter of fact, every one in this office building does. I feel fairly certain that if they tested three places on the thousand or so people here, they will not find a foreign DNA that matches exactly. If it was found, it would be someone known not foreign.

I understand that you have an agenda. Sorry if that offends you. Everyone was so sure that someone in that house on Christmas eve killed JBR. It was a great theory because of numerous things you brought up. Unfortunately, a man foreign to that home left his DNA in her panties and on her longjohns where they took a gamble based on reasoning and hit a homerun.

I enjoyed hearing your insights and appreciate the dialogue. Unfortunately, we will not agree until they match the DNA.

 

[Ames]

I haven't heard him say that.



Well, this probably won't take, but there is a poster who contacted an DNA expert on this and was told it could very well be skin cells.



I doubt it. It can't be dated. That's the big thing here: no one can say for sure it was even left that night. To my knowledge, there's no test that can show how or when it got there.



Not really. As I've tried explaining for the last hour or so, there's foreign DNA on all of us. I'm sure we'd all be surprised/horrified to find out how much.



Sir, I will not have my efforts mocked. Not that I'm saying you are, but I'm laying the ground rules. I don't believe there is a conspiracy, just incompetence.



Per the DA's own words, sir: only when a conviction is made in court can that happen. They have proven nothing.

Let me be clear, sir. If it were any other case, I'd be right on your side. But with all the nonsense the current DA has pulled, I'd have to be a fool to trust her judgement. And as you can clearly see, I am not a fool.

And that's for dam* sure!

 

[Ames]

I guess we can't go any further then. Some food for thought. I know and understand that I have foreign DNA on me right now. As a matter of fact, every one in this office building does. I feel fairly certain that if they tested three places on the thousand or so people here, they will not find a foreign DNA that matches exactly. If it was found, it would be someone known not foreign.

I understand that you have an agenda. Sorry if that offends you. Everyone was so sure that someone in that house on Christmas eve killed JBR. It was a great theory because of numerous things you brought up. Unfortunately, a man foreign to that home left his DNA in her panties and on her longjohns where they took a gamble based on reasoning and hit a homerun.

I enjoyed hearing your insights and appreciate the dialogue. Unfortunately, we will not agree until they match the DNA.

So, I guess that your intruder wasn't alone, since the handwriting experts AND JOHN agree that a woman wrote the RN. And even narrowed it down further by saying that this WOMAN was southern, around 40 years old, and a journalism major....hmmmm...do we know anyone that fits that description? Anyone??

 

[BBB167893]

I guess we can't go any further then.

Sir, I know this probably won't take, but I am truly sorry. I know only too well how frustrating this case can get.

Some food for thought. I know and understand that I have foreign DNA on me right now. As a matter of fact, every one in this office building does. I feel fairly certain that if they tested three places on the thousand or so people here, they will not find a foreign DNA that matches exactly. If it was found, it would be someone known not foreign.

No, I understand that well. But let me give you some food for thought: without the ability to say for sure who left it and how and when, I'm just not ready to jump off the cliff yet. But who knows what tomorrow may bring? That thought has kept me going these last few years.

I understand that you have an agenda.

"Agenda?" Let me be clear, sir: my agenda is justice for JonBenet. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I have to be true to myself. I hope you can understand that. I simply can't be the man you want me to be. I MUST be true to myself. As I would encourage you to be.

Sorry if that offends you.

Well, I don't really know what to make of it. If you are implying that my motives are not what I state, that offends me greatly. I offer my feelings in good faith. Anyone who can't appreciate that...their problem.

Everyone was so sure that someone in that house on Christmas eve killed JBR.

For a long time, sir, I was so sure that they didn't. That may be hard to believe, but it's the truth, or may I be struck dead.

It was a great theory because of numerous things you brought up.

Which I am not ready to just brush off without explanations. I have yet to hear any.

Unfortunately, a man foreign to that home left his DNA in her panties and on her longjohns where they took a gamble based on reasoning and hit a homerun.

I can't agree. But I will say something that might surprise you: if they wouldn't focus on the DNA alone, they might find other leads. Who knows?

I enjoyed hearing your insights and appreciate the dialogue.

Likewise, sir. I always appreciate a challenge. You provided one expertly.

Unfortunately, we will not agree until they match the DNA.

Looks that way.

First round's on me!

 

[Solace]

I guess we can't go any further then. Some food for thought. I know and understand that I have foreign DNA on me right now. As a matter of fact, every one in this office building does. I feel fairly certain that if they tested three places on the thousand or so people here, they will not find a foreign DNA that matches exactly. If it was found, it would be someone known not foreign.

I understand that you have an agenda. Sorry if that offends you. Everyone was so sure that someone in that house on Christmas eve killed JBR. It was a great theory because of numerous things you brought up. Unfortunately, a man foreign to that home left his DNA in her panties and on her longjohns where they took a gamble based on reasoning and hit a homerun.

I enjoyed hearing your insights and appreciate the dialogue. Unfortunately, we will not agree until they match the DNA.

I remember watching a reporter speak to Dr. Wecht ;when the Karr thing was going on and she knew nothing on the case - it was obvious. But on the DNA, she said this proves that the Ramseys didn't do it and he said, well, maybe I am missing something, but it certainly does NOT PROVE THAT AT ALL. And I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, etc., etc. She agreed at the end but not before she made an idiot out of herself on national tv.



He was able to explain what he

 

[Roy23]

"Agenda?" Let me be clear, sir: my agenda is justice for JonBenet. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I have to be true to myself. I hope you can understand that. I simply can't be the man you want me to be. I MUST be true to myself. As I would encourage you to be."


Not at all trying to offend you with that even though we disagree. Quite frankly, you are a true gentleman. And I mean that with great respect.

 

[Roy23]

So, I guess that your intruder wasn't alone, since the handwriting experts AND JOHN agree that a woman wrote the RN. And even narrowed it down further by saying that this WOMAN was southern, around 40 years old, and a journalism major....hmmmm...do we know anyone that fits that description? Anyone??

As long as you understand that this is an opinion like so many others that think differently. Your post above doesn't prove anything at all. The DNA is a little different animal in that they use words like match and exact. Now I will admit that I am no expert but when I read it, I think it is a young person who wrote it.

 

[Maui4me]

I am with you Roy, but because I can see that my opinion will only cause strife, I am refraining from stating my opinion on this issue. I just hope that someday it is solved. I am a big believer in DNA evidence myself.

 

[Ames]

As long as you understand that this is an opinion like so many others that think differently. Your post above doesn't prove anything at all. The DNA is a little different animal in that they use words like match and exact. Now I will admit that I am no expert but when I read it, I think it is a young person who wrote it.

I agree with you that the DNA is important. But, the test that was done on it doesn't tell us when it was left there. It could have come from a panty factory worker, as Henry Lee said. The panties came in contact with the longjohns...so that's why touch DNA was found in both places. Have you ever seen the sample of Patsy's RN and the real one? How many young people do you know that can spell attaché, or calls people Gentlemen? Patsy on the other hand, was asked to write a letter. She wasn't told what to write..and in it she says..."there are two gentlemen beside of me", she was writiing about what was going on at the time. Also, her q's and the RN author's look like the figure 8, so what are the chances in that? We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Ames]

I am with you Roy, but because I can see that my opinion will only cause strife, I am refraining from stating my opinion on this issue. I just hope that someday it is solved. I am a big believer in DNA evidence myself.

Unlike other boards, we value everyone's opinion here. Please state your opinion on this issue.

 

[DeeDee249]

The Touch DNA may have been "foreign" to the Rs, but that does not mean it arrived there without their involvement. All they had to do was shake hands with someone at the White's- actually, a very likely occurrence, given that it was a party- or touch something (like a doorknob) that the donor had touched. PR admits to pulling the long johns on her, JR was seen holding her body by the waist(band) upstairs. So right there is a way for the DNA to get there. Until they test ALL the males at that party, including the children, that DNA most certainly does NOT exclude anyone as being the killer. It does NOT mean the parent(s) are innocent of her murder, and does not prove they do not know what happened that night.

 

[twinkiesmom]

The Touch DNA may have been "foreign" to the Rs, but that does not mean it arrived there without their involvement. All they had to do was shake hands with someone at the White's- actually, a very likely occurrence, given that it was a party- or touch something (like a doorknob) that the donor had touched. PR admits to pulling the long johns on her, JR was seen holding her body by the waist(band) upstairs. So right there is a way for the DNA to get there. Until they test ALL the males at that party, including the children, that DNA most certainly does NOT exclude anyone as being the killer. It does NOT mean the parent(s) are innocent of her murder, and does not prove they do not know what happened that night.

They also have to rule out the workers who sewed and packaged those panties....The amount of DNA was miniscule, and those panties were not sterile coming out of the package.

 

[JMO8778]

But who knows what tomorrow may bring? That thought has kept me going these last few years.

me too.and I think God is letting John hang himself for now...letting him get the noose tighter and tighter around his own neck...till one day the lid on this whole case blows,and the truth comes out.

 

[twinkiesmom]

I'd like to point out that you also touch the sides of your underwear when you go to the bathroom and pull them up after you go....Small children often grip the seat with their fingers to avoid falling in. It could have been innocent transfer from someone whose only guilt was using the White's restroom.

 

[DeeDee249]

I'd like to point out that you also touch the sides of your underwear when you go to the bathroom and pull them up after you go....Small children often grip the seat with their fingers to avoid falling in. It could have been innocent transfer from someone whose only guilt was using the White's restroom.

Yes- of course. And Lacy knew this. Any expert, whether LE, forensics, etc, would certainly know this. But Lacy had an agenda- and that was to exonerate the R family before she left office. She was leaving office. She'd had this DNA for years. It wasn't new. The "touch" technology was available a few years ago. This "discovery" was timed by Lacy to coincide with her leaving office, and for the sole purpose of fulfilling her promise to the Rs.

 

[Roy23]

They also have to rule out the workers who sewed and packaged those panties....The amount of DNA was miniscule, and those panties were not sterile coming out of the package.

This is crazy. I am sorry to say that but it is true. A factory worker is not going to have his DNA in all of these places. I truly wish Henry Lee could read this and set this straight from the new developments. It would end this nonsense.

 

[Ames]

This is crazy. I am sorry to say that but it is true. A factory worker is not going to have his DNA in all of these places. I truly wish Henry Lee could read this and set this straight from the new developments. It would end this nonsense.

A factory worker could have left it on the panties and it was transferred onto the longjohns....he didn't have to "have his DNA in all of these places". As another poster stated, it could have even come from JB using the toilet at the Whites. Why choose the longjohns to test anyway, why not the garotte, the blanket that she was wrapped in, the broken paintbrush, for example. Because the only prints on those would be the Ramsey's. I believe that the longjohns and panties were chosen to be tested, because there could be an innocent explaination...such as JB using the White's toilet, or a factory worker's DNA ....but, they could call it foregn and exonerate the Ramseys'. As Nancy Grace said just last night..."The Ramsey's DNA wasn't found there, but that hardly exonerates them".

 

[angelwngs]

In DOI Patsy talks about going to yard sales. She says that JBR and Burke loved to look for toys and she for "treasures".

I wonder...especially since JBR had frequent accidents if maybe PR found undies and longjohns for her to sleep in at yard sales. Previously worn, with previous DNA! Patsy may have been so slack as to not wash them before letting JBR wear them. That would explain only one pair of the size 12's. (The bought a pack of size 12's at Bloomingdales for the Christmas present for niece may have been total BS especially since none were produced until well after the move to Atlanta.)

 

[Solace]

This is crazy. I am sorry to say that but it is true. A factory worker is not going to have his DNA in all of these places. I truly wish Henry Lee could read this and set this straight from the new developments. It would end this nonsense.

Henry Lee said after this new evidence that all it does is put us back to square one. Which means, the Ramseys are still under suspicion.

 

[Ames]

In DOI Patsy talks about going to yard sales. She says that JBR and Burke loved to look for toys and she for "treasures".

I wonder...especially since JBR had frequent accidents if maybe PR found undies and longjohns for her to sleep in at yard sales. Previously worn, with previous DNA! Patsy may have been so slack as to not wash them before letting JBR wear them. That would explain only one pair of the size 12's. (The bought a pack of size 12's at Bloomingdales for the Christmas present for niece may have been total BS especially since none were produced until well after the move to Atlanta.)

I could see Patsy buying longjohns at a yard sale, but not panties. I don't know though. I still think that the DNA arrived on the panties and longjohns via transference from something or someone....(other than an invisible intruder), for example...JB played with other kids at the party, she could have even used the White's toilet, the Ramsey's (as another poster mentioned...was it you?) could have shook hands with someone and then transferred the touch DNA, that is just how easy the stuff transfers from one place to another. All you have to do is touch someone or something...and then touch another person, or another item...and viola....THEIR touch DNA is on the object that YOU touched.