Judge Orders Bush Administration to Resume Paying for Katrina Housing

  • #161
natasha-cupcake said:
I agree completely. I've worked with the poverty stricken most of my adult life and those of us with means have no idea of the hurdles these people face. Fraud is real, but no where near as prevalent as many believe.

I believe you, especially now with welfare loopholes more closed and lowering of funds in general over the past years.

Fraud has been everywhere the past few years, unfortunately, in major, gazillion dollar ways, and it doesn't involve the poor, uneducated or needy.
 
  • #162
windovervocalcords said:
Gonzo would understand my post. This is not spin. It is sarcasm.
apologies, I read that and post about the trailer people going tolive under a bridge and misunderstood you
 
  • #163
windovervocalcords said:
Gonzo would understand my post. This is not spin. It is sarcasm.

also could be called hyperbole, or exaggeration to make a point. ;)
 
  • #164
Marthatex said:
also could be called hyperbole, or exaggeration to make a point. ;)
It's a writer's device I'm learning in class, lol.
 
  • #165
czechmate7 said:
Am I the only one who didn't know what that meant????:loser:

Maybe you're much younger than I. It may be an old term. Maybe orignating from England; many in England did/do now "live on the dole". (unemployment, welfare, disability, charity payments, etc.)
 
  • #166
windovervocalcords said:
It's a writer's device I'm learning in class, lol.

Well, we writers are in "a class by ourselves", ain't we? :rolleyes:
 
  • #167
czechmate7 said:
Am I the only one who didn't know what that meant????:loser:

Yep (though since this is your only fault, I think "loser" is rather harsh).

I believe "dole" in this case is an archaic form of "deal," as in "live on what one is dealt (by the government)."
 
  • #168
Nova said:
Yep (though since this is your only fault, I think "loser" is rather harsh).

I believe "dole" in this case is an archaic form of "deal," as in "live on what one is dealt (by the government)."
In the UK unemployment benefit is called 'the dole'. Probably comes from 'doling out' meaning handing out.

In that case, "welfare" includes unemployment benefits....some still consider it welfare.
 
  • #169
"dole" is an archaic derivative from Latin and/or French...my personal favorite is "living on the pogey" as in "I couldn't afford these fish 'n chips if I weren't..." (one could substitute "bangers and mash" for the "fish and chips") ... that goes without saying, of course.
 
  • #170
czechmate7 said:
St Charles Ave is in Uptown New Orleans.
St. Charles borders the French Quarter as well. It runs parallel, more or less, to the Mississippi river. It goes past Tulane, Audubon Park, Loyola University, through the garden district. It ends at Canal street. The St. Charles streetcar line is still not open.
 
  • #171
Marthatex said:
Maybe you're much younger than I. It may be an old term. Maybe orignating from England; many in England did/do now "live on the dole". (unemployment, welfare, disability, charity payments, etc.)
:chicken: Yes, I must be the spring chickie here....but I'm coming up on 40 so that must mean everyone else are old fogies:D .

Wind,Nova (anyone else who would care to jump in), all "debating" :blowkiss: aside, what do you feel is a reasonable "solution" as far as FEMA goes? Ok, funding doesn't stop in Feb 2007....now what? What are the next steps?
 
  • #172
czechmate7 said:
:chicken: Yes, I must be the spring chickie here....but I'm coming up on 40 so that must mean everyone else are old fogies:D .

Wind,Nova (anyone else who would care to jump in), all "debating" :blowkiss: aside, what do you feel is a reasonable "situation" as far as FEMA goes? Ok, funding doesn't stop in Feb 2007....now what? What are the next steps?
Assessment. Just the facts first. How many people, what cost? What options? What is the best option?
 
  • #173
  • #174
2sisters said:
Who said anything about kicking them out of trailers. You have spun this into something else my friend. FEMA pays rent for apartment, hotels, and motels for the evacuees. No FEMA trailers involved. The governemt doesn't need to pay the rent.FEMA trailers must go though b/c they are unsalfe and I don't think they are the best living conditions.


Yeah, but you see it just doesn't sound as pitiful.
 
  • #175
czechmate7 said:
You know, honestly, I don't know enough yet. We have a FEMA funded project here for a Storm Disaster we had last winter.

Dept of Labor oversees us. We administer the funds and hire the workers and they are placed with the US Forest Service, the County Road Dept and the State Department of Transportation.

Long term unemployed or displaced workers quailify to work in this program.

We are subcontractors. Subcontracting does work pretty well to keep costs down.

(Exception is Iraq.)
 
  • #176
GonzoReiter said:
"dole" is an archaic derivative from Latin and/or French...my personal favorite is "living on the pogey" as in "I couldn't afford these fish 'n chips if I weren't..." (one could substitute "bangers and mash" for the "fish and chips") ... that goes without saying, of course.

Rodgers & Hammerstein's Oklahoma! contains the following lyric in "Many a New Day":

"Never have I wept into my tea
Over the deal someone dole me..."

Hammerstein was famous for writing in the vernacular of his characters and the play takes place at the turn of the 20th century.

(Note to czech: this sort of thing is more my area of expertise. I have no idea how to fix NO, but I get more upset when Halliburton is on the dole than I do when its some poor person from the 9th Ward.)
 
  • #177
How much Federal monies haven't been used yet, and is there an outline for using them? Not sure about that but I do know that NO has paid back money.

Are insurance companies coming through with their payments to owners yet; I know that's been a hangup - hence delay in declaring federal monies for certain projects. Some. Most, no. They are lowballing everyone. For the money they say they want to give, not many can rebuild on it.

How much was raised by charities and what is it being spent for? Ask Red Cross. A portion of every dollar spent went to their admin.

Are the levees being repaired properly and will they hold? Is it worth it to rebuilld the houses? Yes and yes. They are putting in flood gates, making the canals taller and better reinforced. From my understanding, it wasn't that the walls were not strong enough but that they were designed poorly and the upkeep was not done right. The water got between the canal walls and pushed it out. Not every house has to be redone but I think the ones that can, should be.

Are the houses and buildings being redesigned and rebuilt for higher ground?
Yes. New buildings have to be up to the new codes from the get go. Older houses, if they aren't already built with flood proofing have to be raised to meet the new coding.

Are job training programs being offered to those displaced from their jobs in New Orleans? Are jobs being recreated? Some jobs are being recreated. The construction business is booming obviously. Places that didn't have as much damage are busy. I'm not sure about the training programs but I'll ask and look around. If not, there should be! Sadly, the fishing, shrimping and oil business took a beating.

Are families being encouraged to stay together, rather than be displaced to other cities where they may not be able to make a living or adjust? Not really.

Are people who lost their famlies being given psychological treatment; are the elderly being placed in appropriate facilities? No on the psychological treatment. I'm not sure about your second question. Like are there nursing homes open? Prolly. Many? Doubt it.

Are hospitals and other facilities being rebuilt and reopened? There were 11 hospitals. Another just opened not long ago and there are now 3.

Why haven't many neighborhoods or ruined homes been even cleared out? Red tape, red tape, red tape!!!! No people!! Some folks are just now allowed to even enter some neighborhoods to get whatever they can salvage. No equipment, no time after working, No help....lots of reasons. AND they will no longer pick up debris after Dec!!

Why on earth hasn't more been done in 18 months? Lots has been done. Not many boats in trees anymore. No limbs covering everything, blocking streets and in houses. Not as many blue tarps everywhere. Palm trees have been replanted. Buildings have been torn down, shopping malls leveled and bulldozed. On my street I was told that out of the 12 houses, 11 had tarps and trailers, now there are none. We are East of NO and got hit pretty hard with winds. Not many big old pine trees any more. Most were snapped off mid tree. I still have a pretty blue small tarp on my chimney, looks all festive! The piece to fix it has been ordered....in JUNE. It might get here by Crimbo. No worries, we haven't even had to have our heat on yet.

Here on the Northshore there are houses being built by the hundreds. One subdivision near me has 136 new homes. I won't be able to afford one but I'm sure someone will.

You just won't hear about the good stuff. That don't make good news, that's boring news.

I thank the Lord every day I didn't live in New Orleans when Katrina struck; but who knows, something could happen to me, we have tornadoes here all the time.

I'd not wish it on anyone, but you are right, natural disasters happen everywhere.
 
  • #178
Nova said:
(Note to czech: this sort of thing is more my area of expertise. I have no idea how to fix NO, but I get more upset when Halliburton is on the dole than I do when its some poor person from the 9th Ward.)
Halliburton is a pretty big outfit in S.La (especially in my hometown, less than an hour south of NO)....how about this....the more work that is given to Halliburton the more jobs it creates in LA and many people who lost their jobs in NO are now gainfully employed @ Halliburton? Would that be ok?
 
  • #179
windovervocalcords said:
It's a writer's device I'm learning in class, lol.

Sorry you had to learn. Some of us do it naturally. (Sarcasm and hyperbole, I mean, not writing.)
 
  • #180
czechmate7 said:
Halliburton is a pretty big outfit in S.La (especially in my hometown, less than an hour south of NO)....how about this....the more work that is given to Halliburton the more jobs it creates in LA and many people who lost their jobs in NO are now gainfully employed @ Halliburton? Would that be ok?

Might be, but I don't believe the millions or billions stolen in Iraq are finding their way to the poor of NO, except occasionally in drips and drabs through minimum wage or under-the-table jobs.
 

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