Kaine attends 3 hours of meetings at sheriff's office

[wondering1]

I disagree. He said when there are special events, he can't always attend, but he makes up for it by coming home early and working from home so he can meet Kyron at the bus stop and discuss the day. He did not imply anywhere that he went to the science fair that day. Just the opposite. He left work and early because he *couldn't* go to the science fair.

I think that's what calli said:

he doesn't specifically state he didn't attend, but it's implied . . [that he didn't attend]:

eta: the bracketed words are mine. The italics are c's

 

[Jo in Calif]

The part that bothers me is what Sheriff Staton said about he's "working to complete a thorough investigation". A strange word to use when you have no more participation from the last person to see Kyron alive, and you don't have Kyron! Strange, in my opinion.

MOO I think they are working to complete the investigation, I think that's what they have been doing all along, they didn't say they had completed the investigation.

 

[passionflower]

Could LE be preparing him for the arrest of his wife???

 

[Calliope]

I disagree. He said when there are special events, he can't always attend, but he makes up for it by coming home early and working from home so he can meet Kyron at the bus stop and discuss the day. He did not imply anywhere that he went to the science fair that day. Just the opposite. He left work and early because he *couldn't* go to the science fair.

I know; I meant that it implied he didn't attend.

 

[Calliope]

Could LE be preparing him for the arrest of his wife???

And judging from the interview, that Kyron isn't alive

 

[gwenabob]

I think that's what calli said:

he doesn't specifically state he didn't attend, but it's implied . . [that he didn't attend]:

eta: the bracketed words are mine. The italics are c's

Yes, you are right. I mis-read her post and have deleted my original errant post.

 

[Dee10]

good grief.

The man's child is missing.

I certainly hope Kaine is talking with LE regularly. And I bet he's glad that they use him for everything they think he'd be helpful with.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kaine said to LE: "yes, of course we can meet - but if possible, can we meet at your place after work hours and dinner for the baby because we're trying hard to keep things scheduled and keep the house peaceful for her this week so she can re-adjust."

And LE said "Sure, man"- whatever is good for you & the baby." And they said "hope the baby's enjoying being home".

Hey, it's not crazy. LE is scheduled for overtime, as we know.

See...I see things a little differently in the respect of witnesses, if they need follow-up on details or questions; why would it have to be at the station??? I find that very interesting that it would have to be in person vs. phone (given the circumstances & press). This is the first time...my hinky-meter has gone up in respect to Kaine. Sorry, I "do" find that odd, but hopefully nothing.

 

[Wrinkles]

sbm

Like some decided Terri was guilty right out of the gate, based upon her FB ?

I'm not sure of who these "some" are but I found it interesting what people observed and noted. If I were going to interpret what some, including myself -- and very early on -- noted about the FB wall were specific things that seemed "very off" in light of the circumstances, the content of the FB wall, and Terri's responses (what they were and to whom/what she chose to respond). Not everyone sensed, observed, noted the same things...

I cannot speak for others, but I can speak for myself. I didn't interpret what I sensed on that wall as "guilt" -- what I sensed was "something seems very off here, watch, keep watching."

IF and if we someday learn that Terri had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance, I would still not bend on what I saw on that FB wall as being exceedingly strange -- to me -- in light of the very grave circumstances of a little child being missing. BUT...that is me and my opinion.

Someday, we will know more about this case, or at least I hope that LE will get to the bottom of it. At that point in time, I will certainly be reviewing "my senses" in light of what is known, where did I hit or miss beats.

Now then...back to the specifics of the thread. I reviewed one video of Kaine coming out of his 3 hour meeting. I felt a hope in what I saw in Kaine's face and stride. I'm not bothered that he didn't respond to media queries (though a few short words might have been nice, but would that have been possible?) I am "okay with Kaine" -- is he perfect? Well, I'm not, my guess is he isn't, but that isn't my concern. I think Kaine is a man who lost his little and beloved son suddenly -- through no fault of his own, who has a toddler girl to go home to and attend and love, and a job to face in the morning.

 

[GrainneDhu]

BBM. I don't want to put a price tag on it, but this is a MAJOR question that I have had since day one of this case. I have wondered from the get-go if Kaine and/or other family members visited the science fair at Skyline School on June 4 to see Kyron's exhibit. jmo

DY said (in the context of what she feels guilty about) that she couldn't attend that morning due to work commitments. TY has not said but I would imagine that if DY couldn't, he probably didn't make the five hour drive either.

 

[Mamietwo]

Late Wednesday morning, Sheriff Daniel Staton released a statement to the media promising he was working to complete a thorough investigation, even if he could not elaborate on all the details.


I remember the statement that TY said about connecting the dots. The Sheriff could have said that he wanted to make sure they were thoroughly investigating every detail, but instead he used the word COMPLETE the investigation. So I wonder what that means. You dont complete an investigation unless it is solved. Have they solved this case? If so where is Kyron? Are they ready to make an arrest? If so where is Kyron? The investigation is not complete until Kyron is located.

I just responded with the same thing to someone else's post about using the word "complete", by the Sheriff. I don't like this use of the word by him in this case.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Yes, you are right. I mis-read her post and have deleted my original errant post.

I misread it to mean what you did as well, gwenabob.

 

[wondering1]

Yes, you are right. I mis-read her post and have deleted my original errant post.

It was easy to read it that way. I had to read it a couple of times myself btw, I wasn't calling you out to correct your post. I just wasn't sure if C was around to respond.

 

[AlexisFresca]

And judging from the interview, that Kyron isn't alive

Sadly, I have felt that since the presser from June 14th. It spoke volumes to me, the demeanor, the captain's voice cracking as he spoke ...

 

[newone]

Could it be that the LE has exhausted all leads and they are fishing for any new leads or info? Could it be that the LE has reached a point where they are going to have to drop this case unless they get fresh leads? I can't imagine telling a parent that there is nothing new and that manpower has to be redirected as there is nothing further to investigate but it could it be that this is the case too? I wonder now if this 3 hour meeting was to prepare KH for the possibility that this case is now being scaled back due to lack of resources and lack of hard evidence.

 

[Mamietwo]

MOO I think they are working to complete the investigation, I think that's what they have been doing all along, they didn't say they had completed the investigation.

BBM - I realize that, Jo, which is why you didn't see me use the past tense of the word "complete" . But as the rest of my post said, I don't understand him using the word when we have no Kyron and TMH is not cooperatively speaking.

 

[LisaB]

I hope this makes sense to somebody out there... first, IIRC the hearing originally scheduled for tomorrow dealt with TH leaving the house, and has been resolved (obviously). The charges against TH for violating the RO are upcoming, but not really soon, certainly not tomorrow. HOWEVER...

As has been discussed in several threads, TH's criminal defense attorney chose not to allow his client to testify in a RO or custody hearing (not the violation thereof, which is the separate court session I mentioned above) because the risk was too high. In essence, something she said in the civil hearing "on the record" could later be used if criminal charges were brought against her.

In order for KH to convince the court that the threat to himself and Baby K was serious (and therefore the violation of the RO "mattered" for their safety) he is going to have to reveal the evidence the police gave him to convince him that TH took Kyron and attempted to arrange the MFH.

As TH has not been charged with any crime, the defense attorney is not yet privy under "discovery" to either incriminating or potentially exculpatory information collected by LE and doesn't really know WHAT the case consists of.

In a sense, LE may be tipping their hand a bit if KH sees this Violation of RO through. They may have been discussing HOW MUCH information is enough to convince the judge without being everything in their arsenal.

And, if they are now looking in some OTHER direction (other that TH) they'll have some 'splaining to do as to why they gave KH "probable cause" to believe his wife tried to have him murdered and was involved in the disappearance of his son and are now not so certain.

MOO

 

[wondering1]

I hope this makes sense to somebody out there... first, IIRC the hearing originally scheduled for tomorrow dealt with TH leaving the house, and has been resolved (obviously). The charges against TH for violating the RO are upcoming, but not really soon, certainly not tomorrow. HOWEVER...

sbm

Tomorrow is still the pre-hearing date on the contempt motion afaik:

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Keith Meisenheimer set two future court hearing dates for Kaine Horman's motion to hold his wife in contempt of court.

A pre-hearing date is set for July 22 at 1:30 p.m., followed by a Sept. 21 hearing.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_moulton_horman_expected.html

I have to think more about what you said about the evidence issue

 

[Emma Peel]

See...I see things a little differently in the respect of witnesses, if they need follow-up on details or questions; why would it have to be at the station??? I find that very interesting that it would have to be in person vs. phone (given the circumstances & press). This is the first time...my hinky-meter has gone up in respect to Kaine. Sorry, I "do" find that odd, but hopefully nothing.

Perhaps because 200 subpoenaed documents, between 10 and 100 pages each, are also at the station. JMHO.

I must be missing something. Why is it weird that any of the parents of Kyron would meet with police or the DA at their offices or conference rooms at the police station? Perhaps I need investigation protocol spelled out for me or something.

Now, if Kaine left the police station after a 3 hour meeting with a new criminal defense attorney by his side, we'd all have something to talk about.

Until then...I'm glad to know they need to talk to Kaine about whatever it is they are trying to confirm, figure out, piece together, etc... and I'll assume, as he's continuing to be cooperative in every way.

 

[wondering1]

In order for KH to convince the court that the threat to himself and Baby K was serious (and therefore the violation of the RO "mattered" for their safety) he is going to have to reveal the evidence the police gave him to convince him that TH took Kyron and attempted to arrange the MFH.

Okay, I thought about it lol. I don't think they need to go into the MFH. That was the basis of the RO in the first place...which was granted w/o challenge. That order stands on its predicate, imo.

The contempt hearing will, imo, focus on proving that TH revealed the RO and KH's location to MC, and that she intended either to harm them, or take baby K -- hence the reference to the alleged attempted *abduction* at the gym. TH already knows what's out there on both of those issues, since she made the call to the gym and all of the....errmmmm....*contacts* with MC.

just my thoughts, imoo, etc., etc.

 

[Calliope]

Okay, I thought about it lol. I don't think they need to go into the MFH. That was the basis of the RO in the first place...which was granted w/o challenge. That order stands on its predicate, imo.

The contempt hearing will, imo, focus on proving that TH revealed the RO and KH's location to MC, and that she intended either to harm them, or take baby K -- hence the reference to the alleged attempted *abduction* at the gym. TH already knows what's out there on both of those issues, since she made the call to the gym and all of the....errmmmm....*contacts* with MC.

just my thoughts, imoo, etc., etc.

His allegation that Terri had something to do with Kyron's disappearance was the only item listed on the application for RO that fell within the guidelines of 180 days. I'm thinking neither defense OR prosecution wants to see this go to court.