John Ramseys version - Merged

[why_nutt]

WN - you are da bomb.

Later I will collate all the different statement which have been made about the journey home.

WN - since you presumably know the addresses for the White/Walker/Stine homes - can you get a driving time between them from Autoroute or Mapquest?

No problem. I use Yahoo for driving directions, since my experience has shown that they tend to be the most accurate. According to their maps, the distance from the White house to the Walkers is about seven-tenths of a mile, approximately two minutes to drive. From the Walkers to the Stines, three-tenths of a mile, approximately a minute. From the Stines to the Ramsey house, about four-tenths of a mile, another minute or two. Really, an average person would have no problem just walking these distances, look at how they add up to just a bit under a mile and a half.

Edited to add: from the Ramsey house to the Fernie house, the map says the distance is 3.6 miles, and the driving time is about ten minutes.

 

[Jayelles]

No problem. I use Yahoo for driving directions, since my experience has shown that they tend to be the most accurate. According to their maps, the distance from the White house to the Walkers is about seven-tenths of a mile, approximately two minutes to drive. From the Walkers to the Stines, three-tenths of a mile, approximately a minute. From the Stines to the Ramsey house, about four-tenths of a mile, another minute or two. Really, an average person would have no problem just walking these distances, look at how they add up to just a bit under a mile and a half.

Thanks squire.

 

[dottierainbow]

I don't think it odd @ all what John remembers or does not remember. I don't remember where I park my car at Walmart 90% of the time. At times I don't remember which of my vehicles I even drove there. I have been guilty of getting in other peoples car and my key doesn't fit cause it's not even my vehicle.
I'm too busy thinking of whats on my agenda for that day that I forget trivial things.

I don't recall that this has ever been discussed, but I've been reading John Ramsey's police interviews again and some things (well actually quite a lot of things!) strike me as odd.

Lou Smit asked John about the journey home from the Whites and these are the key points he makes:-

1. That it is only about 6 minutes drive from the White's to the Walker's.
2. Only Patsy went into the Walker house - John, Burke and JonBenet stayed in the car.
3. That it was another 2 minute drive from the Walker house to the Stine house.
4. John DOES NOT RECALL if Burke went into the Stine house.
5. John DOES NOT RECALL if Jonbenet went into the Stine house.
6. John DOES NOT RECALL if HE went into the Stine house.

eh? This is supposed to be the last few hours of his daughter's life and he doesn't recall if he went into someone's home or if he sat in the car with the kids? In my experience, people who lose a loved one suddenly and tragically tend to go over and over in their mind those last moments that they were together.....OK...

However one thing does strike me as odder - that he doesn't recall if Jonbenet went into the house. So he isn't claiming that she was asleep at this point..... AND...

7. They THEN debated whether to go to the Fernie's
8. But decided NOT to because
9. It was a 15 minute drive and
10. BOTH the kids might have wanted to go in there which would have resulted in
10. Another 45 minutes when they had an early start...

Note that John remembers debating going to the Fernie's but NOT whether he and the kids went into the Stines. Their decision NOT to go to the Fernie's did not include their need to get a sleeping Jonbenet home - 2 minutes away.

2 minutes later, the Ramseys were at home and in that space of 2 minutes, Jonbenet had become so zonked that she didn't waken up even when they put her in bed and semi-undressed her....

I find this very odd indeed. Quite a few inconsistencies. I know kids can fall asleep quickly but if my children were trying to fall asleep even 10/15 minutes from home, I'd be trying to keep them awake! "Don't go to sleep!" is a common exclamation in our car when we're nearing home after a long trip.

Yet according to John, JonBenet may have gone from 'visiting' at that Stines to 'zonked' at the Ramseys - within the space of 2 minutes - yet in the moments prior to her falling into this zonked condition, her parents didn't consider her exhaustion as a factor in whether or not to keep the kids up for another 45 minutes whilst they visited yet more friends!

 

[Jayelles]

Lou Smit asked John about the positioning of the ransom note - whether it had any significance. John suggested that a housekeep might have left notes there.

Where would you leave a note for someone? If it was important, I would leave it somewhere that the person would be bound to find it... in front of a clock, propped against a kettle, stuck to a bathroom mirror....

Why the back staircase of the Ramsey house?

 

[Solace]

I don't think it odd @ all what John remembers or does not remember. I don't remember where I park my car at Walmart 90% of the time. At times I don't remember which of my vehicles I even drove there. I have been guilty of getting in other peoples car and my key doesn't fit cause it's not even my vehicle.
I'm too busy thinking of whats on my agenda for that day that I forget trivial things.

The key word in your post is "trivial". There is nothing "trivial" about anything relating to this case. Their child is murdered and they cannot recall anything.

 

[icedtea4me]

Lou Smit asked John about the positioning of the ransom note - whether it had any significance. John suggested that a housekeep might have left notes there.

Where would you leave a note for someone? If it was important, I would leave it somewhere that the person would be bound to find it... in front of a clock, propped against a kettle, stuck to a bathroom mirror....

Why the back staircase of the Ramsey house?

And not only that, but why would a simple reminder for Patsy to leave a check require three pages and be addressed to Mr. Ramsey?


-Tea

 

[JMO8778]

Why is it when some posters bring up something interesting,it is a great revelation and such a great find,while when other posters do the same,it is treated as unimportant,and dropped like a hot potato?

I wonder why that is?

I don't know,you mean in general I guess?
I had read about PR saying JR came up from the basement and they were both screaming bf,in fact I thought that was well known,but it's always good to rehash some things,as far as the whole interview itself goes;many,many things I hadn't heard about bf were in it.

 

[Solace]

I don't know,you mean in general I guess?
I had read about PR saying JR came up from the basement and they were both screaming bf,in fact I thought that was well known,but it's always good to rehash some things,as far as the whole interview itself goes;many,many things I hadn't heard about bf were in it.

I am not sure this poster is referring to the basement statement. I think she was referring to something else, but it could be applied here.

I posted I thought it was a fantastic find and it was not known to me. I have been posting here for about 6 months or so and have not gotten into this case as others have, just because it is so frustrating. So when I read Rocket's post, it may have been well-known to others but not to myself and I found it extremely incriminating; so much so that I am now sure of their involvement. That is why I reacted so. That is probably going to happen a lot, people join and leave and there is always someone knew.

Nothing personal, just the way it is.

 

[JMO8778]

I am not sure this poster is referring to the basement statement. I think she was referring to something else, but it could be applied here.

I posted I thought it was a fantastic find and it was not known to me. I have been posting here for about 6 months or so and have not gotten into this case as others have, just because it is so frustrating. So when I read Rocket's post, it may have been well-known to others but not to myself and I found it extremely incriminating; so much so that I am now sure of their involvement. That is why I reacted so. That is probably going to happen a lot, people join and leave and there is always someone knew.

Nothing personal, just the way it is.

I'm sure,only saying in general the whole interview was a good thing to read;there were a lot of things I hadn't heard about.maybe some have and haven't,it's just an all around interesting one to go through.
Did JR give an interview around the same time as well? anyone know?
and was the trophy listed as a possible weapon? i rem. the list and the golf club,bat and FL were listed as such,and I think a brick as well.

 

[icedtea4me]

Did JR give an interview around the same time as well? anyone know?

On June 23-25, 1998 John was interviewed by Michael Kane and Lou Smit, while in another room Patsy was interviewed by Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth.


-Tea

 

[JMO8778]

On June 23-25, 1998 John was interviewed by Michael Kane and Lou Smit, while in another room Patsy was interviewed by Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth.


-Tea

ok,thx ohh I bet that Smit was hard on him,wasn't he??!! (yes,sarcasm here).

 

[Ames]

I don't think it odd @ all what John remembers or does not remember. I don't remember where I park my car at Walmart 90% of the time. At times I don't remember which of my vehicles I even drove there. I have been guilty of getting in other peoples car and my key doesn't fit cause it's not even my vehicle.
I'm too busy thinking of whats on my agenda for that day that I forget trivial things.

LOL...the only thing about this is....we are talking about the last night that he presumably saw his daughter alive...not a trip to Walmart, and losing his car in the parking lot. You would think that he would have remembered the little details of the last time that he saw his daughter. I know that I would have...they would probably haunt me for the rest of my life.

 

[Ames]

ok,thx ohh I bet that Smit was hard on him,wasn't he??!! (yes,sarcasm here).

LOL...I bet that he couldn't get those "KID GLOVES" on fast enough!!!

 

[dottierainbow]

But the trips to the family friends had already happened and JonBenet was not dead at that time. So what would make him remember when it wasn't an important event to remember. Does that make sense?

LOL...the only thing about this is....we are talking about the last night that he presumably saw his daughter alive...not a trip to Walmart, and losing his car in the parking lot. You would think that he would have remembered the little details of the last time that he saw his daughter. I know that I would have...they would probably haunt me for the rest of my life.

 

[JMO8778]

LOL...I bet that he couldn't get those "KID GLOVES" on fast enough!!!

LOL! right on,and...they fit,so, no acquit!

 

[JMO8778]

I'd go get hynotized in order to recall exact details,if I had to.

 

[Toltec]

Patsy claims spending five minutes with the Walkers and 10-15 minutes with the Stines. That would be enough time for JonBenet to fall asleep.

So she falls asleep in the car...not unusual, given that she was up since six 6am. She most likely woke when they got home and walked into the house. It is then that she told Patsy she was hungry and Patsy fed her pineapple.

 

[Ames]

But the trips to the family friends had already happened and JonBenet was not dead at that time. So what would make him remember when it wasn't an important event to remember. Does that make sense?

No, I don't think that it makes sense, because it was the last night of his daughter's life...he should have remembered every second.

 

[JMO8778]

No, I don't think that it makes sense, because it was the last night of his daughter's life...he should have remembered every second.

every last memory would have been precious,for sure.

 

[why_nutt]

But the trips to the family friends had already happened and JonBenet was not dead at that time. So what would make him remember when it wasn't an important event to remember. Does that make sense?

Look at the stories of friends and families who remember every detail of the hours and days before their loved ones went off to die at the World Trade Center or the Pentagon or on the airplanes on 9/11. Thousands and thousands of people have burned into their memories what the various 9/11 victims were up to in the innocent and unknowing hours of September 10th, and six and seven and eight a.m. on September 11th.

It was not objectively important for John to bother remembering what the exact brand names were of the parts he used to upgrade the airplane he owned in Boulder, yet in DOI he had no problem rattling off their details. And why is that? Because he wanted to remember, even years later, something as trivial as airplane parts. He loved his airplane, and remembering every detail of it forever matters to him. He values that memory. It says something about John that he has no such ability to value the detailed memory of what he and JonBenet did on a normally memorable day like the special holiday of Christmas 1996, especially in a household that claimed it as a particularly loved holiday.