Kathleen Savio's Death #1

[SeriouslySearching]

Very interesting theory and quite plausible. I don't think he left and came back tho. I think he hurriedly set up the scene and forgot about the blood not being diluted by the water on the tub. He probably forgot to lay out a towel, robe, or other essentials to show she was readying herself to soak in the tub, too. These things will be further proof this was no accident. (Who was with the children while he was doing all of this? One of the oldest kids? A neighbor?)

 

[mysteriew]

Gory alert!

For her body to be moved to the tub and placed in the position she was found. Rigor must have passed. Or there are broken bones or joints that weren't reported in the autopsy. Would that be correct thinking?

Good thinking. How long does it take rigor to pass? Isn't it something like 12 hours?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder how long the autopsy will take before we get some answers to those very questions?

 

[SuziQ]

Very interesting theory and quite plausible. I don't think he left and came back tho. I think he hurriedly set up the scene and forgot about the blood not being diluted by the water on the tub. He probably forgot to lay out a towel, robe, or other essentials to show she was readying herself to soak in the tub, too. These things will be further proof this was no accident. (Who was with the children while he was doing all of this? One of the oldest kids? A neighbor?)

She layed on her stomach for at least 6 hours to let lividity set in. Then she was moved to a sitting position in the tub.

 

[mysteriew]

I wonder how long the autopsy will take before we get some answers to those very questions?

Did you see what Wecht said about the autopsy?

 

[SuziQ]

Good thinking. How long does it take rigor to pass? Isn't it something like 12 hours?

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0841910.html

(snip)
The state of rigor usually lasts about 24 hours or until muscle decomposition takes place by acid formation.

 

[mysteriew]

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0841910.html

(snip)
The state of rigor usually lasts about 24 hours or until muscle decomposition takes place by acid formation.

So she could have died at least a full day before she was found.

 

[SuziQ]

So she could have died at least a full day before she was found.

That's what it sounds like to me anyways.

 

[mysteriew]

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0841910.html

(snip)
The state of rigor usually lasts about 24 hours or until muscle decomposition takes place by acid formation.

Wait he could have done it that day

The onset may vary from about 10 min to several hours

 

[SuziQ]

Also the only thing in her stomach was brownish liquid. Morning coffee?

 

[SuziQ]

Wait he could have done it that day

The onset may vary from about 10 min to several hours

She layed on her stomach long enough to get lividity to the front of her body. At least sevaral hours. But by then she would have been in rigor. Can't place a body in a sitting position while in rigor. So she must have been moved after rigor passed.

 

[STEADFAST]

Do we know what his alibi times were -- for that day and the day before?

 

[mysteriew]

LAFD gives a different timeline

Lividity occurs gradually, but not less than 30 min. Very noticable after 4 hours and darkest after 8-12 hours

Rigor mortis onset within 2 hours but is gradual. Full onset within 10-12 hours. Gone by 48 hours.

http://www.lafdtraining.org/ists/tb100v0395.pdf

 

[mysteriew]

Do we know what his alibi times were -- for that day and the day before?

I haven't seen it anywhere

 

[Indy Gal]

http://www.dplylemd.com/Articles/timelydeath.html


Rigor Mortis:
Rigor mortis is the the stiffening and contraction of the muscles due to chemical reactions that take place in the muscle cells after death.
It typically follows a predictable pattern. Rigidity begins in the small muscles of the face and neck and progresses downward in a “head-to-toe” fashion to the larger muscles. The entire process takes about 8-12 hours. At that time, the body is completely stiff and is “fixed” in the position of death. Then, the process reverses itself, with rigidity being lost in the same fashion, beginning with the small muscles and progressing to the larger ones. This process begins 18 to 36 hours after death and is usually complete within 48 hours. So, rigor is only useful in the first 48 to 60 hours after death.
The reason for the rigidity, is the loss of adenosine triphosphate, or ATP, from the muscles. ATP is the compound that serves as energy for muscular activity and it’s presence and stability depend upon a steady supply of oxygen and nutrients, which are lost with the cessation of cardiac activity. The later loss of rigidity and the appearance of flaccidity (relaxation) of the muscles, occurs when the muscle tissue itself begins to decompose.
Rigor is one of the least reliable methods for determining time of death because it is extremely variable. Heat quickens the process, while cold slows it. Obese people may not develop rigor, while in thin victims it tends to occur rapidly. If the victim struggled before death and consumed much of his muscular ATP, the process is hastened.

 

[cheko1]

In her autopsy report it said there was no rigor mortis......will go check on it

 

[Tom'sGirl]

In her autopsy report it said there was no rigor mortis......will go check on it

Says on 1st page: Rigor mortis is absent.

 

[SuziQ]

LAFD gives a different timeline

Lividity occurs gradually, but not less than 30 min. Very noticable after 4 hours and darkest after 8-12 hours

Rigor mortis onset within 2 hours but is gradual. Full onset within 10-12 hours. Gone by 48 hours.

http://www.lafdtraining.org/ists/tb100v0395.pdf

So how long of a timeline are we looking at for lividity to have set in and rigor to leave so Drew could move her body from a laying to sitting position?

 

[SuziQ]

Indy, this from your post is interesting.

If the victim struggled before death and consumed much of his muscular ATP, the process is hastened
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so rigor could have passed quickly

 

[cheko1]

Says on 1st page: Rigor mortis is absent.

Thanks Tom'sGirl!!!! I knew I'd seen it there.....

So do you'se think she was past the stage of rigor mortis?