Karr & gender re-assignment & the sex-change clinic -Merged

[BillyGoatGruff]

I'm a psych nurse and in the past we saw a lot of men who were wishing to obtain a sex change. Two yrs ago, while doing more research, and also from a friend of mine, I learned that one is no longer required to seek psychiatric treatment in order to be transgendered. I pretty sure they do still have to live and dress as a female for a year, though.

That speaks more to the plastic surgery lobby trying to give itself work, if you ask me. And I found it rather odd that one of the pyschs they always interview for gender reassignment docs is a transgender his/herself and seems to have a history of rubber stamping the proceedures. Personally, as a natural born woman, I find the idea of guys walking around in woman suits insulting. Esepcially when they deciode to lecture me on what it "means" to be a woman. I always tell them, come back after you've had an abortion or given birth or endured a really bad period or had to fend off a man intent on raping you with a woman's weaker upper body strength and tell me what I already know.

Unless you're someone genuinely born with two sets and the docs tossed a coin with your parents, I consider the whole "gender reassignment" movement a bogus boondoggle bolstered by plastic surgerons desperate for a steady stream of revenue. I can be convinced I was meant to be born black or asian or whatever, and have all kinds of surgery to make me look like I'm from a different ethnnic group, but it still doesn't make me a member of that group or any claim to their expereince. As it is, turns out the vast majority of male-to-females never go the whole way and become true post-ops, so I have to wonder what the point of the whole exercise truly is.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Even if only in his own mind that he is the killer of JonBenet, could he possibly get a sex change thinking that noone would find her killer as a woman? Just a thought....
Reminds me of Silence of the Lambs. The killer was dressed as a woman. Ok.... Maybe I need a break too......
Amy

No, he was dressed IN a woman.

And he's Capt. Stottlemeyer on MONK now.

 

[dragonfly707]

On the surface JMK has exhibited quite a bit of abnormal behavior if we are to believe some of the things we have been able to deduce from his escapades on the Internet, his ready confession before cameras, and at least some of what the press has been able to uncover regarding him.

It is quite possible that his seeking plastic surgery and gender reassignment in Thailand has absolutely nothing to do with gender dysphoria at all. It could quite possibly be further proof of his continued obsession with JonBenet. There was a Kaley Davidson (former student of his interviewed in Hamilton Al.) who feels that JMK showed special interest in her because at the time she resembled JB. Perhaps the ultimate for JMK, was to look like his "beloved".

Truly abnormal behavior, but then again could there really be anything surprising about this individual?

 

[Lauren]

For some gut reason at this hour, I do not believe Karr is the one. I think they hope it is. Once in the states stories will change. Insanity, Transgender, stupidy, pedophilia, whatever. I still don't believe 100% it's him.

 

[Cypros]

Ewwww...well, we all thought it...but ewwwwww. I wonder why? I mean, he's obviously a pedophile but seems to focus on little girls...why become a girl himself?

He is one sick puppy.

Is there any evidence in yet that Karr is , in fact, a pedophile? In other words, is he known to have fondled or molested any children? I am thinking that his fascination with little girls -- pretty little girls -- may be more of wanting to BE them than to have sex with them. In this case, I can see how all of the images of the beauty queen, JonBenet, after her death would draw his attention to her case. Polly Klass was also very pretty and feminine. Karr's possession of child could fit into this as well in that he could have been looking at the little girls' bodies, fanticizing about his own body apeparing this way.

Just one possibility that may be considered.

 

[panthera]

I'm not sure how it works in Thailand but anyone in the US has to see a psychiatrist before embarking on this and then must live as the sex they wish to transgender to for one year. This gender dismorphia is considered a medical decision (for lack of a better word). It's not done on a whim. These people have had extensive testing and show that they have a "male" or "female" brain function. So, that being said I would think he would be provided those hormones while incarcerated just like he would for any other medical condition. Once a person goes on the hormones it tends to cause them to be on an emotional roller coaster and I would think they would want to keep him as sane and calm as possible in order to question him.
Like I said though that's how it works in the US; not sure what they do in Thailand.

So, he'd still be able to take the hormones now, even in custody. Just wondering what would happen to him if the DNA doesn't match or it's determined he doesn't have any involvement in the Ramsey murder? Would he be allowed to return to Thailand to complete the surgery? Or what?

 

[panthera]

Is there any evidence in yet that Karr is , in fact, a pedophile? In other words, is he known to have fondled or molested any children? I am thinking that his fascination with little girls -- pretty little girls -- may be more of wanting to BE them than to have sex with them. In this case, I can see how all of the images of the beauty queen, JonBenet, after her death would draw his attention to her case. Polly Klass was also very pretty and feminine. Karr's possession of child could fit into this as well in that he could have been looking at the little girls' bodies, fanticizing about his own body apeparing this way.

Just one possibility that may be considered.

After hearing of this gender reassignment surgery this morning, I agree. He wants to be female and would fantasize as being one. This isn't just something he's using as an "excuse" now to avoid misdemeanor child possession charges.

 

[scandi]

I do agree that 10 years ago he might have had a strapping body and a normal male countenance {sp}, but even back at that time those school principals noticed he was not normal for whatever reasons they stated so carefully.

I think Karr was never comfortable as a man and felt he really was female. The transgender phenom is a personal issue and a medical condition that is treatable. Being fixated on little girls, cuddling and bathing them, etc. while believing you were dealt the wrong body for what you really think you are is not normal if is is obsessive. Add to that the fascination of dead beautiful little girls and you have a totally screwed up man who really thinks of himself as a woman and their mother, but sexually sadistic as well, and that puts him into a deep and serious psychological classification that is so dangerous to any little girls around him. Just my take on him.

Even if he didn't kill JonBenet, everyone should be thanikful this guy is off the street and will get whatever help he needs. I just hope that help doesn't include finishing his sex change operation. That would pi** me off royally!

Scandi

 

[HarvestMoon]

Is there any evidence in yet that Karr is , in fact, a pedophile? In other words, is he known to have fondled or molested any children? I am thinking that his fascination with little girls -- pretty little girls -- may be more of wanting to BE them than to have sex with them. In this case, I can see how all of the images of the beauty queen, JonBenet, after her death would draw his attention to her case. Polly Klass was also very pretty and feminine. Karr's possession of child could fit into this as well in that he could have been looking at the little girls' bodies, fanticizing about his own body apeparing this way.

Just one possibility that may be considered.

I agree, and have been thinking the very same thing. I've not heard of him actually molesting anyone.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I do agree that 10 years ago he might have had a strapping body and a normal male countenance {sp}, but even back at that time those school principals noticed he was not normal for whatever reasons they stated so carefully.

I think Karr was never comfortable as a man and felt he really was female. The transgender phenom is a personal issue and a medical condition that is treatable. Being fixated on little girls, cuddling and bathing them, etc. while believing you were dealt the wrong body for what you really think you are is not normal if is is obsessive. Add to that the fascination of dead beautiful little girls and you have a totally screwed up man who really thinks of himself as a woman and their mother, but sexually sadistic as well, and that puts him into a deep and serious psychological classification that is so dangerous to any little girls around him. Just my take on him.

Even if he didn't kill JonBenet, everyone should be thanikful this guy is off the street and will get whatever help he needs. I just hope that help doesn't include finishing his sex change operation. That would pi** me off royally!

Scandi

I'm just afraid that after all is said and done he will be tossed out on the streets with no help being given to him.

 

[lighthouselover]

Personally, with all the backtracking the Thai officials have done since this news broke, I have a problem believing ANY of this sex-change stuff. It seems that they have paraded him around like the Elephant Man, yukking it up for the camera and everybody there has a story to tell, even though they probably never even met the guy.

And no, other than the 2001 misdemeanor charges, nobody in LE has come out and said that he was wanted for anything else or had ever been charged with anything else.

This is one mixed up dude, but a killer....I don't think so. I mean, wouldn't he have been looking at child FIRST and then possibly progressed to killing, not the other way around?

Just IMO though.

 

[JBean]

Personally, with all the backtracking the Thai officials have done since this news broke, I have a problem believing ANY of this sex-change stuff. It seems that they have paraded him around like the Elephant Man, yukking it up for the camera and everybody there has a story to tell, even though they probably never even met the guy.

And no, other than the 2001 misdemeanor charges, nobody in LE has come out and said that he was wanted for anything else or had ever been charged with anything else.

This is one mixed up dude, but a killer....I don't think so. I mean, wouldn't he have been looking at child FIRST and then possibly progressed to killing, not the other way around?

Just IMO though.

I don't believe what the Thai officials say either. but this report says info came from the Gender Bender facility itself:

Staff at the Pratunam Clinic, Thailand's top transgender center, told the Daily News yesterday that 41-year-old John Mark Karr was a patient of theirs - but wouldn't say how close he was to getting "sexual reassignment" surgery

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/445130p-374806c.html



It certainly doesn't make it so, but at least it wasn't info from Suwat.

 

[windovervocalcords]

It doesn't make sense. Any of it. But he makes a bizarre character not unlike someone in Silence of the Lambs.

I still think it was an inside job.

 

[kazzbar]

In one of the photos, I saw yesterday, there's a large bulge in his pants.
My first thoughts were it's a large bandage/dressing.

Could the surgery already have been started?

oh, good grief.Maybe he was excited !:doh:

 

[lighthouselover]

I don't believe what the Thai officials say either. but this report says info came from the Gender Bender facility itself:

Staff at the Pratunam Clinic, Thailand's top transgender center, told the Daily News yesterday that 41-year-old John Mark Karr was a patient of theirs - but wouldn't say how close he was to getting "sexual reassignment" surgery

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/445130p-374806c.html



It certainly doesn't make it so, but at least it wasn't info from Suwat.

That's what I'm saying, everybody in Thailand wants their own 15 minutes. I mean, seriously, other than the $$ savings, he *could* have gone there for the privacy aspect too. Do they not have any laws against violating patient confidentiality?

It just makes me crazy.

On the other hand, he could have seriously wanted to go from being "John" to being "JonBenet".

*throwing up hands in exasperation*

 

[scandi]

Hi Kazzbar,

In that photo they showed on TV of him with his 3 sons, it looked like he had a big bulge as well.

And then I went to the grocery store today and saw this perfect tomato. I picked it up and noticed it had this strange little growth of tomato on it up by the stem. I thought gee, that almost looks like an erect penis! Since it was the best tomato there I decided it would do. In taking it through the check stand, in front of a whole bunch of people, the clerk picked it up and held it out for all to see, saying he thought this tomato was probably going to get a Bobbit whack job. I couldn't believe he said that, but what else could we do but all start laughing in uproarious laughter, which we did. Oh, it was really funny, and at New Seasons too, the great natural food store.

Scandi

 

[JBean]

That's what I'm saying, everybody in Thailand wants their own 15 minutes. I mean, seriously, other than the $$ savings, he *could* have gone there for the privacy aspect too. Do they not have any laws against violating patient confidentiality?

It just makes me crazy.

On the other hand, he could have seriously wanted to go from being "John" to being "JonBenet".

*throwing up hands in exasperation*

Generally speaking, I think Thailand draws a lot of people looking for this surgery.
With that being said, you are on target regarding the 15 minutes.

Who knows what the truth is.

 

[BirdieBoo]

Hi Kazzbar,

In that photo they showed on TV of him with his 3 sons, it looked like he had a big bulge as well.

And then I went to the grocery store today and saw this perfect tomato. I picked it up and noticed it had this strange little growth of tomato on it up by the stem. I thought gee, that almost looks like an erect penis! Since it was the best tomato there I decided it would do. In taking it through the check stand, in front of a whole bunch of people, the clerk picked it up and held it out for all to see, saying he thought this tomato was probably going to get a Bobbit whack job. I couldn't believe he said that, but what else could we do but all start laughing in uproarious laughter, which we did. Oh, it was really funny, and at New Seasons too, the great natural food store.

Scandi

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! The best tomato there looked like an erect penis!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

OK...back to our normally scheduled programming

 

[kazzbar]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! The best tomato there looked like an erect penis!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

OK...back to our normally scheduled programming

Ha, HA. Waiting for news on T.v saying Karr is back in the land of the Yanky, Doodle Dandy. Must say that he looked pretty 'normal' when I saw him leave thailand.Personally, I think he is a really mixed up guy ( erh. this sounds like a dumb understatement). Thanks for the laugh.

 

[BloodshotEye]

Who is Financing His Doctor Visits?
Reports of this "re-assignment" surgery, and his status as a "patient", suggests a whole new set of questions. Not the least of which is, where is he getting the money. A number of us have asked the money question here, on various threads. Yea, treatment in Thailand is less expensive. But JMKarr does not appear to be generating a reliable revenue stream.

This calls to mind, the Shasta Groene case, and that sick sob by the name of Joseph Edward Duncan. And we wondered allowed, "who was giving him the money for bail, travel to Florida, etc. etc." Our radar ping-ed big time. Many of us suspected that someone, likely a "very special friend" with similar obsessions, was giving him money. And of course, we find out there was a doctor, and another professional person, who were "acquainted" with Duncan, and gave him money/paid his bail.

I don't think it is any surprise, that pedo-freaks know how to prevail upon others, who are like them, and have money. They know how to con adults as well as children. And maybe the con is a little bit of extorsion as well

I think JMKarr, has a few very special friends, who have money. He presents himself as being a tutor/nanny for families. I am guessing that this is how he gains "access" to well-heeled individuals, who have similar obsessions.