Kaine recalls when the marriage began to sour

[butwhatif?]

If having PPD is true and Terri has been on medication it's all documented somewhere. Dr. visits, pharmacy visits, therapy (maybe). Why would you consider this a big red bow? If true, it had to have been terrible for everyone, especially Terri. If PPD is the cause of tragedy happening to Kyron - why is that a gift? moo

That's soooo not what I meant. I hope nobody here thinks that I think a missing child is a gift! Or any mental illness is a gift. Believe me, I know first hand how awful it is.

It's an 'out' for her. An explanation and defense of why she may have done anything to kyron or anybody else.

To me this article is like saying "We understand.....it's not your fault Terri. You're not bad. You are sick. You won't go to jail...you will go to a hospital where you can get well. It's not too late to tell us where Kyron is".

And it WILL be a gift to all involved if it brings Kyron home.

 

[sorrell skye]

Very sad how both of Kaine's marriages soured around the time of pregnancies.

I agree, Emma. Very sad.

 

[eyes4crime]

No offense to Kaine, and sorry about his marriage souring... But can we get back to Kyron...His body maybe souring also...(sorry).. but what happened to us finding Kyron...

Gosh, I had to go look at the subject of this thread. It is about Kaine and the marriage souring. There are different threads with topics covering finding Kyron. I know, somehow he keeps getting lost in all the speculation and theories. But actually, that's all part of finding the little guy. :twocents:

 

[Mylou]

I am sure alot of you on here have got PND experiences.....

I am certainly not using this as an excuse for her as I think she is very self centred....I still cant get over her taking hubby no. 2 to court 3 years after he hadnt seen her son for money......

however.......I had a work mate that got PND bad.........she got paranoid about germs around the baby and would scrub the babies room for hours and hours...it got so bad that she would not touch the baby because she thought she would give it germs.....she was hospitalized....

I got it for about a week .....when I got my second son home, I got obsessed with my mortality and lay on the couch convinced I was going to die of mouth cancer.....I snapped out of it but after I snapped out of it, it was like "wow what was that about".......

it certainly would have made an angry, revengeful woman a lot worse....

Thanks for some insight. I've never known anyone who has told me how they suffered with it before.
Im sure it can be devastating and sounds like it may create paranoia etc.
Im wondering now could someone suffering from this really pull off a crime and get away with it ? Surely the people closest to them see the signs of paranoia, or what ever they become obsessed about. Which just made me think, is it possible to get overly paranoid about a child's safety that you hide them? I see Im going to have to do some research into this and see what I can learn.
Thanks again for sharing your insight.

 

[sorrell skye]

Kaine said in the article their marriage started faltering around the time the baby was born.

Kaine and Desiree split up around the time Kyron was born, too. Interesting.

Yep. Indeed interesting.

ETA: But mostly tragic, for everyone involved, especially the children.

 

[KeyboardCat]

No offense to Kaine, and sorry about his marriage souring... But can we get back to Kyron...His body maybe souring also...(sorry).. but what happened to us finding Kyron...

I am guessing that more than a few people here may not have the ability to head to Oregon and start physically searching. If I could, I would be there right now.

Although I can't speak for others, I assume the objective to having this forum is to keep an ongoing dialogue about this case, to keep it in the collective national conversation, even if its in a small way. It may help to somehow raise awareness of what happened to Kyron, to motivate searches until he is found. It may also raise awareness of how crimes such as these happen, and maybe even inspire parents (particularly in the Portland area) to be much more vigilant.

As for any topics not directly related to possible specific whereabouts of Kyron, law enforcement probably has better hunches or leads about this. And we aren't privy to that. All we know is tidbits they have released. All anyone can look at to even attempt to glean information of his whereabouts (other than the LE tidbits) is to dissect the actions, reactions, motives, behaviors, thought processes, family history, whatever, whatever, etc., of the step mother, who may not even be involved.

But I think the point of it all is to keep talking about it. All of it. Keep his name out there, perhaps even if just in a small way on forums, to make sure his face isn't forgotten in the chance that he is alive, and someone can recognize him.

 

[Curious Me]

I think the DUI is just one incident in many we are going to hear about in TH's life which when taken in isolation isn't a huge indicator, but when added to the whole forms part of the tapestry that leads to this crime.

I am interested in hearing what the staff and parents at the school had observed about her interactions there before this happened. She seemed a little bit 'over involved' at the school IMO, injecting herself into the environment there...now this is just my observation from her FB site, the pictures, her comments, and her ambition (also mentioned on FB) to become a school superintendent (grandiose delusions anyone?), but it's interesting to me that she set this up as a kidnapping from that school.

I'm wondering if the DUI is linked because the subsequent 'child endangerment' inquiry may have thwarted her professional dreams, but I am wondering if part of her motivation here may have also been directed at the school.

BBM Me, too!

Another thing is when Kaine was asked about the relationship between Terri and Kyron he wouldn't say, but felt Terri should answer that. Who knows how astute Kaine was to what Terri was keeping hidden all along. I just don't think she could've suddenly decided to harm a child out of the blue. She knows something, and is torturing the other parents with her silence. I'm afraid of what that silence means.

But, you know, the face people put on in public can be different than the face they show a little kid. I'm thinking about this woman that was a nanny for years, but smart parents made a video of her caring for their young child. She was a monster to that baby! Her husband was stunned seeing that video.

Prayers for Kyron and his Family and Loved Ones who must endure this nightmare. Woe to the One who caused this.

 

[glorybug]

"Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it."

So, biodad is all concerned now that TH might have had PPD, but he never bothered to look at her medication, and never bothered to make sure she kept taking it? He claims he was supposed to be 'watching her'. How could he do that if he didn't even know what she was taking?

And, biomom? She allowed her child to stay in a home where there was concern because of PPD?

I'm tired of this circus. Dirt and more dirt, and none ofit has ANYTHING to do with anything that is finding Kyron. I wish they would put their personal agendas on hold until Kyron is found. Then point the fingers all they want.

If LE wants to allow one of TH's own doctors to talk to the media about her alleged medical problems, and they can actually state a reason why it's relevant, maybe I'll listen. I am not going to listen to what is essentially hearsay. If you want to complain about your wife allegedly having PPD, you should probably give more symptoms than those that EVERY new mother deals with, and you should know what meds they were on, and you should have been paying attention if you claim you were supposed to be 'watching them'.

Ugh. I'm so tired of the useless mud in this case. I know a lot of other people enjoy it, but I can't stand it. Just the facts, find Kyron, have a trial, and be done with it. Every time I read a new WW article I feel like I just looked through someone's panty-drawer. Ugh.

 

[TrY]

I asked a question in the now closed presser thread about whether the Oregonian newspaper and the Willamette Week newspapers were at the Thursday July 8 press conference held by DY and KH and I would guess that from both the Oregonian newspaper online article listed in this thread starter as well as the WW newspaper online articl linked in the [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108863"]Kaine tells us about Terri and PPD - what roll did it play, if any?[/ame] thread that the family strategy of dealing with the press has taken a 180 degree turn since Kaine has apparently talked to reporters from both of those newspapers (those papers were barred from an earlier off the record press conference on July 1.)

 

[lorann]

I am so far behind in reading all of the posts I am not sure this hasn't already been said - but has been on my mind for a while.

I don't know if the new baby caused Kyron to feel a little left out or if SM had PPD - but I am sure he talked to his Mother about it. Since school was almost out, perhaps he was going to spend some extra time with his Mother. If things were difficult in his father's home and since she has a good stable marriage, maybe discussions had been happening about Kyron going back to his Mother. If SM was insecure anyway, this may have prompted her to do something before he left the home. That was SM's hold to keeping her husband and she was about to lose that. I just don't know how far she would go. Maybe that is why his Mother just knew when she got the call, the timing... Just my way of trying to make some sense of why why why.

ETA My kids use to come home from visits with their Dad and I could always tell if something had happened that upset them. I didn't question them but usually it came out shortly what was bothering them. Nothing bad like this case, usually just something I had to talk to their Dad about. You just know your kids and get into their heads and interpret what they say or don't say.

 

[For The Kids]

Maybe a belief that someone was cheating on someone else (could go either way, in this situation) JMO.

How is people who support Terri will believe the gardener that Terri thought he was cheating and yet not that that she tried to hire someone to kill him? If hes telling the truth about one thing he possibly is about another.

MOO

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

How is people who support Terri will believe the gardener that Terri thought he was cheating and yet not that that she tried to hire someone to kill him? If hes telling the truth about one thing he possibly is about another.

MOO

For me, it is the the cheating has been rumoured elsewhere. MOO

 

[For The Kids]

Sorry. My only reaction to this crap is:

Here comes the next skeleton - and it's Kaine's...

IMO, we can watch for another part of the story to break soon ... the story that explains Terri's motive(s).

NOTHING..and i repeat NOTHING will ever explain Terris motives. Whatever Kaine may or may not have done does NOT give her the reason to do what she has done

:furious:

 

[For The Kids]

We have folks saying Terri deserves to be homeless or worse. If she has done something to Kyron then she deserves the full measure of the law to be thrown on her. But the law says we are innocent until proven guilty. I suppose I am thinking of that.

Sorry if I have offended....

Why should she remain in Kaines house when at the very least she isnt cooperating to find his son?

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

How is people who support Terri will believe the gardener that Terri thought he was cheating and yet not that that she tried to hire someone to kill him? If hes telling the truth about one thing he possibly is about another.

MOO

For me, it is the the cheating has been rumoured elsewhere. MOO

NOTHING..and i repeat NOTHING will ever explain Terris motives. Whatever Kaine may or may not have done does NOT give her the reason to do what she has done

:furious:

IF she did it, and I don't think she did what she is alleged to have done, no of course I don't think anything Kaine may or may not have done excuses it. I was just saying why I believe that part, and, actually not necessarily from anything this LS is supposed to have said.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Why should she remain in Kaines house when at the very least she isnt cooperating to find his son?

It is the marital home, her home, and he is the one who moved out. MOO

 

[21merc7]

Kaine said in the article their marriage started faltering around the time the baby was born.

Kaine and Desiree split up around the time Kyron was born, too. Interesting.

Happy someone else noticed it.

Sorry for all the people involved.

 

[crystalgenie]

Very sad how both of Kaine's marriages soured around the time of pregnancies.

The fact that both marriages soured around the time of the pregnancies isn't sad to me, it's strange actually.

 

[For The Kids]

It is the marital home, her home, and he is the one who moved out. MOO

He owned the house. His child is missing and she wont even help to find him. He HAD to move out because he had been informed sge had maybe tried to take a hit out on him. He has the child with him and he and the child want to return home. IF Kyron is alive he will need his home to return to as well.

 

[grayjay]

"Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it."

So, biodad is all concerned now that TH might have had PPD, but he never bothered to look at her medication, and never bothered to make sure she kept taking it? He claims he was supposed to be 'watching her'. How could he do that if he didn't even know what she was taking?

It's not his place to speak for Terri, and he's shown that he fully understands this over the entire span of interviews. For him to mention the name of one of her prescriptions would be totally inappropriate. So to me, this statement says nothing about his knowledge of her health or of he knowledge in general except maybe of his own boundaries.