Jr's custody issue arising from Ron's arrest

[RJA00]

Why do you suggest supervised visits RJA00? Do you think that Jr. is in some kind of danger from his grandmothers or that they might refuse to return him as agreed?

I dont suggest supervised. but that will be crystal choice.

they are still his grandmothers no matter what the parents did or didnt do.

 

[OneLostGrl]

This has gone on long enough: If Chloe had been born addicted, the hospital being aware of it, Crystal would have been prosecuted. She has no charges against her for this, save that of her attorney, whose goal was to discredit her former client in any way possible.

If there is a charge against Crystal for Chloe being born addicted, or even with narcotics in her system, show me the court charge against her for child abuse.

They don't always press charges, debs. Girl in my neighborhood had twins born with drugs in their system, they let her take them to a family members with no drug history (there is a history but DCF doesn't know it because there's no arrests) house and then after 60 days they tested her and she was clean, they let her take 'em home. The baby boy is on his second broken leg and still nobody has been charged and nobody has been removed!

 

[Whisperer]

Thank you debs. You words were concise and right on target. This has been gone on way too long.

Crystal admitted she did drugs in her life time. Did rc? Crystal has never been charges, arrested or convicted by any LE, judge or DFS.

Not once have any of the people who are so quick to condemn her for drugs and/or not going to some appts EVEN considered she may have had post partum depression or a reasonable fact similar to it. This woman gets no break. As much as I like NG, I was furious and let her have it on the way she portrayed CS.

 

[Whisperer]

They don't always press charges, debs. Girl in my neighborhood had twins born with drugs in their system, they let her take them to a family members with no drug history (there is a history but DCF doesn't know it because there's no arrests) house and then after 60 days they tested her and she was clean, they let her take 'em home. The baby boy is on his second broken leg and still nobody has been charged and nobody has been removed!

If SS were in charge and that is what the poster indicated and said the info was from KP....you can bet your Bippy that there would have been charges filed.

 

[Emeralgem]

Did KP state the baby was born addicted or did she say Crystal's baby was born with drugs in her system? No way am I taking up for KP, but is it possible she carefully chose her wording about Crystal and the baby when responding to the bar?

I don't know the circumstances under which Crystal gave birth to Chloe, but IF she had a c- section she was given drugs.Those drugs would also be found in Chloe's little body.. If she was given an injection or pain meds in an IV for pain during labor that medicine would also be found in Chloe's body...
To my knowledge KP never stated the name of anyspecific drug found in Chloe's body, IF there were drugs...
Perhaps, KP knew Crystal was given pain medication when she gave birth to Chloe and used that against her...Perhaps, KP didn't lie she just conveniently failed to mention the whole truth...JMO

 

[Whisperer]

That's exactly the way Attorneys play their game.

 

[Whisperer]

She is a drug addict. Drug addicts, alcoholics and other people with addiction issues are never "model parents." With addicts, what comes first is the drug of choice. That doesn't mean an addict doesn't love his or her children or want to have custody or try to care for them. It means that their priorities are focused on their addiction.

The judge did the right thing ti grant Crystal a rehearing. If there was any chance that she missed the hearing because of a paperwork problem of some sort, she deserved a shot at getting her kids back. The attorney, of course, was filing a document that served her own needs. But she is an officer of the court and is obliged to tell the truth in such a sworn statement. If she says Crystal is an addict and Crystal's father says she's an addict, that is convincing to me.

I still don't see the point of minimizing Crystal's problems. I don't know her personally, so I of course have to go by what is in the media. By all accounts, she has a drug problem. Many parents do have problems with drugs and alcohol and their children suffer accordingly. It doesn't help Crystal to minimize or deny that her addiction impacts her ability to care for her kids. Addiction also doesn't mean, necessarily, that a parent should lose custody. Many addicts get help and get clean. But if kids are at risk in a house with a father and stepmother involved with selling and taking drugs, they are at risk when their mother does drugs too--because she has to "deal" with dealers to get them. Again, my hope is that she, unlike Ron, will get help, get clean, and make a good home for her children.

You say and say it very clear:

1. . Crystal is a drug addict. It is a strong statement because you chose to open up your entire arguement based on those words. Exactly what brought you to that conclusion and opening remark? All I know is Crystal admitted she has done drugs. Do you have another reason to be so harsh?

2...By all accounts, she HAS a drug problem. What are you basing this on? You added or suggested she is not able to care for her children.

3. ....You don't see the point in minimizing her problems....and that has been made very clear, since it was the substance of the post.

..............What was the thinking when rc was the custodian and assaulting people, sleeping with 16 yr. olds and threatening to kill people? And I haven't even touched on drugs with him.

By your post, It appears that you certainly do not want to entertain the thought of Crystal being a good mother. ...I got it.

All these harmful statements were based on KP because she is an officer of the court......I would never get in line with an attorney justbecause he is also an officer of the court. For the record, attorneys do what ever it takes to win and that includes twisting around, circumventing and rearranging the truth.

 

[Whisperer]

What ron has done to jr will affect him forever; jr's complete personality has been formed as that develops by the age of four.

.....God bless the little guy. He needs all the help available and he also needs our prayers as it is going to be a very rough road for him due to his upbringing/environment.

 

[Patty G]

When will we ever get passed the year 2005? All I can think of is one day Ron Jr. doing a google and up pops all this "junk" concerning something that he never would have even known if his sister never went missing.

When will we ever begin to forgive someone for what they did do in their youth and commend them for what they are doing now?

It's such an awful feeling to be constantly branded with something that happened 5 years ago and continue to rub it in forever.

My mother used to always remind her children of what they did wrong all the time. It never, ever ended. I swore if I ever had children, I would address the issue and I would never bring it up again.

Can we move into 2010?

 

[Patty G]

All these harmful statements were based on KP because she is an officer of the court......I would never get in line with an attorney just because he is also an officer of the court. For the record, attorneys do what ever it takes to win and that includes twisting around, circumventing and rearranging the truth.

Yupper ...

 

[Boytwnmom]

complain much. She is very passive and accepting and always seemed like she didn't expect very much which would not be surprising given her life with RC. I always remember how RC would make her pick up the kids at fast food restaurants because he didn't want her to know where they lived. Maybe he didn't want her to see HOW they lived. Plus, it seemed to be more about control than anything. I do hope CS has gotten some counseling help to deal with Haleigh and I hope she is finding her voice and standing up for herself and her children. It was great to see her right in court getting the job done and not running to the media like some people do. She seems like she has her priorities straight to me.

Check Putnam County Clerk of Court dockets. Ron was picked up for this very thing in June.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/view_doc.php?instr=542009CF001105XXAXMX

 

[lonetraveler]

Ron C has blatantly paraded his drug abuse in front of the cameras and in the public eye for almost a year now... Shame on DCF for choosing to ignore it...JMO

ITA and just wanted to add:

And for ignoring Ron’s assault and burglary charges, dead rat in the mailbox to intimidate and threaten a witness, putting a gun barrel in his mouth and talking about killing other people before killing himself, talking about blowing Misty’s brains out of the back of her head, road rage running someone off of the road and those are just the ones we know about. It appears the DCF selectively investigated during the entire last year. And that is my opinon.

 

[Whisperer]

Sorry Patty G... Hard to resist replying when CS is called out. I should know better.

 

[lonetraveler]

What ron has done to jr will affect him forever; jr's complete personality has been formed as that develops by the age of four.

.....God bless the little guy. He needs all the help available and he also needs our prayers as it is going to be a very rough road for him due to his upbringing/environment.

Is Jr. still going to a counselor? Crystal is the reason that Jr. finally had professional help to deal with his sister disappearing from his life.

 

[Boytwnmom]

Neither parent had been deemed unfit and the children were not put in foster care nor taken from one of them because of abuse or neglect. The state has no basis for invovlement of that type. CS is the mother and has had unsupervised visitation.

Perhaps if the court had thoroughly investigated RC and his many drug charges during the intitial custoday determination the ensuing tragedy could have been averted.

My opinion

I hope the state of Florida treats this has a 90 day trial home placement as they do here in tn when foster kids go home. unannounced vists durning the 90 day trial, everybody given a drug test under 18


that means everybody in the home is checked out. for Jr sakes I hope that is done
If things need to be changed they are given a plan to work on

I am just thinking about jr, he has been through a enough and deserves the best home life

to add
I hope jr has a casa worker and a guardian litem

 

[Pondering Mind]

When will we ever get passed the year 2005? All I can think of is one day Ron Jr. doing a google and up pops all this "junk" concerning something that he never would have even known if his sister never went missing.

When will we ever begin to forgive someone for what they did do in their youth and commend them for what they are doing now?

It's such an awful feeling to be constantly branded with something that happened 5 years ago and continue to rub it in forever.

My mother used to always remind her children of what they did wrong all the time. It never, ever ended. I swore if I ever had children, I would address the issue and I would never bring it up again.

Can we move into 2010?

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:




THANK YOU SO MUCH Patty! ther_beatingA_Dead




The truth is IMHO that no matter what Crystal did, didn't do, does or will do it's never going to be good enough for some..N E V E R...that's just the way it is sometimes in RL.

You and I know that, since it sounds like we grew up with the same mother, lol! Although my mother has never come right out and said it..(truthfully, I don't know if she even realizes it).. .but it's painfully obvious that she blames me for her's and my dad's divorce over 30 yrs ago! I got pregnant and 'had' to get married @ 15 yo (almost 16 :crazy and told to move away ..adoption, abortion being the only other alternatives according to her, sooo... I have no doubt it was a tough time for them, wasn't exactly a picnic for me either..but I wasn't responsible for their divorce..it was a long time coming, she just can not admit that though.. Sorry for going so far OT..


One more thing, it just seems too, that some of the same people that gave Ron such benefit of doubt at every turn are the same ones that are willing to give Crystal none, nada, nill. I'm just not understanding that at all. :snooty:.. jmho though..,

 

[Pondering Mind]

This has gone on long enough: If Chloe had been born addicted, the hospital being aware of it, Crystal would have been prosecuted. She has no charges against her for this, save that of her attorney, whose goal was to discredit her former client in any way possible.

If there is a charge against Crystal for Chloe being born addicted, or even with narcotics in her system, show me the court charge against her for child abuse.

Yep, If the hospital had been aware that was the case, Crystal would have never been allowed to leave he hospital with Chloe. My last case as a Guardian ad Litem was very similar. It involved both parents, a newborn baby girl and 3 other children under the age of 8. They had no history w/DSS and had lived in this area all their life, so that kind of surprised me that we could be @ the point that we were with no history. As so many do, they had just managed to fly under the radar

Parents and some family arrived @ the hospital w/mom in labor. She was 2 weeks early and of course had not followed Dr instructions concerning prenatal care as well as her hepatitis among other health issues. Hospital staff stated that their behavior was erratic and that dad was nodding of at times. They were so concerned that before the baby was ever born LE and DSS had been contacted. Mom, dad and baby girl tested + for drugs. In less than 36 hrs DSS had located and arranged for a foster mom to come pick up the baby in the middle of the night where she was given instructions for the baby, who was doing well, but definitely required constant monitoring. LE then escorted foster mom to her car.

In the meantime LE was trying to locate the other 3 children, as the parents and grandparents were trying to keep their location a secret. They were found @ families later that night..removed from there and placed with aunt and uncle (children's father's brother and his wife) who were the only ones in the immediate family with no drug problems or record. One of these 2 children tested + for marijuana and 1 tested + for cocaine @ much higher levels than the baby. I was told by specialist that the cocaine was either on a surface, touched and put in his mouth, but most likely inhaled :furious: from being in a room with crack smokers.

Much more to this sad story of course, but I've rambled enough..(sorry)

btw~They still do not have custody of the children and children are doing well. Mom spent a year in prison, dad..a suspended sentence.

 

[Whisperer]

I suspect that is one reason why Crystal was low key about the kids with rc. She had told the court. They didn't listen. If she took matters in to her own hands, who is to say what could have happened. I think I understand Crystal and why she did what she did about rc and custody. She knew what she was dealing with. No one else does. It didn't look pretty from where I am. I think she was afraid to rattle his cage.

 

[Gotarugrat]

Have there been any public statements from CS's camp regarding her getting custody? How about the arrests of RC, MC and gang?

Why not?

 

[ladonna]

Have there been any public statements from CS's camp regarding her getting custody? How about the arrests of RC, MC and gang?

Why not?

No public statements, but I did hear from Marie privately. They are keeping a low profile waiting to see what's next. They are delighted that Junior is with them.