JR lies right off the bat...

[JMO8778]

JMO8778,
Absolutely, there has been more than one theory that implicates the Stines, and why would SS go out of her way to assist people, whom for all she knew, may have been involved in the death of their daughter, and to also take the risk of committing criminal acts by using email to impersonate other notable people in Boulder, makes you wonder?


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it sure does! she also tried to pull others over to her and the R's 'side',as if it was a divorce,and they had to choose bet. one side or the other...innocent or guilty.she seemed to want to know who's side everyone was on.why else would she care unless it was strategy on her part,and she had a need to know in order to protect herself and her own best interests.

 

[coloradokares]

It sure is.Seems she was afraid they might want to come in.

could be,and maybe that's one reason they said she was asleep...and also got BR to say she was asleep?
Also remember they stopped by the Stine's on the way home that night;whether anything occured in relation to that,I don't know.I do wonder if JB went in while there though.It seems SS could be lying when she said JB was asleep in the car then?

OH YES,I couldn't agree more ! I think the Stine's were their REAL friends,while upstanding ppl like the White's were ppl they were friendly with,but who didn't really know them...they didn't know what they were really like.Perhaps that was just strategy on the part of the R's??Much the same reason they went to church..they felt a need to align themselves w/ ppl who had a wholesome image,so they themselves would appear to be wholesome as well.
Only that backfired in the end,for precisely the same reason they chose those friends to begin with...because they ARE upstanding,righteous ppl,and the White's didn't let them get away with the obvious charade they saw going on,and called them on it.SO at that point,JR had no other choice but to turn on the righteous friends,and throw them under the bus in order to cause them to appear unrighteous...and they themselves,still righteous.

AMEN To this

 

[UKGuy]

Thanks UKGuy. I haven't read/listened to Meyer's verbal remarks. I'll do a search and see if I can find a transcript on that.

BOESP
It can be found here:
http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm

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January 30, 1997 Search Warrant

Det. Arndt stated to Your Affiant that she was present and observed a visual examination by Dr. Meyer of the shirt worn by the child. She observed and Dr. Meyer preserved dark fibers and dark hair found on the outside of the shirt

Det. Arndt told Your Affiant that she personally observed Dr. John Meyer examine the vaginal and pubic areas of the deceased, Dr. Meyer stated that he observed numerous traces of a dark fiber.

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she witnessed the autopsy of JonBenet Ramsey which was conducted by Dr. John Meyer on December 26, 1996. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury consistent with digital penetration of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that is was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact.

Sexual contact is not the same as an acute injury inflicted by a paintbrush handle. Which he knows was more than likely used since he refers to birefringent foreign material on the eroded surface of her hymen.


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[Albert18]

There are a lot of beds in that house, it doesn't mean there is a monster under every bed.

Was this a group molestation of JonBenet? Were the Whites involved in this? Was a decision made at the gathering on the 23rd or the 25th to kill JonBenet? Are we talking premeditation now? The Ramsey's and other families are involved?

 

[UKGuy]

There are a lot of beds in that house, it doesn't mean there is a monster under every bed.

Was this a group molestation of JonBenet? Were the Whites involved in this? Was a decision made at the gathering on the 23rd or the 25th to kill JonBenet? Are we talking premeditation now? The Ramsey's and other families are involved?

Albert18,

You can roll your own conspiracy theory here. Fleet White has been implicated wrongly in my opinion, as have other participants.

I'm not suggesting there was premeditation, but who really knows, but what ever occurred at the gathering on the 23rd may have been a catalyst leading to the death of JonBenet.

That is there may have been a dawning realization that JonBenet not only wanted to talk but was very likely to, this may have increased the pressure upon whomever was abusing JonBenet, and although I would guess everyone involved would have wished for a peaceful compromise, one that Patsy's little advice and talk session was maybe intended to engender, but with the cat sliding out of the bag, and possibly some salient conversation at one of the stop off points whilst delivering the gifts, the stakes were raised.

The silence regarding the possible sexual molestation of JonBenet was deafening after her death and continues to the present.

The Ramsey's and other families are involved?

Yes this is possible search the forum under username BlueCrab, he has an interesting theory that includes another family.

Other people think other families were involved particularly those at a managerial level within Boulder, which might explain the legal mess that allows JonBenet's case to stand-still, or that JR made telephone calls for advice on the morning prior to the 911 call, thus setting up all the elements in what became a contaminated crime-scene, and fast-tracked his legal team onto the streets interviewing people?

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[Ames]

I certainly hope she was unconcious during the paintbrush injury.I wonder who screamed and why,if a scream was really was heard.I tend to think it was.I just wonder if it could have came from anywhere else in the house.

I believe that the scream came from Patsy....when she realized what she had done.

Remember the neighbor that supposedly heard the scream, said that it was a child's scream..and then she later changed her story, to maybe she didn't hear anything at all....that it could have just been "negative energy"....SOOOO..if she doesn't know if she heard a scream or not...is it possible that she could be mistaken too, if in fact she heard the scream...and thought that it was a child's?

 

[Ames]

Regarding the 911 call on the 23rd, it really could just be a mistake.

From what I have read, the Ramsey's did not have a typical residential phone system, the system was like what a business would have. You have to remember this would have been early 1990's or earlier technology.

I believe you had to dial a number to access an outside line. Usually that number is a 9. If somebody is making a long distance phone call, the next number dialed is a 1. Right there you have 91.

If I am not mistaken...I could have sworn that I read that a friend (I am thinking that it was Fleet White, for some reason)...had said that he is the one that made the 911 call by mistake, he had said that he was trying to call 411 for information.

 

[Toltec]

If I am not mistaken...I could have sworn that I read that a friend (I am thinking that it was Fleet White, for some reason)...had said that he is the one that made the 911 call by mistake, he had said that he was trying to call 411 for information.

It was Fleet White wo accidently dialed 911...he was on the phone making an international call to check on his mothers medications delivery at Denver International. The Whites were going to Aspen that night to visit his ailing Mother.

 

[Ames]

There are a lot of beds in that house, it doesn't mean there is a monster under every bed.

Was this a group molestation of JonBenet? Were the Whites involved in this? Was a decision made at the gathering on the 23rd or the 25th to kill JonBenet? Are we talking premeditation now? The Ramsey's and other families are involved?

Albert...now you are just gong to LOVE this..
There is an IDI on another board, that shall remain nameless...that thinks that Patsy let in a group of pedophiles, on purpose....to let them molest JB, while she (Patsy) slept on the couch. Patsy heard JB scream...and she jumped up from her slumber, and ran to the stairs leading to the basement, only to be stopped by one of the pedophile people.....she was then told that there had been a terrible accident while the molestation was going on, and then she instinctively knew that JB was dead. AND THEN.....this gets even better.....the group of pedophiles FORCED Patsy to write the RN....(for what reason, I have NO idea). So, Patsy doesn't tell John or the police about this, because she knew that she would be arrested for letting those pedophiles in their home, in the first place.

Is THAT not the most ridiculous theory that you have ever heard? At least I had a good laugh...I actually fell out of my chair laughing, with tears in my eyes. My kids thought that I had lost my mind....

 

[Ames]

It was Fleet White wo accidently dialed 911...he was on the phone making an international call to check on his mothers medications delivery at Denver International. The Whites were going to Aspen that night to visit his ailing Mother.

Thank you! I knew that I had remembered him dialing it by mistake.

 

[JMO8778]

Thank you! I knew that I had remembered him dialing it by mistake.

is that for sure though? b/c I thought Fleet had said he was sure he didn't do that,and in fact his mother was somewhere else,correct me if I'm wrong someone,thx.

 

[DeeDee249]

I thought the Whites had they parents with them for the Holiday.

 

[icedtea4me]

Albert...now you are just gong to LOVE this..
There is an IDI on another board, that shall remain nameless...that thinks that Patsy let in a group of pedophiles, on purpose....to let them molest JB, while she (Patsy) slept on the couch. Patsy heard JB scream...and she jumped up from her slumber, and ran to the stairs leading to the basement, only to be stopped by one of the pedophile people.....she was then told that there had been a terrible accident while the molestation was going on, and then she instinctively knew that JB was dead. AND THEN.....this gets even better.....the group of pedophiles FORCED Patsy to write the RN....(for what reason, I have NO idea). So, Patsy doesn't tell John or the police about this, because she knew that she would be arrested for letting those pedophiles in their home, in the first place.

Is THAT not the most ridiculous theory that you have ever heard? At least I had a good laugh...I actually fell out of my chair laughing, with tears in my eyes. My kids thought that I had lost my mind....

Ya mean you don't find this theory plausible? I.am.speechless.


-Tea

 

[icedtea4me]

I thought the Whites had they parents with them for the Holiday.

I'm pretty sure Priscilla's parents were there. Fleet's mother was at a hospital in Aspen.


-Tea

 

[Ames]

Ya mean you don't find this theory plausible? I.am.speechless.


-Tea

LOL..nope, but it would almost make a good comedy, if it wasn't so sad. Imagine a mother letting a group...not one, not two, not even three...but a whole group of pedophiles into her home, just so they could molest her child....all the while her husband and son slept.....oh, and while SHE slept on the couch. And she must have said to them....Okay, you guys...you can come in and do this, but just don't kill her, or hurt her....you hear?? Gosh, imagine Patsy's shock when she heard JB's scream.....after she had told them not to harm her....or kill her or anything. You know...those darn pedophiles just don't listen.....

 

[JMO8778]

LOL Ames...sounds like someone sure is desperate to get PR off the hook...I wonder if Aunt Pammy could come up w/ anything so stupid?! It wouldn't surprise me.
And what would PR have to gain from letting pedo's into her home? Did the poster say?

 

[Ames]

LOL Ames...sounds like someone sure is desperate to get PR off the hook...I wonder if Aunt Pammy could come up w/ anything so stupid?! It wouldn't surprise me.
And what would PR have to gain from letting pedo's into her home? Did the poster say?

Nope, funny how I never got that out of him, I asked the same exact question. OHHHHHH....I almost forgot ......he also said that the pineapple that JB ate was laced with drugs.....(If he had of researched this, he would have read that NO drugs were found in her system)....and the drugs knocked her out....so that she could be molested....all the while, one of them sat and had a glass of tea, and waited for her to eat the laced pineapple. (I guess that Patsy helped one of the pedophiles mash up the drugs and hide them in the pineapple bowl, how sweet of her).