Jonah Shacknai Wants Investigation Reviewed

[CDS22]

People often want to cast blame when someone close to them dies under unusual circumstances, even if there is no blame to cast.

While I respect a mother's instinct, it is neither scientific nor objective.

JMO

Just like people want to cast blame in cases of suicide.

 

[deanna82437]

Just like people want to cast blame in cases of suicide.

Is that a statement of fact? Do you have an example of the fact? A link? Or is it just your opinion? TIA

 

[TorisMom003]

BBM. The evidence does show that the child died due to lack of oxygenated blood circulation. I'm not going to second-guess a Mother or her instinct as to the cause of death of her beloved son.

JMO

I have not said that Dina's instinct was wrong nor have I have said that Dina was wrong in not being able to accept the ME/LE ruling in Max's death. I understand that she is hurting. I also understand that she is more than likely wanting concrete answers to her questions.

Rebecca's family feels the same way. They do not believe that her death was looked at as well as it should have been. They question and are not able to accept the ME/LE ruling on her death. They are hurting. They also more than likely are wanting concrete answers to their questions.

Neither side is more important or more worthy of answers. Both families are hurting and do not feel that all of their questions have been answered. Dina is not the only mother that lost her child.

MOO

 

[lauriej]

http://www.10news.com/news/29253139/detail.html
Attorney Obtains New Info In Zahau Death Case

Anne Bremner Represents Rebecca Zahau's Family, Claims New Information Could Help Re-Open Probe

On Tuesday, Sheriff Bill Gore defended his department's findings, but he added he supported Shacknai's request and would cooperate with the attorney general if she wanted to review the case.

...nice of the sheriff to step up and 'support shacknai's request'------although i hadn't noticed him coming out to support the request of rebecca's family in recent weeks.

 

[MyBelle]

http://www.10news.com/news/29253139/detail.html
Attorney Obtains New Info In Zahau Death Case

Anne Bremner Represents Rebecca Zahau's Family, Claims New Information Could Help Re-Open Probe

On Tuesday, Sheriff Bill Gore defended his department's findings, but he added he supported Shacknai's request and would cooperate with the attorney general if she wanted to review the case.

...nice of the sheriff to step up and 'support shacknai's request'------although i hadn't noticed him coming out to support the request of rebecca's family in recent weeks.

Has Rebecca's family made a request in writing? If they have, I haven't seen it.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I have not said that Dina's instinct was wrong nor have I have said that Dina was wrong in not being able to accept the ME/LE ruling in Max's death. I understand that she is hurting. I also understand that she is more than likely wanting concrete answers to her questions.

Rebecca's family feels the same way. They do not believe that her death was looked at as well as it should have been. They question and are not able to accept the ME/LE ruling on her death. They are hurting. They also more than likely are wanting concrete answers to their questions.

Neither side is more important or more worthy of answers. Both families are hurting and do not feel that all of their questions have been answered. Dina is not the only mother that lost her child.

MOO

If Rebecca's family wants the investigation re-opened, they should make that request.

JMO

 

[flying monkey]

Is it true MS was on medication for add?

 

[steff13]

Is it true MS was on medication for add?

I don't think so. If he was, it wasn't indicated on the autopsy report.

 

[stilettos]

I have not said that Dina's instinct was wrong nor have I have said that Dina was wrong in not being able to accept the ME/LE ruling in Max's death. I understand that she is hurting. I also understand that she is more than likely wanting concrete answers to her questions.

Rebecca's family feels the same way. They do not believe that her death was looked at as well as it should have been. They question and are not able to accept the ME/LE ruling on her death. They are hurting. They also more than likely are wanting concrete answers to their questions.

Neither side is more important or more worthy of answers. Both families are hurting and do not feel that all of their questions have been answered. Dina is not the only mother that lost her child.

MOO

I concur. I can only use deductive reasoning to infer why one family's questions would be received and supported while the other...ridiculed and dismissed. I believ ethat both deserve more answers.

 

[CDS22]

State AG won't review deaths at Spreckels mansion

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/22/state-ag-wont-review-deaths-spreckels-mansion/

 

[time]

State AG won't review deaths at Spreckels mansion

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/22/state-ag-wont-review-deaths-spreckels-mansion/

Doesn't surprise me, they never want to go against LE or prosecutors - or judges for that matter.

In a letter dated Wednesday, Chief Assistant Attorney General Dane Gillette offered condolences to Shacknai but said the state Department of Justice would review a local investigation only under “very narrow circumstances,” including whether a conflict of interest exists or whether there are allegations of gross malfeasance by the investigative agency.

Plus, Shacknai did not make his case and he even stated he had no reason to doubt the results of the investigation ... weak and he knew it as he is an attorney and surely would have or could have consulted an attorney about such a request.

 

[IWannaKnow]

copy of the letter:
http://www.10newsblogs.com/pdf/Shacknai_letter.pdf

 

[thinkingstraight]

I concur. I can only use deductive reasoning to infer why one family's questions would be received and supported while the other...ridiculed and dismissed. I believ ethat both deserve more answers.

See, I see it completely opposite. It seems as though the suspicious death of a sweet little boy has been overshadowed by RZs death. Where is the outcry for Max?

 

[stilettos]

See, I see it completely opposite. It seems as though the suspicious death of a sweet little boy has been overshadowed by RZs death. Where is the outcry for Max?

I have said all along that both deaths should be reviewed and that both of their loved ones deserve answers. Equal justice is an outcry for MS and for RZ. Find out who was in the home the 24 hours before and day of MS's death. Get exact uncontrovertable proof of each person in and around the home, when they left (including the children)...have them interviewed by detectives, get the same for the day preceding and day of RZ's death....give LDT's to all of them...get flight info for the family for both incidents and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Betty P]

See, I see it completely opposite. It seems as though the suspicious death of a sweet little boy has been overshadowed by RZs death. Where is the outcry for Max?

All the more reason why an independent investigation is needed.

Max's death, while tragic, doesn't seem to be as unusual as Rebecca's. Anyone who has raised healthy, energetic, impulsive young boys knows the risks of accidents in the home, especially where stairs are involved. At that age, they have no fear or sense of personal danger. They just want to have fun and to them, all the world is a playground. I had a younger brother, like that. Exuberant, energetic and, in spite of older siblings and a mother watching out, he always seemed to end up in the ER or at the doctors office for a sprain, stitches or a broken bone. He did everything at 100 mph. The old fashioned term was "accident prone".

OTOH, Rebecca's death was highly unusual, very bizarre, especially coming so soon after Max's tragic death. In an extended family filled with jealousy, hostility,and resentment its natural to assume the worst. Any lower or middle class family in this situation would have been subjected to more scrutiny than we've seen in this case.

Both deaths are tragic, both should be more fully investigated.

 

[time]

I have said all along that both deaths should be reviewed and that both of their loved ones deserve answers. Equal justice is an outcry for MS and for RZ. Find out who was in the home the 24 hours before and day of MS's death. Get exact uncontrovertable proof of each person in and around the home, when they left (including the children)...have them interviewed by detectives, get the same for the day preceding and day of RZ's death....give LDT's to all of them...get flight info for the family for bith incidents and let the chips fall where they may.

I agree. Max deserves justice but I do not think his death is as suspicious as claiming Rebecca committed this bizzare suicide AFTER another accident that was a death. I'm fully open to finding out new stuff about Max's death whether it was an accident or not. I do think, as I have said, they need some forensic scientist with a physics background to review if that scenario was possible. However, there is not much to go on that it wasn't an accident. It remains suspicious that we are not privy to who was in that house that day, when they left, and what was transpiring while they were there.

I can't at all see, at this point, that claims of strangling or suffocation are warranted as Max's parents could have called for a second autopsy - they had control as far as I can see - and no one has shown evidence of some event occurring before Max's accident. I would think if that is the claim, someone would be pushing for full tranparency of who was in the house. If not Dina, then Jonah... he is the parent of all these children and the one who should be able to comment on all the relationships, etc. He is also accountable if he made some agreement with Dina to always be there, rightly or not. He does not seem to care about the rumors surrounding Rebecca, but cares about the ones surrounding him and maybe Dina. The two of them could clear up a bunch of stuff if they wanted. They were around as was Adam. But they are not doing that and instead expect everyone to quit 'bashing' them. You can't have it both ways. I lost all respect for the two of them when they came out with that joint statement about their marriage just having a rough patch.

 

[time]

See, I see it completely opposite. It seems as though the suspicious death of a sweet little boy has been overshadowed by RZs death. Where is the outcry for Max?

What is it you see as so suspicious about Max's death/accident? Where is there any indication that it some intentional harm was done to him? I'm open but I just don't see it.

 

[CDS22]

What is it you see as so suspicious about Max's death/accident? Where is there any indication that it some intentional harm was done to him? I'm open but I just don't see it.

A doctor from Rady's believes he was suffocated. The link is on the Max death thread.

 

[IWannaKnow]

This new Max may have been suffocated story just pours gasoline on the fire IMO. It was reported early on that DS believed Max was suffocated. If that doctor told her that, based upon his opinion on the 11th or 12th, that is simply that much more motivation, in my very humble opinion. I find it incomprehensible that he would say such a thing, given what Max's injuries were. If he was basing this only on his external injuries, that was a reckless statement to make. He should have had access to the other tests and known that he had a C-spine problem......

 

[stilettos]

I agree. Max deserves justice but I do not think his death is as suspicious as claiming Rebecca committed this bizzare suicide AFTER another accident that was a death. I'm fully open to finding out new stuff about Max's death whether it was an accident or not. I do think, as I have said, they need some forensic scientist with a physics background to review if that scenario was possible. However, there is not much to go on that it wasn't an accident. It remains suspicious that we are not privy to who was in that house that day, when they left, and what was transpiring while they were there.

I can't at all see, at this point, that claims of strangling or suffocation are warranted as Max's parents could have called for a second autopsy - they had control as far as I can see - and no one has shown evidence of some event occurring before Max's accident. I would think if that is the claim, someone would be pushing for full tranparency of who was in the house. If not Dina, then Jonah... he is the parent of all these children and the one who should be able to comment on all the relationships, etc. He is also accountable if he made some agreement with Dina to always be there, rightly or not. He does not seem to care about the rumors surrounding Rebecca, but cares about the ones surrounding him and maybe Dina. The two of them could clear up a bunch of stuff if they wanted. They were around as was Adam. But they are not doing that and instead expect everyone to quit 'bashing' them. You can't have it both ways. I lost all respect for the two of them when they came out with that joint statement about their marriage just having a rough patch.

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