Kate's bruised arm

[thentherewere4]

The bruise was the result of Gerry not telling Kate where David Payne had hidden the body.

 

[Barnaby]

I think the bruise is significant. I really believe that Kate wants to tell the truth, whatever that truth is, and Gerry is holding her back. Unfair in my mind. I have believed that since the very first video done by Sky News. To me, it was obvious that K&G had "words" before the filming of that video and I think those "words" continued for awhile. I believe Kate has something to say and her insistence that she be allowed to say whatever it is, is what that bruise is based on. My opinion only and no I don't have a source, just my own reading of the personal "interplay" between G&K in those many videos we have had the opportunity to watch.

Salem

I totally agree!

The bruise was the result of Gerry not telling Kate where David Payne had hidden the body.

Why do you think that it was Payne who hid the body? I would be feeling it was more likely to be O'Brien or Oldfield. Reports are telling us that the Paynes have told the truth so would this not rule them out from being directly involved?

 

[thentherewere4]

David Payne is Gerrys closest and most loyal Tapas.Kates relationship with Fiona is special and the prioximity (drivetime 20mins) of the 2 families in Leicestershire and the admitted get togethers that the 2 families have shared is no secret.
Payne was seen leaving the Mark Warner Ocean Club complex at 4:00 am on the morning of 4th May 2007 heading off in the direction of the church....with Gerry.

 

[Salem]

But they were not seen carrying a child. This is speculation, good speculation, but speculation nonetheless. It would not be so unusual for a friend to accompany a grieving parent to the church to pray, or maybe to look for Maddie, see if she had wandered in that direction.

I know that the media reports we get must be screened with much salt , but it makes sense to me that it is the Paynes and Ms. Webster, especially Ms. Webster, that would give a true accounting of what happened that night to the best of their knowledge. This makes me think that Payne, even if he is Gerry's closest friend, may not know the whole story.

Salem

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

The Paynes left their child/ren unattended as well, even with Granny along. Mrs. Webster is no better than the rest. She is definitely no saint. Didn't bother her to go get "tanked" and leave her grandbaby to fend for her/himself. Even with a "baby monitor", there is no way they could have run back to the apartment to save a child from a deadly accident. What ever is going on with that group, it is a powerful force working their easily manipulated narrow minds. More powerful than the love and respect of their flesh and blood, their precious helpless young children. SOMETHING was more important than their children...for ALL OF THEM. They are all losers, every last one of them...In my humble oppenion as always.

 

[Salem]

I'm not going to disagree with you IW. I'm just thinking if anyone is going to tell the truth at any point in time, it would probably be the "grandmother." I'm hoping she feels guilty as h*ll for not putting her foot down when the kids wanted to leave the baby unattended (providing she's not the one who convinced them to do such a thing). Also, she is not a doctor and does not appear to have a career/job that would be ruined if the truth came out. I'm thinking she doesn't have as much at risk as the others..... As you say, there certainly was something more important than the children during that whole week. Boggles the mind

Salem

 

[thentherewere4]

The "Grandmother " is Dianne Webster and she has a career. She is a qualified Public Accounts Auditor, works for the NAO and is a credit controller in her home town of Bedford.

 

[Barnaby]

The Paynes left their child/ren unattended as well, even with Granny along. Mrs. Webster is no better than the rest. She is definitely no saint. Didn't bother her to go get "tanked" and leave her grandbaby to fend for her/himself. Even with a "baby monitor", there is no way they could have run back to the apartment to save a child from a deadly accident. What ever is going on with that group, it is a powerful force working their easily manipulated narrow minds. More powerful than the love and respect of their flesh and blood, their precious helpless young children. SOMETHING was more important than their children...for ALL OF THEM. They are all losers, every last one of them...In my humble oppenion as always.

I agree with you on this one IW, Granny is no better than the rest. No way would I allow my children to leave their children unattended. If they were ever foolish enough to even think about it, I would stay behind & babysit rather than leave the children at risk. Of course my kids would not do that they have been raised to care & be responsible which obviously none of the Tapas morons were so yes Diane Webster must take responsibility for not preventing this negligent action & for not instilling some decent principles into her daughter!

 

[teacherbees]

so yes Diane Webster must take responsibility for not preventing this negligent action & for not instilling some decent principles into her daughter![/QUOTE]

And unless she was chained into a closet, she must take responsibility for knowing there were babies left alone and not going to stay with them herself.

If I had raised the kind of irresponsible, reprehensible offspring who would allow my grandchildren (or any child) to fend for themselves, I'd at least be standing in the gap and looking after the defenseless babies instead of partying along with the jerks who should've been taking care of their own.

They're all despicable and selfish for putting their own interests over the welfare of sick and scared babies.

 

[Barnaby]

so yes Diane Webster must take responsibility for not preventing this negligent action & for not instilling some decent principles into her daughter!

And unless she was chained into a closet, she must take responsibility for knowing there were babies left alone and not going to stay with them herself.

If I had raised the kind of irresponsible, reprehensible offspring who would allow my grandchildren (or any child) to fend for themselves, I'd at least be standing in the gap and looking after the defenseless babies instead of partying along with the jerks who should've been taking care of their own.

They're all despicable and selfish for putting their own interests over the welfare of sick and scared babies.[/quote]

Yes & time that someone from an agency like Social Services who are supposed to protect children bloodywell stood up & said this instead of approving their actions by their silence!

 

[thentherewere4]

If it's of any interest Murat sat in on Websters testimony with the PJ.His lawyer said this is the only police interview that he sat in on, he wasn't in the same room as Pennington and the nannies when they gave their statements to the PJ.
I wonder why he sat in on this particular interview and none of the nannies ?
Language was not a problem,the inspector said he was able to understand the nannies (accent not vocabulary)perfectly and Murats services as translator were therefor not required.Dianne Webster is from the Midlands and as such I would have thought that her pronunciation would be more easy to follow than the agitated mockney/estuary that the nannies would have spoken.
As the inspector had no need of an interpretor for the nannies why suddenly did he feel the need to have Murat translate for this educated slower speaking older woman ?
Did Murat have an agenda ?

 

[thentherewere4]

Maybe Gerry did bruise her arm when she returned to the Tapas Bar to tell him maddie was missing. He grabbed her arm to calm her or stop her from moving so he could get more info from her. I would image she was probably histerical when she returned to the Bar and screamed what she scream and started to run back to the room.

This is JMO

1."He grabbed her arm to calm her or stop her from moving so he could get more info from her....."
1.He grabbed her arm to restrain her from telling the world what had really happened.

2."I would image she was probably hysterical when she returned to the Bar and screamed what she scream and started to run back to the room".
2. No one has described Kate as being hysterical on that night.