Justin Bieber Antics

[iluvmua]

he is still young enough that he can turn the ship around IF he chooses to.

I read on tmz that he had been crying his eyes out. I hope this arrest has at least opened his eyes about the dangers of drunk driving.

 

[Tawny]

Just a further thought on my last post. Ron Howard is actually a pretty amazing example of and exception to the norm. He achieved stardom at a really, really young age, experienced a big resurgence when "Happy Days" became so successfull and then went on to become an amazing Producer and Director and has, unless I have missed some recent gossip, remained marred for decades to this high school sweetheart. From what I understand he, like Tom Hanks, is also considered one the truly "nice guys" in Hollywood.

A major "well done" to his parents and a big fat "WTF is wrong with you" to the parents of so many other child/teen stars.

Apparently it can be done right.

I agree. I also think of the Olsen twins. Yes, one of them dealt with an eating disorder but you didn't hear about them raising he!! and there were TWO of them LOL!

 

[Steely Dan]

Yes, that was my point. Someone who turned it around. There aren't alot of those examples. Ron Howard and Christina Ricci never spiraled so they weren't the choices. They belong with Taylor Swift.

Although Taylor and Christina are still pretty young, I just hope they remain good examples.

Believe it or not I just checked Christina Ricci's age. On February 12th she will be 34 years old. God I feel ancient. :dramaqueen:

Just a further thought on my last post. Ron Howard is actually a pretty amazing example of and exception to the norm. He achieved stardom at a really, really young age, experienced a big resurgence when "Happy Days" became so successfull and then went on to become an amazing Producer and Director and has, unless I have missed some recent gossip, remained marred for decades to this high school sweetheart. From what I understand he, like Tom Hanks, is also considered one the truly "nice guys" in Hollywood.

A major "well done" to his parents and a big fat "WTF is wrong with you" to the parents of so many other child/teen stars.

Apparently it can be done right.

I saw a piece on Ron Howard years ago on 60 minutes type show. The worst thing anyone from his past could say about him is that he would try to get out of mowing the lawn. I think that says a lot. First, his parents actually made him mow the lawn. Mr. Big Star wasn't getting treated differently than any other kid. Second, he tried to get out of mowing the lawn. I don't think that's a rarity in this society, for parents or kids. :giggle:

 

[chlban]

Steely Dan;10163582]Believe it or not I just checked Christina Ricci's age. On February 12th she will be 34 years old. God I feel ancient.

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Ditto. I had no idea, I thought she was, at most, early 20's

I

saw a piece on Ron Howard years ago on 60 minutes type show. The worst thing anyone from his past could say about him is that he would try to get out of mowing the lawn. I think that says a lot. First, his parents actually made him mow the lawn. Mr. Big Star wasn't getting treated differently than any other kid. Second, he tried to get out of mowing the lawn. I don't think that's a rarity in this society, for parents or kids. :giggle

Yes, I think all parents, celebrity kid or not, would consider their job well done if that's the biggest complaint they can come up with!

 

[angela]

calling it, dead by 21

Sheesh. I hope not. All of this is hard for me to watch. He is surrounded by enablers and no one who really cares about his well being. Fan or not, that is just sad.

I was an idiot at 19. I didn't have the money he does but I did some really stupid things. I shudder to think what would have happened to me if I had money.

 

[Leilei]

Yes, that was my point. Someone who turned it around. There aren't alot of those examples. Ron Howard and Christina Ricci never spiraled so they weren't the choices. They belong with Taylor Swift.

Although Taylor and Christina are still pretty young, I just hope they remain good examples.

Robert Downey, Jr. is another one who turned it around. He just about killed himself with drugs. Look at him now

In today's world, with internet, social media, over-the-top papparazzi, celebs can't really keep anything under wraps. Back in the day, I was a huge Andy Gibb fan (remember him?). Would never have guessed he was a coke addict, but I was young and didn't really know anything about drugs. Same with the bands that I followed, from metal to new wave, the stories about them were just that, stories, because we couldn't log on to TMZ and see video or photo proof. Today, they can't buy toilet paper without websites speculating, and some of them even call the paps themselves to try to stay in the public eye.

Not saying that what some of these people do is right, by any means. But it's more visible nowadays. Beiber will have a hard time keeping any treatment/therapy private if he chooses to go that route.

 

[rachaellouise]

The sad part is that his parents aren't exactly enforcing any boundaries or rules on him (mind you, he is an adult now and can say no). He is their money line and the reason they are living the lifestyles they are today. If he cuts them off, they go back to being dirt poor.

 

[gitana1]

Don't really know who Beiber is, as I am not a fan and never listened to his music or whatever else he may do.

Also went to TMZ to catch up. Good grief, they are all over this boy, lol. However, I noticed just how many stars are constantly in some sort of scuffle and legal trouble. Either from driving, drugs, cursing (that part is some times understandable when no one will leave you alone), drinking, you name it. All ages of stars, not just the young ones.

I can clearly see Beiber saying he is just a teen doing teen things. He is, and he can just do it bigger b/c he has money and free time. Most teens do what he is doing, only smaller scale, however, most of those teens don't have as much opportunity to turn it all around in a year or two. Sure he is driving fast, spending cash in a club to throw some bravado around when underage, trying drinking and drugs, trying to look all grown up and shatter the little boy image, to gain a man image. Makes sense, seems normal.

When does it become not normal though? When urinating in public like a messed up homeless junkie begins? When destroying other peoples property without a concern about the other person begins? When risking lives on a City street begins?

Celebs don't really get punished. Forced rehab is simply time off work at a 5 star hotel/club/beach. Fines are nothing since they make loads of money and spend it as if it were air.

We've seen all the results from any sort of punishment for celebs. Does not work.

How about having them spend a day, or a week, with no body guard, no cell phone, no convenience of any kind, at a crack house/junkie house. The old falling apart building with no plumbing, running water, no furniture, no electricity, no heat or a.c., nothing but a group of homeless and hurting drug users. Of course there is danger from the angry and violent outbursts, but isn't that what it all comes to when headed down that road. Would that in anyway help a celeb before they have gone too far?

You're right. He is doing what a lot of teens/young adults do. But they all face real consequences. Instead of fawning fans and yes men, they face livid parents who have the power to withdraw financial support, the loss of independence as fines and suspended licenses are imposed, loss of jobs, etc., if they screw up. He doesn't

When I was young and raising he!!, I lived in dread that my dad would catch me. He told me, "Go ahead, do what you want. But don't get caught because if you do, the police won't be your worst nightmare. I'll kill you."

There was a sense of shame about doing wrong. With kids like these, instead of shame there's smugness, glee that they have attained street cred, and an F u attitude. I mean, who gets out of jail and jumps on top of a car to greet fans?

Its an age when a kid thinks they know everything. But in the real world, kids learn fast because they face consequences. Bieber faces none, really. Evenutally, he will simply go to rehab, the modern day equivalent of penitence. That's the excuse famous people use to cover up poor decisions and choices. But I don't think he needs rehab. He needs a swift kick in the pants. He needs a society that doesnt reward selfish, entitled, bratty behavior and he needs consequences like having his work permit revoked, which will never happen because he pays hefty property taxes and and employs a ton of people and spends a lot of money in this country and that's more important than ensuring publc safety, I guess.

 

[Steely Dan]

The sad part is that his parents aren't exactly enforcing any boundaries or rules on him (mind you, he is an adult now and can say no). He is their money line and the reason they are living the lifestyles they are today. If he cuts them off, they go back to being dirt poor.

Oh boy, my dad held sway over me all of my life. I didn't always listen to him and he knew I didn't have to, but he talked me out of buying a car I really wanted when I was twenty. Needless to say he was smart to do that for me. It would have been a dumb thing to do.

My father never laid an angry hand on me. What he did was more crushing than a smack to the face would ever do. The worst thing he ever did to me is after I got into trouble as a teenager for drinking once after I told him I wouldn't. He said; "I feel like you've betrayed me." I'll never forget that.

 

[Steely Dan]

It seems to me that Bieber's parents didn't insulate him from the yes men and record guys who kowtow to him as long as he's making them money.

I don't know what the success stories were told as they were growing up, but this is what I'd tell my kid; "You're agent isn't your friend. The record company guys fawning over you aren't your friends. The fans aren't your friends. What you have going on right now is most likely gonna stop in a few years. Then your agent won't answer your calls, the record company guys won't offer you a contract or even acknowledge you when sales drop. They'll be busy treating someone else like a God, because that person is making them more money.

Some of the fans are people who love your music and want to be with you because your rich and famous. However, never ever make a fan feel bad for wanting your autograph or just your acknowledgement. They are the one's who really pay you. It's gonna be tough, but you have to learn who the real and fake fans are.

A lot of people will try to be your friend because your rich and famous and the vast majority won't be friends. They're just hangers on, leaches who will sell you out as soon as they can make a good buck by doing so. You have to be very careful who you choose as friends and who you don't.

You're living in a fishbowl now. There is literally almost nothing you can do that won't get reported in the media. This country loves to build celebrities up and then tear them down. The control you have is almost exclusively yours. If you make the right choices in friends, and never do anything you don't want to see on the front page of the newspapers or on the TV news you'll be much better off.

If you make the right decisions you'll be popular after your fame has faded. You won't be popular because you've hit the charts. You'll be popular because you've proven to be respectable."

JMO

 

[gitana1]

It seems to me that Bieber's parents didn't insulate him from the yes men and record guys who kowtow to him as long as he's making them money.

I don't know what the success stories were told as they were growing up, but this is what I'd tell my kid; "You're agent isn't your friend. The record company guys fawning over you aren't your friends. The fans aren't your friends. What you have going on right now is most likely gonna stop in a few years. Then your agent won't answer your calls, the record company guys won't offer you a contract or even acknowledge you when sales drop. They'll be busy treating someone else like a God, because that person is making them more money.

Some of the fans are people who love your music and want to be with you because your rich and famous. However, never ever make a fan feel bad for wanting your autograph or just your acknowledgement. They are the one's who really pay you. It's gonna be tough, but you have to learn who the real and fake fans are.

A lot of people will try to be your friend because your rich and famous and the vast majority won't be friends. They're just hangers on, leaches who will sell you out as soon as they can make a good buck by doing so. You have to be very careful who you choose as friends and who you don't.

You're living in a fishbowl now. There is literally almost nothing you can do that won't get reported in the media. This country loves to build celebrities up and then tear them down. The control you have is almost exclusively yours. If you make the right choices in friends, and never do anything you don't want to see on the front page of the newspapers or on the TV news you'll be much better off.

If you make the right decisions you'll be popular after your fame has faded. You won't be popular because you've hit the charts. You'll be popular because you've proven to be respectable."

JMO

Posts like these, Steely, reaffirm why we all adore you.

 

[21merc7]

Gitana and Steely;

You tug at my heart strings. My family taught values, virtues, consequences. While there were issues and hell to be paid, we learned.

It seems to me that the parents that allow childhood celebrity are in it for the parents own gain. They want the money and the 15 minutes on t.v. and magazines.

No care for the drug use exposed too young, the sexual abuse exposed too young, the general emotional abuse exposed too young. Just the chance to get at that shiny star, the money, and the rolling tide. The child is forgotten, yet praised to continue the tide. Keep encouraging, don't put the child down, party with the child, and the money, clothes, car, t.v. shows keep pouring in. Where is the child and the child's needs, the child's protectors, the child's psychology?

Can the child be happy making a clothespin angel for the Christmas tree? To be hung on the tree every year. Made of a clothespin, cottonball, marker, and glue?

I know that children are exposed to a lot anyway, but child celebs hurt in silence. Like a lot that are not celebs, like a lot from bad homes.

The point being: Can we demand NO MORE CHILD CELEBS?!

Will it help, or will it hurt? Their families do not seem to get it, not unlike many others, but would it spare them being exposed too young to drugs, alcohol, sexual abuse, emotional abuse and manipulation, entitlement?

I don't know the answer. I would like to see Celebs start working on positive public answers, not just for their own, but for the others that will not have the money and fame, just the life that brings us here to discuss what America said is the dream, yet it is always Ghetto life for these children celebs when you break it down psychologically.

 

[~n/t~]

I think the media is not helping. CNN is airing a special tonight. Justin Bieber's Wild Ride.

:banghead:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Justin Bieber's Dad Defends Singer on Twitter: "Believe in the Truth and Not in the Lies of the Enemy"

Jordana Ossad, eonline
9 minutes ago

Justin Bieber 's father is defending his son, following the singer's DUI arrest .

"I can protect my kids, but I can't protect them from you and your lies. Believe in the truth not in the lies of the enemy. #reallife," Jeremy Bieber tweeted on Friday, Jan. 24.

Jeremy, who also goes by the name Lord Rauhl, spent time with the pop phenom on Wednesday, Jan. 22, at a Miami beach...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20140124/b503099/

 

[iluvmua]

his father looks like a 17 year old gang member wannabe.

he's 38.

it would not surprise me if he did drugs with him.

jmo

 

[Steely Dan]

Gitana and Steely;

You tug at my heart strings. My family taught values, virtues, consequences. While there were issues and hell to be paid, we learned.

It seems to me that the parents that allow childhood celebrity are in it for the parents own gain. They want the money and the 15 minutes on t.v. and magazines.

No care for the drug use exposed too young, the sexual abuse exposed too young, the general emotional abuse exposed too young. Just the chance to get at that shiny star, the money, and the rolling tide. The child is forgotten, yet praised to continue the tide. Keep encouraging, don't put the child down, party with the child, and the money, clothes, car, t.v. shows keep pouring in. Where is the child and the child's needs, the child's protectors, the child's psychology?

Can the child be happy making a clothespin angel for the Christmas tree? To be hung on the tree every year. Made of a clothespin, cottonball, marker, and glue?

I know that children are exposed to a lot anyway, but child celebs hurt in silence. Like a lot that are not celebs, like a lot from bad homes.

The point being: Can we demand NO MORE CHILD CELEBS?!

Will it help, or will it hurt? Their families do not seem to get it, not unlike many others, but would it spare them being exposed too young to drugs, alcohol, sexual abuse, emotional abuse and manipulation, entitlement?

I don't know the answer. I would like to see Celebs start working on positive public answers, not just for their own, but for the others that will not have the money and fame, just the life that brings us here to discuss what America said is the dream, yet it is always Ghetto life for these children celebs when you break it down psychologically.

IIRC, so many child stars were getting ripped off by their parents and having, literally, no money when they turned 18 that California passed a law to prevent it. I believe that it makes parents put the brunt of their kids earnings into an account they can't access and the kid can't access until their 18.

Justin Bieber's Dad Defends Singer on Twitter: "Believe in the Truth and Not in the Lies of the Enemy"

Jordana Ossad, eonline
9 minutes ago

Justin Bieber 's father is defending his son, following the singer's DUI arrest .

"I can protect my kids, but I can't protect them from you and your lies. Believe in the truth not in the lies of the enemy. #reallife," Jeremy Bieber tweeted on Friday, Jan. 24.

Jeremy, who also goes by the name Lord Rauhl, spent time with the pop phenom on Wednesday, Jan. 22, at a Miami beach...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20140124/b503099/

Oh for Christ's sake. :sigh:

 

[Leilei]

Justin Bieber's Dad Defends Singer on Twitter: "Believe in the Truth and Not in the Lies of the Enemy"

Jordana Ossad, eonline
9 minutes ago

Justin Bieber 's father is defending his son, following the singer's DUI arrest .

"I can protect my kids, but I can't protect them from you and your lies. Believe in the truth not in the lies of the enemy. #reallife," Jeremy Bieber tweeted on Friday, Jan. 24.

Jeremy, who also goes by the name Lord Rauhl, spent time with the pop phenom on Wednesday, Jan. 22, at a Miami beach...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20140124/b503099/

Oh for heaven's sake. What lies? JB admitted to drinking, smoking weed, and taking prescription meds. He was, indeed, behind the wheel and speeding. I see no lies here.

I do see a guy who thinks "protecting his kid" involves blocking a residential street at 4am so that his "kid" can drag race in a rented luxury sports car.

Gee, I guess I got the "protecting my kids" stuff wrong for the past twenty-four years

 

[~n/t~]

:sigh:

Dad sounds like an enabler. Judge should deport him back to little town of Stratford, Ontario and let him work at the local Tim Horton's coffee shop serving coffee and donuts. He needs a reality check.

 

[HMSHood]

Bieber's channeling Lindsay Lohan

A bunch of train wrecks they are.
:trainwreck:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

:sigh:

Dad sounds like an enabler. Judge should deport him back to little town of Stratford, Ontario and let him work at the local Tim Horton's coffee shop serving coffee and donuts. He needs a reality check.

DH and I used to stop there before heading home from our weekend theatre trips. The coffee was so hot - we couldn't drink it for 20+ minutes