Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager in 2006 *report released 2015* #4 *Dismissed*

[wendiesan]

WTF, why exactly would this work for their marriage? Is birthing a girl harder on your vagina that birthing a boy??????

This comes from the old misogynistic traditions held by various religions about the relative purity of men and women, and how you should come to whatever designated holy place for some holy ceremony only if you are "clean".
Women were considered to be unclean--more of the earth--than men who were seen to be more than of the spirit. A woman's menstrual cycle, her stages of pregnancy, and the stages of giving birth were held by many religious organizations as proof a woman's uncleanness. In order to preserve the cleanliness, thus the holiness, of these "holy" places, restrictions were put on the behaviour of both the men and women who attended the rituals performed there.
http://www.thebodyissacred.org/body/childbirth.asp

So, for instance, still, among some Orthodox Jewish sects, men cannot touch their wives when the women are having their periods. The women have to be very careful not to contaminate their husbands.
According to Deborah Feldman,

For two weeks every month, he can’t touch you. He can’t hand you a glass, even if your fingers don’t touch. He has to put it down on the table and then you pick it up. Secondary contact can’t happen. If you’re sitting on a sofa, you have a divider between you.

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/fa...t-sex-pedophilia-and-dating-non-jews-345.html

In the Middle Ages, this need for ritual purity led to laws that menstruating or pregnant women or women after childbirth could not enter a church. http://www.womenpriests.org/traditio/unclean.asp In fact, along with suicides and robbers, women who died while pregnant, or in childbirth, and unbaptised children were denied the right to burial in sanctified ground. The unspeakable cruelty of keeping things pure. ttps://books.google.ca/books?id=Ap4jTVHtcT0C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=burial+of+unbaptised+babies&source

So, why was a woman eligible to be considered ritually clean 40 days after the birth of a son and 80 following the birth of a daughter? There are different theories, so here are a couple of explanations.

After having given birth to a baby boy, a woman must wait a minimum of seven days before beginning her pure days; while after a baby girl is born, she must wait a minimum of fourteen days. Since the female child inherently carries a higher degree of holiness, due to her own biological, life creating capability, a greater void, or tumah, remains after her birth. Thus, the greater tumah after a baby girl's birth reflects her greater capacity for holiness (due to her creative powers) and necessitates the longer wait to remove this ritual impurity.

http://www.chabad.org/library/artic...l-purity-after-birth-of-males-and-females.htm

a. If she bears a female child, then she shall be unclean two weeks: The time period for each phase was double of that when giving birth to a son. For a the birth of a daughter, a woman was unclean for 14 days followed by 66 days.

b. She shall continue in the blood of her purification sixty-six days: The longer period of ceremonial uncleanness for the birth of a daughter should not be understood as a penalty. Instead, it is linked to the idea stated in the previous verses - that the time of impurity is for the symbolic responsibility of bringing other sinners into the world. When giving birth to a female, a mother brings a sinner into the world who will bring still other sinners into the world.

i. Some also suggest the longer period of time in connection with the birth of a girl was because girls are usually smaller at birth, and this would allow more time for the mother’s focused care and attention on the child. As well, since sons were more prized, the longer time at home for a mother with a new born girl would force the family to bond more deeply, over a more extended period of time with the new born girl.

http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0312.htm

This one demands more explanation for the casual reader. I mean, what is this 80 days and 40 days thing? Why does the gender of a child matter? And what is with the reference to seven days—are Michelle’s periods seven days long? With my background, though, I knew what was going on the moment I read this. It seems that the Duggars adhere to Bill Gothard’s sex regulations, which are loosely based on Leviticus 12 and Leviticus 15—and they think you should too. (Bill Gothard, as you will remember, is fast being engulfed in scandal over accusations that he is a serial child molester.) Just what are these sex regulations exactly?
At his Advanced Seminars in 1983, Gothard introduced sex regulations based upon Old Testament commands. Under the session titled “Six Purposes, Principles, and Keys To Fulfillment In The Marriage Relationship,” he told married couples to abstain from physical relations: 1. During the wife’s menstrual cycle; 2. Seven days after the cycles; 3. 40 days after the birth of a son; 4. 80 days after the birth of a daughter; and 5. The evening prior to worship.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...rds-sex-regulations.html#sthash.LFBYXLrr.dpuf

 

[JerseyGirl]

From the INquisiter:

Jill and Derick Dillard may be moving to Retalhuleu, Guatemala, according to a post asking for advice on an expat forum. Retalhuleu boasts a supersized, water theme park (Xetulul), a mega Walmart, and a mall with a food court with McDonald’s, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut.

First of all, notice that the word, Retalhuleu, is misspelled in the post. The poster identifies as female. She says she is from Springdale, Arkansas. Jill has lived her entire life in the Springdale area. The post was dated July 22, which was a week before the Dillard’s first tour ended on August 2 and their flight back to the States. The poster seems to be clueless about what she is doing, doesn’t appear to have done her research, and has scheduled a move without so much as verifying how much the move will cost. Does this sound like something Jill would do/write? You be the judge.

The hunch that Jill and Derick are headed to Retalhuleu is based upon several things:

They went to Guatemala twice this summer, once on a tour of three Central American countries and the second time they only went to Guatemala.

They went on the second trip to study Spanish for two weeks. Since nobody has to go all the way to Guatemala just to study Spanish, they might really have been hunting for a place to live. In Antigua, their destination for that trip, tourists don’t have to pre-register to take Spanish. There are dozens of language schools for tourists, and most classes are one-on-one with private tutors. You just show up and sign up.

Guatemala is safer than El Salvador because it has far less criminal gang activity. Also, Jill and Derick claimed that they were overwhelmed in El Salvador by the attention their “white baby” received. Another missionary couple recently had their white baby kidnapped in El Salvador in a frightful baby-trafficking scheme.

They love taking selfies by the sea, and Guatemala has more frontage on the Pacific Ocean than El Salvador or Honduras, the other two countries they explored this summer.

http://wtffundiefamilies.tumblr.com/

 

[threecrazykids]

This comes from the old misogynistic traditions held by various religions about the relative purity of men and women, and how you should come to whatever designated holy place for some holy ceremony only if you are "clean".
Women were considered to be unclean--more of the earth--than men who were seen to be more than of the spirit. A woman's menstrual cycle, her stages of pregnancy, and the stages of giving birth were held by many religious organizations as proof a woman's uncleanness. In order to preserve the cleanliness, thus the holiness, of these "holy" places, restrictions were put on the behaviour of both the men and women who attended the rituals performed there.
http://www.thebodyissacred.org/body/childbirth.asp

So, for instance, still, among some Orthodox Jewish sects, men cannot touch their wives when the women are having their periods. The women have to be very careful not to contaminate their husbands.
According to Deborah Feldman,

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/fa...t-sex-pedophilia-and-dating-non-jews-345.html

In the Middle Ages, this need for ritual purity led to laws that menstruating or pregnant women or women after childbirth could not enter a church. http://www.womenpriests.org/traditio/unclean.asp In fact, along with suicides and robbers, women who died while pregnant, or in childbirth, and unbaptised children were denied the right to burial in sanctified ground. The unspeakable cruelty of keeping things pure. ttps://books.google.ca/books?id=Ap4jTVHtcT0C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=burial+of+unbaptised+babies&source

So, why was a woman eligible to be considered ritually clean 40 days after the birth of a son and 80 following the birth of a daughter? There are different theories, so here are a couple of explanations.


http://www.chabad.org/library/artic...l-purity-after-birth-of-males-and-females.htm


http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0312.htm


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...rds-sex-regulations.html#sthash.LFBYXLrr.dpuf

While trying to keep religion off the boards as much as possible, I can't help but think that the good Lord has his days where he looks down and shouts out "Are ya freakin' kidding me right now? That is NOT what I said!!"

:giggle:

 

[Margo/Mom]

If this is Old Testament stuff then life expectancy was less than thirty years old! Not enough time to have 20+ kids. I respect if people believe and want to follow their religion but surely you have to make some exceptions considering its thousands of years later.


MOO!!

Just gotta say, there's a whole lotta stuff people think is in the Bible that ain't quite what they think it is. Old Testament families cover a wide range of coupling patterns with concerns such as sealing political alliances, ensuring that widows had sons to care for them, obtaining property and the like. And while there are numerous civil laws and hygiene practices spelled out, reinterpreting any of this as a moral imperative centered around the one-man-one-woman pattern really takes some major pretzel logic.

 

[human]

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/guatemala/8553/consular/ACSResidenceRequirements20101124.pdf

They have to get a visa to live there. I wonder how ?

 

[Montjoy]

"Cousin Amy" is allegedly distancing herself from the Duggar trainwreck of a family, and looking forward to Law and Order SVU episode inspired by Joshie, former frontman for the hateful 'Family Research Council'.

(Link removed as it is not permitted here -- not familiar with the website, but I suspect it is bloggy. At any rate, it uses Amy's twitter/social media to substantiate its claims.)

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articl...sh-duggar-their-arkansas-home-up-for-sale.htm

19 KIDS AND COUNTING ANNA DUGGAR DIVORCING JOSH DUGGAR - HOME UP FOR SALE

(More at link above...)

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articl...sh-duggar-their-arkansas-home-up-for-sale.htm

19 KIDS AND COUNTING ANNA DUGGAR DIVORCING JOSH DUGGAR - HOME UP FOR SALE

(More at link above...)

Wow. I really thought she would stand by her, erm, "man".

 

[charminglane]

Someone woke up and smelled true reality.

 

[bluesneakers]

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articl...sh-duggar-their-arkansas-home-up-for-sale.htm

19 KIDS AND COUNTING ANNA DUGGAR DIVORCING JOSH DUGGAR - HOME UP FOR SALE

(More at link above...)

Gobsmacked.

 

[MsMarple]

And in other news...

Derick Dillard, husband of Jill Duggar Dillard, has created a firestorm on Instagram after posting a photo in which he says he is “babysitting” his infant son.
...
Among the 905 comments on the post are remarks like this one: “How is that babysitting exactly? He’s your son. Do you think Jill just babysits him too? I bet she doesn’t.”
...
Dillard has since made his Instagram account private.
...
That kind of language is learned, [John Pacini, co-founder of the Dad 2.0 Summit] says. “It was probably modeled by [Dillard’s] father. Often what holds dads back is the behavior of other men,” he says. “This is a cornerstone of the fatherhood movement — helping dads and moms realize that fatherhood is a full-time obligation, responsibility and calling.”

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/jill-duggars-husband-under-fire-for-babysitting-184317868.html

 

[Mrs G Norris]

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articl...sh-duggar-their-arkansas-home-up-for-sale.htm

19 KIDS AND COUNTING ANNA DUGGAR DIVORCING JOSH DUGGAR - HOME UP FOR SALE

(More at link above...)

I predict there is something even worse to hit the news. Good for her though, I thought she'd stick by him too.

 

[honesty]

Tick tock.. I have the same feeling. I'll be waiting for the train wreck to continue

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[daisymae]

me too, honesty

 

[MsFacetious]

I don't see any proof that she is NOT standing by her man?
Just because that house is being sold doesn't mean she is divorcing him
He is in "treatment" for 6 months and she is out of state.
Wouldn't make much financial sense to hold onto a house no one is living in?

Really I want to believe it but I'm having a hard time believing it.
I'll believe the divorce story when I see the divorce papers... filed by Anna. :twocents:

 

[JerseyGirl]

Josh is scheduled to get out of rehab in February 2016. In the meantime, his wife Anna had reportedly already sold their house in Arkansas and has since moved in with her parents in Florida along with their four children. She has announced that she is planning to cut all ties with the Duggar family, and will most likely change to her maiden name. Reports are also coming out that there might be an eventual divorce once Anna has ironed out all of the details for their separation.

http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/dug...ar.comes.forward.against.josh.duggar/5077.htm

 

[MsMarple]

Life after scandal. 19 Kids and Counting alums Jill and Jessa Duggar revealed in a new promo for their upcoming TLC special, Jill & Jessa: Counting On, that they were just as shocked as the rest of the world when their brother Josh Duggar's scandals broke this past year.

The promo, released Sunday, Oct. 18, by the network, shows the sisters reflecting back on the bombshell news. "Here I am, most joyful time in my life — newlywed, baby on the way — and then..." Jessa, 22, recalls. "We were devastated. Like, we couldn't believe it. You have to wonder, like, 'How did this happen?'"

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...er-josh-duggars-scandal-in-tlc-promo-20151910

This is so frustrating; they were like, "devastated" by Josh being, like, unfaithful to his wife but being molested by him was like, what, just boyhood pranks? I guess it's good that, unlike their mother, they don't seem to be blaming Anna for Josh's adultery but then again this was just a promo. Ah well, I'll be skipping this particular special in any case.

The irony here is that the special will probably result in a bigger piece of the TLC money pie than they would have gotten on the old show so Josh's behavior was a win for them in the end. Like, wow.

 

[Frigga]

^^^ Like... disgusting.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Life after scandal. 19 Kids and Counting alums Jill and Jessa Duggar revealed in a new promo for their upcoming TLC special, Jill & Jessa: Counting On, that they were just as shocked as the rest of the world when their brother Josh Duggar's scandals broke this past year.

The promo, released Sunday, Oct. 18, by the network, shows the sisters reflecting back on the bombshell news. "Here I am, most joyful time in my life — newlywed, baby on the way — and then..." Jessa, 22, recalls. "We were devastated. Like, we couldn't believe it. You have to wonder, like, 'How did this happen?'"

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...er-josh-duggars-scandal-in-tlc-promo-20151910

This is so frustrating; they were like, "devastated" by Josh being, like, unfaithful to his wife but being molested by him was like, what, just boyhood pranks? I guess it's good that, unlike their mother, they don't seem to be blaming Anna for Josh's adultery but then again this was just a promo. Ah well, I'll be skipping this particular special in any case.

The irony here is that the special will probably result in a bigger piece of the TLC money pie than they would have gotten on the old show so Josh's behavior was a win for them in the end. Like, wow.

This is a pretty desperate attempt to save their TV careers, but I don't know how interested people are in hearing more Duggar spin and denial.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Following Counting On in December, at least two more specials focused on Jill and Jessa may come in 2016.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/19/jill-jessa-duggar-counting-on-tlc-promo

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Oh please TLC, what could you possibly need to air in December? We will see a very pregnant Jessa and Jill fake-crying. By then, Jessa will have had her baby! I can't imagine this show will be anything of interest to anyone.