Kaine wishes the MFH plot would have gone through

[WhyaDuck?]

I don't understand why Kaine would say he wishes the MFH plot had been successful if he is so insistent that Kyron is alive and will be coming home soon...that makes no sense at all to me...

That's the material message I get from this quote. IMO, there is a big part of him that no longer believes Kyron is alive. (Just judging by the logic he's following in this quote, I mean. MOO.)

 

[cluciano63]

That's the material message I get from this quote. IMO, there is a big part of him that no longer believes Kyron is alive. (Just judging by the logic he's following in this quote, I mean. MOO.)

That is what I am thinking.

 

[palladore]

BBM

That is an extremely unfair question, I agree, and one that really needn't be asked, as I think we can all guess the answer since KH seems to believe TH killed his son.

Forcing him to admit, on record, in clear words, that he regrets ever having the mother of his other child in his life is really unfair to the whole family, IMO.

Nothing like a kick in the ribs when someone is down, eh?

I'm going to be the odd one out and not jump on the kick the press bandwagon. The Willamette Week has had multiple sit down interviews with KH and TH and, at this point, must be running out of questions to ask. KH and TY have been told by law enforcement not to answer questions about the investigation. So, many on this form would respond, why not ask about Kyron? Well, the press has asked about his favorite color, favorite foods, allergies, his toys, what he wanted to be when her grow up, his vacation plans, etc.

The people on this form may have an endless appetite for the details of Kyron’s life, but there is only so much that can be said about the personality and life of a typical seven year old that makes compelling reading for TWW’s general readership. To the media’s credit, reporters have repeatedly asked KH and DY: “Is there anything else you would like the public to know about Kyron?” In the past week the media has resorted to spinning entire articles and news segments around one-line sound bites in an effort to keep the story of Kyron’s disappearance alive. The Willamette Week article reference is this thread is a good example.

As hard as it is for TH and DY to face personal questions, it is going to be a lot harder for them when the day comes – and the day will come soon – when their phones stop ringing and the requests for interviews dry up.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Based on that standard of evidence we must assume that nobody did anything to Kyron as far as we are concerned because everybody in the whole wide world is presumed equally innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I don't think we'll see what proof and evidence LE has until they're ready to for an arrest and a trial, whether it's against Terri or somebody else, so the speculative stuff and all the maybe's are all there is going to be for us to discuss up until then. Maybe there is little point in having threads for unsolved cases at all and it would be more sensible to just talk about the cases that had the proof and the conviction already.

(Just jumping off your post, Donjeta.)

As for me, I value debs' posts not b/c I expect everyone to hold off until trial or conviction, but, b/c, in the interest of "innocent until proven guilty," it's useful for me to have a few people challenging the prevalent opinion of guilt. It just makes for a fuller discussion, for my tastes.

As useless as the discussion would be without suspects, it would also be useless, IMO, to have everyone just agreeing on what a horrible person TMH is without any dissension or questioning, if that makes sense.

Vive la différence!


(MOO, naturally.)

 

[Melanie]

Kaine Horman: I feel responsible. I feel guilty. It’s my job to protect him, it’s my job to be there for him. I was there for him and someone got past and got him on my watch. I’m very upset about it, I’m very emotional about it. It’s not right. It shouldn’t have happened. We all trusted her. I feel partly responsible.

I in a weird way, I almost wish that her plot that she originally put in place [allegedly, to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine] would have gone through, because he would still be here. So I live with that guilt every day, and you know what, I turn it around, and I [make] it into something positive to go help find him. … I’m not saying I feel directly responsible for it, but I feel really guilty about it. And I wish there was anything I could do to change places with him in any way, shape or form. My life to get him back, it doesn’t matter. I would do anything, I would give anything, and I always would. Up to this point I have always been there in that capacity. Anything bad that happens to him, I wish I could shoulder it for him, [that] I could take it away from him. I wish it would come to me instead of him. It just didn’t go that way this time, and I really wish it would have.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-update-kaines-feelings-about-decision-to-marry-stepmom/

I wonder why he believes that if he would have died, Kyron would still be here?

Well it makes sense to me.

Kaine is murdered = TH receives the life insurance and benefits from intel (which are pretty good I imagine)

Kyron = he is returned to DY

TH - is left with a boatload of money, baby K, and she can go on do all the sexting she wants. She can also have all the freedom to meet up with men.

Just MOOO

Mel

 

[Aedrys]

(Just jumping off your post, Donjeta.)

As for me, I value debs' posts not b/c I expect everyone to hold off until trial or conviction, but, b/c, in the interest of "innocent until proven guilty," it's useful for me to have a few people challenging the prevalent opinion of guilt. It just makes for a fuller discussion, for my tastes.

As useless as the discussion would be without suspects, it would also be useless, IMO, to have everyone just agreeing on what a horrible person TMH is without any dissension or questioning, if that makes sense.

Vive la différence!


(MOO, naturally.)

I agree to a certain extent. There are people here that differ in opinion with me, but it's fine and we're able to converse about it. What I don't like is people who can't hold off in a post about a man grieving over his lost son, like he has no right to be grieving, that he wanting to trade his life for his son somehow makes him even more suspicious. There is a time to be talking about what someone said, and there is a time to show decency and sympathy and not let suspicions turn so hateful that even a grieving, sorrowful moment becomes a weapon to use against someone.

Heck, I'd even give the same consideration to TH. I may not like her, I may be suspicious of her, but I see her crying or showing how much she's suffering, I'd be sympathetic about it. As it is, she has chosen to hide and let people speculate while KH and DY show their pain in public. I just don't get why some people have tear someone's else's pain apart like it doesn't matter. They lost their son, and they have every right to speculate and grieve over probably the most traumatic instance in their whole lives.

 

[gibby207]

thank you for this... if all we are to go on is LE statements we would not be discussing a thing... except that

1) have you seen tmh around the school on the morning that kyron vanished

2) this is an isolated incident and no one else needs to be concerned about their children

Exactly!! That's what the word "brainstorming" is about... adding "what if's" to come up with differing conclusions. And isn't "brainstorming" what WS is about?

Sure is hard to brainstorm with what we know for certain. lol

 

[grandmaj]

Let's get back on topic please xoxoxo

 

[Wrinkles]

I guess I don't see how a child is better off with his father having been murdered as the other option. I could see if he expressed regret for not reading the signs better, for not being a more attentive father and husband so that he'd be on track with the signs of a crazed wife (my words but the intent of all of Kaine's words of late are to paint a picture of a crazed woman). I am merely wondering how being dead would be better for Kyron if Kyron were still at home.

So... two options? What is worse in terms of human suffering, and particularly for a parent?

1. Parent is murdered, child must live on (the child gets to live, every parent wants their child to happily live on after them -- they do not want to see their child suffer death) with the pain of the loss of a parent. The child may or may not go to their parent's funeral. If they did, they have learned about the "end of life" -- painful lesson, but they continue on being loved and nurtured. Child gets to go live with the other loving parent and their partner who cares very much about the child. The murdered parent KNEW that the child was cared for at the other parent's home, so their last thought is, "he'll be okay" (if he has time to think a last thought.)

2. Child disappears, parents and no one knows if the child is alive or dead, no one knows if the child was murdered quickly, brutalized to death, or is still living and being brutalized. No one knows where to search to help this child away from their misery (being separated from parents) and/or torture if they are alive. Parents, 3 of them (mother, father, step father) suffer night and day 24/7, day after day, not knowing what to do to find and help the child.

>>I am merely wondering how being dead would be better for Kyron if Kyron were still at home.<<

I think what you are asking is how does Kaine figure that his being dead would be better for Kyron if Kyron was alive. Kaine is consumed in a world of pain, he is merely thinking "I would take torture, pain and death any day rather than to think that one of my children took or is taking it."

Having children, I can relate.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well it makes sense to me.

Kaine is murdered = TH receives the life insurance and benefits from intel (which are pretty good I imagine)

Kyron = he is returned to DY

TH - is left with a boatload of money, baby K, and she can go on do all the sexting she wants. She can also have all the freedom to meet up with men.

Just MOOO

Mel

I think her motive runs much deeper than money.

IMO

 

[cluciano63]

I am sure Kaine believes what he is saying as regards to the pain he is in...I just don't see it going along with "Kyron is alive and will be coming home soon." I think this statement reveals how Kaine really feels as far as where Kyron is and that he deep-down does not think he is alive and will be coming home soon.

That is all that struck me from this article, other than my surprise that he was sitting down with James from ww.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I guess I don't see how a child is better off with his father having been murdered as the other option. I could see if he expressed regret for not reading the signs better, for not being a more attentive father and husband so that he'd be on track with the signs of a crazed wife (my words but the intent of all of Kaine's words of late are to paint a picture of a crazed woman).

You seem to want Kaine to blame himself more - but he says in his statement he would rather be dead than think that Kyron died in his place. That's my interpretation anyway.

I think that's a really strong statement by a suffering father who feels every bit as guilty as many people want him to feel.

I am merely wondering how being dead would be better for Kyron if Kyron were still at home.

Because Kyron would be alive, and he would be safe with his mother and stepfather, and Terri would be out of his life. That seems pretty simple to me. JMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

I am sure Kaine believes what he is saying as regards to the pain he is in...I just don't see it going along with "Kyron is alive and will be coming home soon." I think this statement reveals how Kaine really feels as far as where Kyron is and that he deep-down does not think he is alive and will be coming home soon.

Maybe Kaine says stuff about Kyron being alive so Desiree won't get upset?

There's nothing wrong with them dealing with a possible sad reality, but also clinging to hope.

 

[butwhatif?]

It makes emotional sense, not logical sense. Put on KH's shoes and think about it. A lot of this case is not logical, but emotional. If emotion is constantly discounted for logic, then a lot of things aren't going to make sense. I thought this was a thread about the emotion of the situation, not dissecting a grieving father's words. Can't we just feel sorry for this man and not be so judgmental? I mean really, when it comes to emotions, why is there an expectation that they have to make sense?

I agree about most of this being based on emotions rather than logic.

Right now, I'm glad that he has finally said he feels guilty- as most parents would. It was bothering me that he hadn't said something along those lines, because it's such a normal response, even when you've done nothing to contribute to the loss.

When I look at the totality of the situation it's hard for me personally to ignore the fact that he cheated on his pregnant wife, married the other woman, ignored a whole bunch of red flags and doesn't seem to know a whole lot about who TH was and what she did. And that he downplays his own faults, while parading TH's to every media outlet he can.

I think the reason this bothers me the most is because his statements about TH are likely to inflame her, rather than getting her to fess up, if she does indeed know where Kyron is.

I do feel terrible for him that he has no idea whether his son is alive or dead, or where he is. It's the ultimate nightmare of any parent, and I sympathize with him greatly on that level.

But I still keep thinking that he's far from Mr Perfect, and having a missing child doesn't make him so. I can sympathize with his loss, just not his overall actions, IYKWIM.
JMO

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe Kaine says stuff about Kyron being alive so Desiree won't get upset?

There's nothing wrong with them dealing with a possible sad reality, but also clinging to hope.

No, I agree it is too soon for his parents to consider that he might not be coming back...but LE may have to convince them of that, if he is not found and they want to pursue charges...I think Desiree will be a hard sell.

OT but I do wish they would stop targeting Terri in the media only because it clearly is not helping. It is not going to draw her out.

 

[ThoughtFox]

But I still keep thinking that he's far from Mr Perfect, and having a missing child doesn't make him so. I can sympathize with his loss, just not his overall actions, IYKWIM.
JMO

You shouldn't assume that people who sympathize with Kaine automatically give him gold stars as a father or a husband. He was a cheater, too. He knows he made some horrible choices in life that he will never be able to forget about again.

But he wasn't the one who did something with Kyron. He wasn't the last person in the family to see Kyron alive. That would be someone else.

I think people should cut him a little slack, as they would any other grieving parent of a missing child. Whether any of us like him as a person, he's a victim in this too.

 

[ThoughtFox]

No, I agree it is too soon for his parents to consider that he might not be coming back...but LE may have to convince them of that, if he is not found and they want to pursue charges...I think Desiree will be a hard sell.

OT but I do wish they would stop targeting Terri in the media only because it clearly is not helping. It is not going to draw her out.

Just my opinion, but she is so lawyered up at this point that they are never going to get anything out of her unless they arrest her, and maybe not even then. Terri is out to save Terri at this point. JMO

 

[revampz]

I completely agree!! I never can quite get over how people that are perfectly willing to have an affair and destroy a marriage are so applaud when their spouse turns around and cheats on them. HELLO? Is anyone home?? If you are low enough to cheat w/ a married person you deserve what you get.

I agree.....those comments were interesting..

I think this all shows (if it is true of course that she did the crime) an insight into her personality.......extremely self centred and spiteful.........forgets what she has done!!!.......however I think if this is a crime of revenge and spite......I think the oldest son being sent away because of Kaine not getting on with him tipped her over and put the focus on Kyron.........ie you're having an affair, I cant mother MY son but am still expected to mother YOUR son......I dont think so!.............

Logic would have the rest of us maybe sending Kyron back to his mum...but I am sure Kaine . would have been against this.......

I have just got to say as well......what a awful question for the reporter to ask him.........not professional at all and obviously meant to keep the soap opera alive....(though Kaine and Desiree are also doing a good job at this).....

 

[human]

why do people say Kaine is a control freak?

He went through Terri's drinking; bought her a stang; she's a stay at home mom who does whatever she wants.

How is that being a control freak?

 

[Emeralgem]

No, I agree it is too soon for his parents to consider that he might not be coming back...but LE may have to convince them of that, if he is not found and they want to pursue charges...I think Desiree will be a hard sell.

OT but I do wish they would stop targeting Terri in the media only because it clearly is not helping. It is not going to draw her out.

IMHO..And I doubt they could draw her out even IF they weren't saying anything...JMO