Kaine recalls when the marriage began to sour

[xin]

We're looking for Terri's motive (if LE is building a case against Terri, they are also looking - or have already found - motive.)

That's about as far as it goes. Everyone realizes (IMO) that motive is in the mind of Terri - and that's what counts.

And everyone realizes that there is no acceptable or excusable motive for the acts she's allegedly committed.

Motive's really very important in this case, IMO. I mean, if these allegations we're learning about are true, they point to pre-meditated everything - and there's no insanity defense for that.

And it puts the death penalty on the table. One reason why there may not have yet been an arrest. LE wants a capitol murder case and juries don't want to give moms the DP. Needs to be tight case, with evil motive.

imo

 

[eyes4crime]

Blue bolded by me...

If KH made threats like "If you leave me, you will never see Kyron (and Baby K in the case of his marriage to TH) again".

He could have thrown the DUI in Terri's face, convincing her no court would grant her custody if they split up. Terri becomes desperate, considers murder for hire, and as was theorized in another thread, Terri hides Kyron with plans to take off with Baby K. Maybe she didn't count on Kaine coming home as early as he did.

MMO

Today in the press conference, Kaine was asked a question about the DUI. Paraphrasing - he said .....as a family we put it behind us.

Terri got the DUI 5yo ago, 2005? She married Kaine in 2007. He accepted her with that DUI and apparently put it behind him. Maybe if Terri started consuming alcohol after having baby girl, he would use the DUI as a reminder of what happened to her. There is so little information - I can only keep guessing. moo

 

[mrsjonnob]

Today in the press conference, Kaine was asked a question about the DUI. Paraphrasing - he said .....as a family we put it behind us.

Terri got the DUI 5yo ago, 2005? She married Kaine in 2007. He accepted her with that DUI and apparently put it behind him. Maybe if Terri started consuming alcohol after having baby girl, he would use the DUI as a reminder of what happened to her. There is so little information - I can only keep guessing. moo

I wonder though if Terri had threatened to leave Kaine once the marriage was going sour, as KH said, and he threatened to bring that incident up. People say cruel things in anger.

 

[mrsc72]

Slightly OT but KPTV just aired 4 four minute segments of a sit down interview with KH & DY they did after todays presser. Links hopefully will be on the site soon. They answer more questions about the day he disappeared as well as others not addressed at the earlier interview.
ETA I watched the live stream from their site.

 

[Emma Peel]

And it puts the death penalty on the table. One reason why there may not have yet been an arrest. LE wants a capitol murder case and juries don't want to give moms the DP. Needs to be tight case, with evil motive.

imo

Pressure, pressure...
orchestrated pressure...

I wonder if some of these messages are for the benefit of her counsel as well...since perhaps, he himself hasn't asked Terri what her motive was...:snooty:

 

[xin]

I wonder though if Terri had threatened to leave Kaine once the marriage was going sour, as KH said, and he threatened to bring that incident up. People say cruel things in anger.

My guess is that is was way, way worse.

imho

 

[eyes4crime]

I wonder though if Terri had threatened to leave Kaine once the marriage was going sour, as KH said, and he threatened to bring that incident up. People say cruel things in anger.

I doubt that bringing up her history of having ONE DUI 5 years ago would cause her to hire a hit man (if true). I think it's something far more serious and, as Emma said, could be a skeleton in Kaine's closet that only he can tell us about. Or, think about the actions a trapped animal would take. moo

I feel history of a person tells us a lot. Terri's history regarding violence and her proclivity for revenge is unknown. moo

 

[greenpalm]

Slightly OT but KPTV just aired 4 four minute segments of a sit down interview with KH & DY they did after todays presser. Links hopefully will be on the site soon. They answer more questions about the day he disappeared as well as others not addressed at the earlier interview.
ETA I watched the live stream from their site.

Thank goodness! I was wondering why we didn't go back to the original day of disappearance questions now that they're willing to talk. I'm looking forward to hearing some of that. I didn't even get to see the entire presser, it just stopped playing the vid right in the middle of Desiree's response to the question about how she winced away when TH attempted to comfort her at that first presser. I said argh!

 

[xin]

Pressure, pressure...
orchestrated pressure...

I wonder if some of these messages are for the benefit of her counsel as well...since perhaps, he himself hasn't asked Terri what her motive was...:snooty:

Absolutamento, Miss Emma. We remember that Kyron's step-dad is a cop.
ETA: in a way, that is the little detail she overlooked, and that may be where the DP pressure is coming from. Go Blue!
The cop is a factor too.


imo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think the DUI is just one incident in many we are going to hear about in TH's life which when taken in isolation isn't a huge indicator, but when added to the whole forms part of the tapestry that leads to this crime.

I am interested in hearing what the staff and parents at the school had observed about her interactions there before this happened. She seemed a little bit 'over involved' at the school IMO, injecting herself into the environment there...now this is just my observation from her FB site, the pictures, her comments, and her ambition (also mentioned on FB) to become a school superintendent (grandiose delusions anyone?), but it's interesting to me that she set this up as a kidnapping from that school.

I'm wondering if the DUI is linked because the subsequent 'child endangerment' inquiry may have thwarted her professional dreams, but I am wondering if part of her motivation here may have also been directed at the school.

 

[revampz]

hi...I have just got on here but did he mention in the news conference that she had post natal depression and was on medication......

I have just seen a news site with that on thats all...

says he was supposed to watch her closely for 6 months and he did and he thought everything was ok about a month before this all happened....

anyhow that answers the questions re the postnatal and medications.....

 

[mrsc72]

hi...I have just got on here but did he mention in the news conference that she had post natal depression and was on medication......

I have just seen a news site with that on thats all...

says he was supposed to watch her closely for 6 months and he did and he thought everything was ok about a month before this all happened....

anyhow that answers the questions re the postnatal and medications.....

I just read that too. On www.wweek.com

 

[LaLaw2000]

I heard a question in the presser concerning Kaine wanting the home back for he and the baby. I am a security freak and I am afraid for the two of them to go back to the home. It is rather isolated, the driveway appears to be long, and the home is surrounded by trees.

I would hope there would be a state of the art burglar alarm installed and not the one that may have been there when Terri was in the home. I would also hope that Kaine would have someone staying there with he and the baby. When he does return to work, the baby does not need to be babysat in the home.

Sorry to interrupt, but I just worry about the security of Kaine and the baby.

 

[eyes4crime]

SNIP**

He told WW the illness came on after the birth of their daughter K 19 months ago and lasted well over a year.

“As far as I’m concerned, probably up until a month or two before Kyron was gone — and then she could have been hiding it at that point,” Kaine Horman said.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.

“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

**snip**

Sound like PPD began shortly after baby girl was born, treatment was started, and she showed symptoms of erratic behavior until a couple months ago? Did she go off her medication? How terrible for her...for everyone. moo

http://www.wweek.com/

 

[butwhatif?]

What a gift for Terri this article is. All it needs is a big red bow wrapped around it.
Not only does she have a defense for whatever happened to Kyron, but also for the murder for hire plot.

All alleged crimes covered 'cause of those crazy hormones.

Just perfect!:angel:

Will she take the bait and tell where Kyron is? Fingers firmly crossed.

Is her atty crafty enough to know that they are on a fishing expedition with this article that has her defense laid out in the very first paragraph?

Or will her atty jump at the chance of a defense handed to him on a silver platter?
Jmo, moo

Eta: Not saying she did or didn't suffer from PPD or PPP....It's possible. I have PMDD and had PPD and know how crazy hormones can be (just ask my friends and family- BTW they are all alive and well). If true, then its time to get some meds into her and get her to talk.....and fast. Her atty is the key here. I hope he has some decency and does the right thing if she truely is unwell.

 

[flourish]

At this stage anything she says against Kaine will just be another example of her horrible nature as far as I am concerned. I think it's the worst thing she could do, as it would only cement in my mind that this was an act of revenge, which in her own twisted mind is somehow justified.

Well it's not, now way, now how. I just want this woman to tell someone what horrific thing she did to Kyron, and if she can't do that, to let someone know, even anonymously where he is.

Then I want her to drop off the face of the earth. I'm so furious about this whole situation that I can't even be rational anymore.

I think the DUI is just one incident in many we are going to hear about in TH's life which when taken in isolation isn't a huge indicator, but when added to the whole forms part of the tapestry that leads to this crime.

I am interested in hearing what the staff and parents at the school had observed about her interactions there before this happened. She seemed a little bit 'over involved' at the school IMO, injecting herself into the environment there...now this is just my observation from her FB site, the pictures, her comments, and her ambition (also mentioned on FB) to become a school superintendent (grandiose delusions anyone?), but it's interesting to me that she set this up as a kidnapping from that school.

I'm wondering if the DUI is linked because the subsequent 'child endangerment' inquiry may have thwarted her professional dreams, but I am wondering if part of her motivation here may have also been directed at the school.

Girl, you are on fire tonight! Such excellent posts which needed a thanks-button-not-enough bump

 

[Emma Peel]

Interesting to hear this revelation about PPD!

It's important to know, isn't it?

IMO, A little unexpected...but also makes sense because she does seem medicated, as has been discussed ... I shall therefore ... need to sleep on this.

This is an out for her, so I will be rem-ing on why they'd propose an out for her at this point... :bedtime:

have a good night!

 

[KeyboardCat]

I'm amazed at the way that the public seems to have sealed Terri's fate. It seems cruel to me. I preface this by saying that I am not certain she is innocent...and I am not certain she is guilty. We do not have the full picture. We have absolutely no evidence to prove that Terri did anything illegal here.
Others have suggested Terri wanted to destroy her husband. I suppose they are using the landscaper's story to accuse her. While the mfh plot seems condemning, we do not have proof of the landscaper's story.

We have folks saying Terri deserves to be homeless or worse. If she has done something to Kyron then she deserves the full measure of the law to be thrown on her. But the law says we are innocent until proven guilty. I suppose I am thinking of that.

Sorry if I have offended....

I don't think you've offended anyone

And although I can see how its frustrating to feel that the public has already sealed Terri's fate and of course we are innocent until proven guilty, but I think its important to point out Law Enforcement seemed to try very hard to not condemn her. They were openly critical of public opinion in a press conference, saying that the family was trying hard to find some normalcy, and that others shouldn't criticize her for twitter/facebook whatever remarks about her "hitting the gym." They went out of their way to state that she was not a suspect. She was included in press conferences with the family. Law Enforcement stated that she had been fully cooperating. (This was before these new revelations.)

Public opinion is a loose cannon phenomenon.

When people talk about someone being innocent until proven guilty, that means that she can't be sentenced to punishment in the judicial system until a guilty verdict is rendered.

This is not true in the court of public opinion. People certainly have a right to form a premature opinion of innocence or guilt based on what they have read or have been told. I don't think many can comprehend the abduction of a child, so they try to wrap their brains around it. So they try to figure it out based on common sense, statistics, facts available. My question is this: Should people not be able to speculate or arrive at what they deem a sensible conclusion just because someone's reputation may be forever damaged if many others also arrive at the same conclusion?

I've seen so many comments talking about how what is being done to Terri is a shame, or that the media should have more responsibility. If the masses do believe she is guilty, its not the media's fault. The people have a natural curiosity, and the right to know some things at least. Law enforcement has released a small amount of information for whatever reason. The media reported it. So now the air of suspicion around Terri Horman is thicker. Law enforcement did not release information about her in order to libel her, to slander her, or to damage her reputation or social standing. Kyron's family have a right to speak their feelings in a press conference, whether or not there is damage done to Terri Horman because of it.

Of course its frightening to think that perhaps an innocent person is being railroaded. It could happen to anyone of us if we are ever in the path of an investigation. But the alternative is even more frightening to me. What if no one was ever allowed to discuss or hear any facts about an unresolved case unless they sit on a jury? In order to ensure that no innocent person is being railroaded or portrayed negatively, the entire public would have to be prevented from knowing any and all facts of a crime and also not even be allowed to form an opinion let alone discuss it publicly. If Terri Horman has been damaged because of this, the damage only happened as a by product of a very necessary investigation, free press, and free speech.

 

[eyes4crime]

What a gift for Terri this article is. All it needs is a big red bow wrapped around it.
Not only does she have a defense for whatever happened to Kyron, but also for the murder for hire plot.

All alleged crimes covered 'cause of those crazy hormones.

Just perfect!:angel:

Will she take the bait and tell where Kyron is? Fingers firmly crossed.

Is her atty crafty enough to know that they are on a fishing expedition with this article that has her defense laid out in the very first paragraph?

Or will her atty jump at the chance of a defense handed to him on a silver platter?
Jmo, moo

If having PPD is true and Terri has been on medication it's all documented somewhere. Dr. visits, pharmacy visits, therapy (maybe). Why would you consider this a big red bow? If true, it had to have been terrible for everyone, especially Terri. If PPD is the cause of tragedy happening to Kyron - why is that a gift? moo

 

[revampz]

I am sure alot of you on here have got PND experiences.....

I am certainly not using this as an excuse for her as I think she is very self centred....I still cant get over her taking hubby no. 2 to court 3 years after he hadnt seen her son for money......

however.......I had a work mate that got PND bad.........she got paranoid about germs around the baby and would scrub the babies room for hours and hours...it got so bad that she would not touch the baby because she thought she would give it germs.....she was hospitalized....

I got it for about a week .....when I got my second son home, I got obsessed with my mortality and lay on the couch convinced I was going to die of mouth cancer.....I snapped out of it but after I snapped out of it, it was like "wow what was that about".......

it certainly would have made an angry, revengeful woman a lot worse....