Jr's custody issue arising from Ron's arrest

[Donjeta]

It would rather pointless to discuss the case at all until the trial if we couldn't say anything about who we think might have done it before we are aware of all the evidence.

Regarding custody, I hope Jr. and Crystal are getting all the support they need. He's gone through too much for a five year old already and needs stability from now on.

I don't know if I trust DCF investigations very much since they saw no reason to remove the children from a household where the adults make their living dealing drugs although the drug question was hovering in the air long before this arrest came up.

 

[Emeralgem]

There are a lot of drug dealers who are not murderers. There is not a bit of evidence proving who took Haleigh. When the evidence is released by someone of a official capacity like a Pros or LE then we will know who is responsible. Until then it is all assumption from people who are just making ASSUMPTIONS. People who have theorys that are unproven. People who know no more then what all of us have read in the papers or heard from LE.
Many are hopeful that it was Ron and Misty but first there has to be evidence and so far we haven't been informed about any. Hope on.

Your're right and could very well be reason is, she was NEVER took anywhere, not alive anyways..JMO

And in reference to myself.. I find absolutely no reason to "hope on" as you say when it comes down to wanting a father, his, girlfriend, or his family to be guilty of covering up what really happened to an innocent child..

IMHO.. It's a sickening thought..My ONLY hope is justice is served to those who are responsible for dishonoring her memory by covering up the truth...JMO

I suggest they ALL wake up, tell the truth, and strengthen the things that remain...JMO

 

[bessie]

Your're right and could very well be reason is, she was NEVER took anywhere, not alive anyways..JMO

And in reference to myself.. I find absolutely no reason to "hope on" as you say when it comes down to wanting a father, his, girlfriend, or his family to be guilty of covering up what really happened to an innocent child..

IMHO.. It's a sickening thought..My ONLY hope is justice is served to those who are responsible for dishonoring her memory by covering up the truth...JMO
I suggest they ALL wake up, tell the truth, and strengthen the things that remain...JMO

:clap::clap: Sometimes "thanks" just isn't enough.

Bobbisangel: For the record, Mark Klaas did not reside in the same house as Polly at the time of her abduction. He and his wife were divorced, and she had remarried. But I get your point. In most cases I would agree, but when the child is in the custody of a parent with a criminal history; and that parent leaves the child in the care of a live in gf who uses/sells drugs and surrounds herself with others who do likewise; and we are told said gf was the last known person to see the child alive; who do you suggest we look at? The milkman?

 

[Trident]

:clap::clap: Sometimes "thanks" just isn't enough.

Bobbisangel: For the record, Mark Klaas did not reside in the same house as Polly at the time of her abduction. He and his wife were divorced, and she had remarried. But I get your point. In most cases I would agree, but when the child is in the custody of a parent with a criminal history; and that parent leaves the child in the care of a live in gf who uses/sells drugs and surrounds herself with others who do likewise; and we are told said gf was the last known person to see the child alive; who do you suggest we look at? The milkman?

And let's not forget the LIES and SHIFTING STORIES told by both RC and MC after Haleigh went missing. Most innocent families of missing children don't lie - they have no need to.

My opinion only

 

[lil momma]

It would rather pointless to discuss the case at all until the trial if we couldn't say anything about who we think might have done it before we are aware of all the evidence.

Regarding custody, I hope Jr. and Crystal are getting all the support they need. He's gone through too much for a five year old already and needs stability from now on.

I don't know if I trust DCF investigations very much since they saw no reason to remove the children from a household where the adults make their living dealing drugs although the drug question was hovering in the air long before this arrest came up.

BBM

ITA Donjeta!

as far as DCF in Florida... I lost confidence in them a long time ago. Too many children being killed and lost within the system, not enough social workers, and the ones that they have are NOT doing thier jobs.

It sickens me to death.....

I jsut hope with these arrests comes the TRUTH about what happened to HaLeigh.

 

[Patty G]

BBM

ITA Donjeta!

as far as DCF in Florida... I lost confidence in them a long time ago. Too many children being killed

How could DCF control the children that are being killed in Florida?

 

[Concerned Papa]

How could DCF control the children that are being killed in Florida?

Good Morning Patty, if you're not familiar with the case of Rilya Wilson from south Florida, here's a link to a sad story involving what many believe was a failure of DCF to protect this little girl.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/rilya-wilson-s-caregiver-nears-trial-on-murder-183304.html

Doing their job in EVERY instance of a child being abused in any sense would be a start on controlling the sickening number of our children that are killed.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

Shortly after the father of missing Satsuma, Fla. girl HaLeigh Cummings was arrested on drug charges, her mother, Crystal Sheffield was given full custody of her little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr.

wonder where TJ got that from


http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6186823.php

 

[Blaise]

Was Crystal required to take a drug test on the day of this hearing?

Blaise

 

[Whisperer]

Why should Crystal take a drug test? She should not have to...she is the parent. The other parent is incarcerated. Unless Crystal is incarcerated or in a hospital herself, custody goes to the remaining parent.

Pretty obvious RC was never required to take a drug test. I have now seen two pics of him while having custody with his eyes dilated.

I think by full custody, TJ meant sole custody, which is accurate.

 

[Trident]

Why should Crystal take a drug test? She should not have to...she is the parent. The other parent is incarcerated. Unless Crystal is incarcerated or in a hospital herself, custody goes to the remaining parent.

Pretty obvious RC was never required to take a drug test. I have now seen two pics of him while having custody with his eyes dilated.

I think by full custody, TJ meant sole custody, which is accurate.

When my son and his girl friend went to court over child custody, they were both taken to DYFS (NJ child welfare) and given a drug test on the spot. This might be a different matter though since there wasn't any contest over custody.

At any rate, I'm so glad Crystal has Jr, and RC is in jail where all drug dealers belong.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here, it just seems that many are under the assumption that Crystal lost custody to Ronald..which I thought was not the case. Was it not really by default because she didn't show up? Regardless of what one believes the reason for her missing that court date was...whether court had wrong address, she didn't get out of bed..even if one believed that it was not a priority for her (I don't believe that, I'm just sayin..)..even if Ron claimed she was using drugs or visa-versa, that does not make it a fact for either one, since she was not there to dispute anything.. The Court found in Ronald's favor because of that, no?
I guess my point is no matter how you twist it, I can't see a thing to suggest that the court found that Crystal should not have custody of her children for any other reason besides she didn't show up for court.

Also, afaik their has not been a complaint filed with DCF against Crystal, has there? Just because the chatter was for awhile about her drug use on the internet, I can't imagine that DCF would just swoop down and demand trug tests from her. Can you imagine if it was that easy? That would be very scary, imo. I think another misconception is that DCF would automatically remove a child from the custody of a parent just because of a single positive drug test.

I wish everyone would take a minute and look around them at their own family and friends. What if DCF or DSS (whatever it's called in your state) removed every child whose parent(s) had a + test. We would have nowhere to put these children and if we did, what in the world would that do to them in the long run? Most of these parents are not unfit parents, many are very good parents, that sadly have gotten sucked in to substance abuse problems. It's awful, but the sad reality is that substance abuse is of epidemic proportions, I believe. If it's anything like here in SC, you have to try and do everything possible to keep children with their parents UNLESS of course they are in danger, then that's a whole 'nother ballgame. The End...moo

 

[Leila]

Mom Gets Custody Of Haleigh's Brother
POSTED: Friday, January 22, 2010
UPDATED: 3:20 pm EST January 22, 2010
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An emergency hearing was held in Palatka on Thursday over who should get custody of Ronald Cummings Jr. after his father was arrested on drug charges.

Crystal Sheffield, whose daughter Haleigh Cummings has been missing since February, was awarded custody of her son. :clap:

Sheffield was to pick up her son Friday afternoon.

Article:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22315918/detail.html

:angel:

I'm glad to hear this news! It's about time! From the beginning, I've felt that junior needed to be removed from RC's custody.

 

[kiki the parrot]

when the child is in the custody of a parent with a criminal history; and that parent leaves the child in the care of a live in gf who uses/sells drugs and surrounds herself with others who do likewise; and we are told said gf was the last known person to see the child alive; who do you suggest we look at? The milkman?

And let's not forget the LIES and SHIFTING STORIES told by both RC and MC after Haleigh went missing. Most innocent families of missing children don't lie - they have no need to.

(snip) Agree! Because a majority of people have taken their cues from LE means they've had no "hope" for anything in this entire tragic unfolding of events other than the truth might finally prevail. (bump, bbm)

LE has not characterized this as a stranger abduction for some time but rather, after first ruling out a long list of RSO's, other peripheral people, and exhausting every possible angle, has had their focus on family and inner circle in this investigation. The PCSO Press Release (by Lt Johnny Greenwood) on Haleigh&#8217;s 6th birthday which details their efforts makes this very plain, and does not characterize this as a stranger abduction.

"Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff&#8217;s Office, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and investigators from agencies throughout Florida have invested thousands of man-hours into the investigation thus far.

Here are some of the facts:

* We have received in excess of 4,000 leads, all of which have been followed up.
* We have conducted 138 formal interviews and several hundred informal interviews with potential witnesses. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
* FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE&#8217;s crime lab for analysis (ie. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
* We have searched thousands of acres, including all property south of Highway 17 near the Cummings residence.
* We have had numerous underwater recovery and search teams search all of the water near the area of the disappearance.
* Aviation assets have conducted several airborne searches.
* K9 assets have searched the area on several occasions.
* Volunteer civilian searchers on foot and horseback searched the wooded areas near the residence.

At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh&#8217;s disappearance is the work of a stranger."

In this most recent update Lt Greenwood also stated Misty "continues to hold important answers," that she's "failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting" of the hours during late evening and early morning of Haleigh&#8217;s disappearance, and "physical evidence" at the scene contradicts her "sketchy account" of her evening activities.

To summarize, the most recent indication LE's given is that, w the combined resources and manpower of PCSO, FDLE and FBI, having followed now in excess of 4,000 leads, 138 formal interviews (plus hundreds more informal witness interviews), dna samples, lab analyses, fingerprints, phone records, both LE's, and TES' searches of thousands of acres including K9, horseback, underwater, aviation searches and w/e else hasn't been disclosed to the public, it's led LE to NOT characterize this as a stranger abduction. So once again, on the wild assumption LE may have a fact or two that I don't, I take my cues from them.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5022713.php?

arrot:

 

[LaLaw2000]

I am so thankful that Jr. is with his Mom!

* I really hope that NG will keep her mouth shut where Crystal is concerned except for an apology for having treated her like carp on her show.

 

[Whisperer]

PD...RC won custody by default....

 

[Whisperer]

Pondering...you are correct. Rc gained custody by default.

.........common tactic used by knowledgeable people in court matters:

If you notice he made jr appt for the doctor on the date CS had for the re-hearing. Then he blamed her for jr not going when the judge asked him why jr had not been to the doctor since the request was made in September..

 

[Patty G]

IIRC, there were a couple of court hearings back in 2005. The first hearing when Crystal didn't receive notification of the hearing, the Judge gave Ron custody of the children.

However, there was another hearing late December 2005 (I believe) where Crystal did have an opportunity to discuss with the Judge everything that had happened back and forth between Ron and Crystal. At that time, Crystal was not working and did not have a driver license in order to go out and look for work so she could care for her children. This is when Ron received custody of the children. By no means did Ron receive custody at the last hearing by default.

For me personally, I am so happy that Crystal was able to have her son via the emergency custody hearing on Thursday.

I read all the court documents from years back and what was said and what wasn't said. I think about the years Crystal was with Ron and what may have happened to her during her very vulnerable teen years.

I am sure Crystal was concerned about whether her son was in the car during the "road rage" incident and whether or not Ron Jr. was with Ron and Misty during the drug deals.

I am also thinking that now Crystal doesn't have to make the drive to Satsuma to pick up her son, all while feeling stressed and dealing with anxiety and wondering if the exchange of Ron Jr. will go smoothly or not. This has to be a huge weight lifted off her shoulders.

It is now 2010, and five years have passed since all these court hearings along with 5 years of maturity for Crystal. Crystal has gone through more growing up in this past year then most adults in her age bracket. Crystal's daughter is missing and she must carry a pain that no one could even imagine unless their own child went missing and never found.

I know I would never do at 25, what I did when I was 18. Heck, I wouldn't do what I did at 50 at my current age. :waitasec:

We never got to see Crystal's life 5 years ago played out in the media, like we are seeing Misty's life with Ron in the media. You can almost see what life might have been like for Crystal years ago under the wings of Ron. (Always IMO).

 

[Indiana at Heart]

IIRC, there were a couple of court hearings back in 2005. The first hearing when Crystal didn't receive notification of the hearing, the Judge gave Ron custody of the children.

However, there was another hearing late December 2005 (I believe) where Crystal did have an opportunity to discuss with the Judge everything that had happened back and forth between Ron and Crystal. At that time, Crystal was not working and did not have a driver license in order to go out and look for work so she could care for her children. This is when Ron received custody of the children. By no means did Ron receive custody at the last hearing by default.

For me personally, I am so happy that Crystal was able to have her son via the emergency custody hearing on Thursday.

I read all the court documents from years back and what was said and what wasn't said. I think about the years Crystal was with Ron and what may have happened to her during her very vulnerable teen years.

I am sure Crystal was concerned about whether her son was in the car during the "road rage" incident and whether or not Ron Jr. was with Ron and Misty during the drug deals.

I am also thinking that now Crystal doesn't have to make the drive to Satsuma to pick up her son, all while feeling stressed and dealing with anxiety and wondering if the exchange of Ron Jr. will go smoothly or not. This has to be a huge weight lifted off her shoulders.

It is now 2010, and five years have passed since all these court hearings along with 5 years of maturity for Crystal. Crystal has gone through more growing up in this past year then most adults in her age bracket. Crystal's daughter is missing and she must carry a pain that no one could even imagine unless their own child went missing and never found.

I know I would never do at 25, what I did when I was 18. Heck, I wouldn't do what I did at 50 at my current age. :waitasec:

We never got to see Crystal's life 5 years ago played out in the media, like we are seeing Misty's life with Ron in the media. You can almost see what life might have been like for Crystal years ago under the wings of Ron. (Always IMO).

Patty this one needed more then a Thanks!!:woohoo:

 

[Whisperer]

Ron received custody in early December by default. The next day when CS learned, she notified the court and a re-hearing was set for both of them in late December. The judge found cause for a re-hearing due to the address issue. The judge also did not change his original decision which was giving rc primary custody. In retrospect, a fatal decision.