KidFinders ~ Have the EVER found a kid?

[TURBOTHINK]

Thanks, SS. We've traveled down this path before. Those who need to know have been made aware of this group.

True, but there is an avenue not explored. That is the federal avenue. There is also the state legislative avenue. Neither of them have been notified yet.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

im wondering if the anthonys are giving them money ? mabey they are duping them ? my god mabey the a's are being played bigtime and this whole mess is because of that kfn

This entire triangle or quadangle or something has me in a tail spin today looking up things. NLH does not have a 501(3) C charity and says they are "covered" under another one which they won't disclose,

KFN owners are in Orlando selling T-shirts, but their home was foreclosed in south Fla. just recently. Milstead the owner of KFN has a rap sheet as long as your arm, including impersonating a police officer and writing bad checks.

The two companies who put up rewards for the return are the same ones who gave big expensive cars and trips in a raffle, but yet I can't find where they are registered with the state and are neither non-profits - There is no record of the "winners" being provided to the state as the law requires.

Then we have one of those car and aircraft companies evidently "out of business" because they are listed with the state is inactive, which means their corporation is no longer good.

And they are giving a $12,500 check to Tim?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Never Lose Hope is registered to have a 501c3
http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=100979939

But it doesn't. So they need to investigate that.

 

[reefshadow]

Very early this morning IIRC someone found that tax-exempt organizations don't have to abide by the same rules. The question truly is- does the NFLH have charitable status. Also, isn't MN somehow connected to this organization? How did all these players appear on the scene. If the As were solicited by them, then they may not have a clue as to what's really going on. This information needs to be made public then for many reasons. JMO

ETA: there has to be a way we can find out if the prizes were awarded. I would imagine the car co. would take photos of the prize winners. Local media might want to do a follow-up with them (SA). Anyone with any connections down in Florida?

I thought that too, but the page I linked doesn't seem to exclude charities from the rules, in fact it seems like the whole section is specifically addressing charitable organizations:

"(b) "Organization" means an organization which is exempt from federal income taxation pursuant to 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), or (19), and which has a current determination letter from the Internal Revenue Service, and its bona fide members or officers.

(2) The provisions of s. 849.09 shall not be construed to prohibit an organization qualified under 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), or (19) from conducting drawings by chance pursuant to the authority granted by this section, provided the organization has complied with all applicable provisions of chapter 496."

In the "definitions" (section B) it is defining "organization" as a 501. Many of the rules that I pasted from the section use the term "organization", which have been defined in section b.

I think it is defining the rules for charities in particular. Doesn't "pursuant to" mean that everything in the statute applies?

Any lawyers out there to chime in?

 

[reefshadow]

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The two companies who put up rewards for the return are the same ones who gave big expensive cars and trips in a raffle, but yet I can't find where they are registered with the state and are neither non-profits - There is no record of the "winners" being provided to the state as the law requires.

Then we have one of those car and aircraft companies evidently "out of business" because they are listed with the state is inactive, which means their corporation is no longer good.

Yes, this is what I discovered last night.

If you Google Peter Benevides you'll come up with so many pages it is boggling. I got to page 4 of links and had to give up, it was 3 in the morning. If it has to do with soccer, it's another PB. If it has to do with real estate, businesses in Florida, or articles about shady business it is most likely "our" Peter.

Did you also notice that the defunct aviation division wasn't in his name in any case? I can't find any record for Skyview Rentals, either in Peters name of anyone else's.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Yes, this is what I discovered last night.

If you Google Peter Benevides you'll come up with so many pages it is boggling. I got to page 4 of links and had to give up, it was 3 in the morning. If it has to do with soccer, it's another PB. If it has to do with real estate, businesses in Florida, or articles about shady business it is most likely "our" Peter.

Did you also notice that the defunct aviation division wasn't in his name in any case? I can't find any record for Skyview Rentals, either in Peters name of anyone else's.

State of Florida Incorporation Record for Skyview Aviation, Inc.
State: FL
State #: V09227
Filing Type: Domestic for Profit
Created: 1/24/1992
Status: Inactive

Officers

Evans, Thomas
1559 Silversmith Pl
Orlando, FL 32818

Thornton, Maryjane
1559 Silversmith Pl
Orlando, FL 32818

1559 Silversmith Pl Orlando, FL 32818

Companies at this address
Evans, Thomas
Skyview Aviation, Inc. Orlando Florida
Thornton, Maryjane

 

[LI_Mom]

Yes, this is what I discovered last night.

If you Google Peter Benevides you'll come up with so many pages it is boggling. I got to page 4 of links and had to give up, it was 3 in the morning. If it has to do with soccer, it's another PB. If it has to do with real estate, businesses in Florida, or articles about shady business it is most likely "our" Peter.

Did you also notice that the defunct aviation division wasn't in his name in any case? I can't find any record for Skyview Rentals, either in Peters name of anyone else's.

I bet people like John Walsh & Marc Klaas would know for sure what these 2 organizations are all about because they're in the business of being REAL advocates for missing children & would need this info to warn families against potential scams.

 

[Gaia713]

This entire triangle or quadangle or something has me in a tail spin today looking up things. NLH does not have a 501(3) C charity and says they are "covered" under another one which they won't disclose,

KFN owners are in Orlando selling T-shirts, but their home was foreclosed in south Fla. just recently. Milstead the owner of KFN has a rap sheet as long as your arm, including impersonating a police officer and writing bad checks.

The two companies who put up rewards for the return are the same ones who gave big expensive cars and trips in a raffle, but yet I can't find where they are registered with the state and are neither non-profits - There is no record of the "winners" being provided to the state as the law requires.

Then we have one of those car and aircraft companies evidently "out of business" because they are listed with the state is inactive, which means their corporation is no longer good.

And they are giving a $12,500 check to Tim?

OMG, I hope Tim cashed the check already before they went out of business.

 

[drip~drop]

My question is this: Are the Anthony's this stupid? Or are they in on the scam?

Can you make that a poll question?

 

[reefshadow]

State of Florida Incorporation Record for Skyview Aviation, Inc.
State: FL
State #: V09227
Filing Type: Domestic for Profit
Created: 1/24/1992
Status: Inactive

Officers

Evans, Thomas
1559 Silversmith Pl
Orlando, FL 32818

Thornton, Maryjane
1559 Silversmith Pl
Orlando, FL 32818

1559 Silversmith Pl Orlando, FL 32818

Companies at this address
Evans, Thomas
Skyview Aviation, Inc. Orlando Florida
Thornton, Maryjane

Exactly!

Now who are these people and do they have any connection to KFN, NLH, or PB?

 

[reefshadow]

This entire triangle or quadangle or something has me in a tail spin today looking up things. NLH does not have a 501(3) C charity and says they are "covered" under another one which they won't disclose

Respectfully snipped.

Don't they HAVE to disclose their umbrella charity?

 

[Meemom]

Regardless of what may have prevoiusly been sent to news orgs., etc. I feel this is too important to just let go of. Fake charities are the worst of the worst, and if that is the case with KFN & NLHF, then it needs to have attention thrown at it. I emailed Anderson Cooper 360, asking to have one of their producers review the info uncovered here at Websleuths and investigate. Especially since Cnn's own NG is so involved in the case. Hopefully they will look in to this.

Basically, I just want to encourage others to get this info out to the media, don't give up or expect others to do it for you. Poor Caylee has been taken advantage of enough!

 

[RR0004]

But it doesn't. So they need to investigate that.

This is where the problem lies. Does MN work for them? How did he become so closely linked to all this?

 

[RR0004]

Regardless of what may have prevoiusly been sent to news orgs., etc. I feel this is too important to just let go of. Fake charities are the worst of the worst, and if that is the case with KFN & NLHF, then it needs to have attention thrown at it. I emailed Anderson Cooper 360, asking to have one of their producers review the info uncovered here at Websleuths and investigate. Especially since Cnn's own NG is so involved in the case. Hopefully they will look in to this.

Basically, I just want to encourage others to get this info out to the media, don't give up or expect others to do it for you. Poor Caylee has been taken advantage of enough!

ITA...agree! But, Florida residents especially need to be warned.

 

[RR0004]

I thought that too, but the page I linked doesn't seem to exclude charities from the rules, in fact it seems like the whole section is specifically addressing charitable organizations:

"(b) "Organization" means an organization which is exempt from federal income taxation pursuant to 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), or (19), and which has a current determination letter from the Internal Revenue Service, and its bona fide members or officers.

(2) The provisions of s. 849.09 shall not be construed to prohibit an organization qualified under 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), or (19) from conducting drawings by chance pursuant to the authority granted by this section, provided the organization has complied with all applicable provisions of chapter 496."

In the "definitions" (section B) it is defining "organization" as a 501. Many of the rules that I pasted from the section use the term "organization", which have been defined in section b.

I think it is defining the rules for charities in particular. Doesn't "pursuant to" mean that everything in the statute applies?

Any lawyers out there to chime in?

Excellent point!

 

[RR0004]

This entire triangle or quadangle or something has me in a tail spin today looking up things. NLH does not have a 501(3) C charity and says they are "covered" under another one which they won't disclose,

KFN owners are in Orlando selling T-shirts, but their home was foreclosed in south Fla. just recently. Milstead the owner of KFN has a rap sheet as long as your arm, including impersonating a police officer and writing bad checks.

The two companies who put up rewards for the return are the same ones who gave big expensive cars and trips in a raffle, but yet I can't find where they are registered with the state and are neither non-profits - There is no record of the "winners" being provided to the state as the law requires.

Then we have one of those car and aircraft companies evidently "out of business" because they are listed with the state is inactive, which means their corporation is no longer good.

And they are giving a $12,500 check to Tim?

Was the contest promoted by both KFN and the NLHF?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Respectfully snipped.

Don't they HAVE to disclose their umbrella charity?

In my state it ALL has to be disclosed and open to the public. I am not sure about Florida

 

[RR0004]

My question is this: Are the Anthony's this stupid? Or are they in on the scam?

Somewhere along the way, I believe they must have become aware of the questions about KFN. They're prowling sites just like this one looking for info. I wouldn't even be surprised if they've actually put someone on "staff" to keep the pulse of public opinion.

 

[reefshadow]

OK, I looked at ALL Florida statutes regarding every type of lottery, raffle, and all gambling.

I am sure that I'm correct in my assessment that the rules I posted above DO apply to charities. There are two separate sets of rules for charities and private corporations or entities.

Sorry, this is going to be long.

This is for charities:

"849.0935 Charitable, nonprofit organizations; drawings by chance; required disclosures; unlawful acts and practices; penalties.--

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Drawing by chance" or "drawing" means an enterprise in which, from the entries submitted by the public to the organization conducting the drawing, one or more entries are selected by chance to win a prize. The term "drawing" does not include those enterprises, commonly known as "matching," "instant winner," or "preselected sweepstakes," which involve the distribution of winning numbers, previously designated as such, to the public.

(b) "Organization" means an organization which is exempt from federal income taxation pursuant to 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), or (19), and which has a current determination letter from the Internal Revenue Service, and its bona fide members or officers.

(2) The provisions of s. 849.09 shall not be construed to prohibit an organization qualified under 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), or (19) from conducting drawings by chance pursuant to the authority granted by this section, provided the organization has complied with all applicable provisions of chapter 496.

(3) All brochures, advertisements, notices, tickets, or entry blanks used in connection with a drawing by chance shall conspicuously disclose:

(a) The rules governing the conduct and operation of the drawing.

(b) The full name of the organization and its principal place of business.

(c) The source of the funds used to award cash prizes or to purchase prizes.

(d) The date, hour, and place where the winner will be chosen and the prizes will be awarded, unless the brochures, advertisements, notices, tickets, or entry blanks are not offered to the public more than 3 days prior to the drawing.

(e) That no purchase or contribution is necessary.

(4) It is unlawful for any organization which, pursuant to the authority granted by this section, promotes, operates, or conducts a drawing by chance:

(a) To design, engage in, promote, or conduct any drawing in which the winner is predetermined by means of matching, instant win, or preselected sweepstakes or otherwise or in which the selection of the winners is in any way rigged;

(b) To require an entry fee, donation, substantial consideration, payment, proof of purchase, or contribution as a condition of entering the drawing or of being selected to win a prize. However, this provision shall not prohibit an organization from suggesting a minimum donation or from including a statement of such suggested minimum donation on any printed material utilized in connection with the fundraising event or drawing;

(c) To condition the drawing on a minimum number of tickets having been disbursed to contributors or on a minimum amount of contributions having been received;

(d) To arbitrarily remove, disqualify, disallow, or reject any entry or to discriminate in any manner between entrants who gave contributions to the organization and those who did not give such contributions;

(e) To fail to promptly notify, at the address set forth on the entry blank, any person, whose entry is selected to win, of the fact that he or she won;

(f) To fail to award all prizes offered;

(g) To print, publish, or circulate literature or advertising material used in connection with the drawing which is false, deceptive, or misleading;

(h) To cancel a drawing; or

(i) To condition the acquisition or giveaway of any prize upon the receipt of voluntary donations or contributions.

(5) The organization conducting the drawing may limit the number of tickets distributed to each drawing entrant.

(6) A violation of this section is a deceptive and unfair trade practice.

(7) Any organization which engages in any act or practice in violation of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. However, any organization or other person who sells or offers for sale in this state a ticket or entry blank for a raffle or other drawing by chance, without complying with the requirements of paragraph (3)(d), is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable by fine only as provided in s. 775.083.

(8) This section does not apply to the state lottery operated pursuant to chapter 24.

History.--s. 1, ch. 84-181; ss. 1, 2, ch. 88-115; s. 216, ch. 91-224; s. 1, ch. 96-253; s. 1825, ch. 97-102; s. 1, ch. 97-108."

This is for businesses or private entities:

849.094 Game promotion in connection with sale of consumer products or services.--

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Game promotion" means, but is not limited to, a contest, game of chance, or gift enterprise, conducted within or throughout the state and other states in connection with the sale of consumer products or services, and in which the elements of chance and prize are present. However, "game promotion" shall not be construed to apply to bingo games conducted pursuant to s. 849.0931.

(b) "Operator" means any person, firm, corporation, or association or agent or employee thereof who promotes, operates, or conducts a game promotion, except any charitable nonprofit organization.

(2) It is unlawful for any operator:

(a) To design, engage in, promote, or conduct such a game promotion, in connection with the promotion or sale of consumer products or services, wherein the winner may be predetermined or the game may be manipulated or rigged so as to:

1. Allocate a winning game or any portion thereof to certain lessees, agents, or franchises; or

2. Allocate a winning game or part thereof to a particular period of the game promotion or to a particular geographic area;

(b) Arbitrarily to remove, disqualify, disallow, or reject any entry;

(c) To fail to award prizes offered;

(d) To print, publish, or circulate literature or advertising material used in connection with such game promotions which is false, deceptive, or misleading; or

(e) To require an entry fee, payment, or proof of purchase as a condition of entering a game promotion.

(3) The operator of a game promotion in which the total announced value of the prizes offered is greater than $5,000 shall file with the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services a copy of the rules and regulations of the game promotion and a list of all prizes and prize categories offered at least 7 days before the commencement of the game promotion. Such rules and regulations may not thereafter be changed, modified, or altered. The operator of a game promotion shall conspicuously post the rules and regulations of such game promotion in each and every retail outlet or place where such game promotion may be played or participated in by the public and shall also publish the rules and regulations in all advertising copy used in connection therewith. However, such advertising copy need only include the material terms of the rules and regulations if the advertising copy includes a website address, a toll-free telephone number, or a mailing address where the full rules and regulations may be viewed, heard, or obtained for the full duration of the game promotion. Such disclosures must be legible. Radio and television announcements may indicate that the rules and regulations are available at retail outlets or from the operator of the promotion. A nonrefundable filing fee of $100 shall accompany each filing and shall be used to pay the costs incurred in administering and enforcing the provisions of this section.

(4)(a) Every operator of such a game promotion in which the total announced value of the prizes offered is greater than $5,000 shall establish a trust account, in a national or state-chartered financial institution, with a balance sufficient to pay or purchase the total value of all prizes offered. On a form supplied by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, an official of the financial institution holding the trust account shall set forth the dollar amount of the trust account, the identity of the entity or individual establishing the trust account, and the name of the game promotion for which the trust account has been established. Such form shall be filed with the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services at least 7 days in advance of the commencement of the game promotion. In lieu of establishing such trust account, the operator may obtain a surety bond in an amount equivalent to the total value of all prizes offered; and such bond shall be filed with the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services at least 7 days in advance of the commencement of the game promotion.

1. The moneys held in the trust account may be withdrawn in order to pay the prizes offered only upon certification to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services of the name of the winner or winners and the amount of the prize or prizes and the value thereof.

2. If the operator of a game promotion has obtained a surety bond in lieu of establishing a trust account, the amount of the surety bond shall equal at all times the total amount of the prizes offered.

(b) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services may waive the provisions of this subsection for any operator who has conducted game promotions in the state for not less than 5 consecutive years and who has not had any civil, criminal, or administrative action instituted against him or her by the state or an agency of the state for violation of this section within that 5-year period. Such waiver may be revoked upon the commission of a violation of this section by such operator, as determined by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.

(5) Every operator of a game promotion in which the total announced value of the prizes offered is greater than $5,000 shall provide the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services with a certified list of the names and addresses of all persons, whether from this state or from another state, who have won prizes which have a value of more than $25, the value of such prizes, and the dates when the prizes were won within 60 days after such winners have been finally determined. The operator shall provide a copy of the list of winners, without charge, to any person who requests it. In lieu of the foregoing, the operator of a game promotion may, at his or her option, publish the same information about the winners in a Florida newspaper of general circulation within 60 days after such winners have been determined and shall provide to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services a certified copy of the publication containing the information about the winners. The operator of a game promotion is not required to notify a winner by mail or by telephone when the winner is already in possession of a game card from which the winner can determine that he or she has won a designated prize. All winning entries shall be held by the operator for a period of 90 days after the close or completion of the game.

(6) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall keep the certified list of winners for a period of at least 6 months after receipt of the certified list. The department thereafter may dispose of all records and lists.

(7) No operator shall force, directly or indirectly, a lessee, agent, or franchise dealer to purchase or participate in any game promotion. For the purpose of this section, coercion or force shall be presumed in these circumstances in which a course of business extending over a period of 1 year or longer is materially changed coincident with a failure or refusal of a lessee, agent, or franchise dealer to participate in such game promotions. Such force or coercion shall further be presumed when an operator advertises generally that game promotions are available at its lessee dealers or agent dealers.

(8)(a) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall have the power to promulgate such rules and regulations respecting the operation of game promotions as it may deem advisable.

(b) Whenever the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services or the Department of Legal Affairs has reason to believe that a game promotion is being operated in violation of this section, it may bring an action in the circuit court of any judicial circuit in which the game promotion is being operated in the name and on behalf of the people of the state against any operator thereof to enjoin the continued operation of such game promotion anywhere within the state.

(9)(a) Any person, firm, or corporation, or association or agent or employee thereof, who engages in any acts or practices stated in this section to be unlawful, or who violates any of the rules and regulations made pursuant to this section, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(b) Any person, firm, corporation, association, agent, or employee who violates any provision of this section or any of the rules and regulations made pursuant to this section shall be liable for a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 for each such violation, which shall accrue to the state and may be recovered in a civil action brought by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services or the Department of Legal Affairs.

(10) This section does not apply to actions or transactions regulated by the Department of Business and Professional Regulation or to the activities of nonprofit organizations or to any other organization engaged in any enterprise other than the sale of consumer products or services. Subsections (3), (4), (5), (6), and (7) and paragraph (8)(a) and any of the rules made pursuant thereto do not apply.

Either way, private entity or 501 charity, they have broken the laws in several areas just by requiring money for tickets and by the lack of info on the tickets.

 

[RR0004]

Reef...ITA. I read on another site that people felt duped by the raffle. They spoke of filing complaints...wonder if they ever did.